And that... ladies and gentleman is why we need a trade if we wanna be elite

[MIXUM]

Starting Blake and Batum will get ya wins vs the knicks, wizards, kings, twolves, etc. It won't get you close to wins vs the lakers, celtics, cavs etc. I know its hard to accept but if this team wants to beta the big boys or even be in the game...they cant have blake and batum start. I dont even know if aldridge could ever guard kg on his best day.


Seriously though, unless we upgrade PG position, we arent getting past the first round. Playoffs will be a nice goal this year but if we wanna get better, PG is a must upgrade. Im hoping Webster locks down teh SF spot but who knows with him. Blake just isnt big enough or fast enough to deal with guys like rondo, parker, billups, etc. those guys will kill him and its not close. We also need more scoring from whoever our SF is. Batum just cant give us that right now. Outlaw is a bench guy so its eitehr webster or make a trade for a legit scoring three. This would have helped soooooo much during teh cltics game since roy and aldridge were off. Thats where a vet SF could have been huge in this type of game. Webster i doubt will ever be this for us so we do need a PG and Sf if we wanna become elite. This showed a lot about where we stand tonight.

 

[maxiep]

Bayless and Sergio will improve. So will Webster and Batum. Let the cake bake.

 

[BlazersBlood]

Unless we can land Lebron or Kobe, there isn't another trade that would make us on the same level as the Celtics/Lakers right now. They are the elite teams. We are the 2nd youngest team in the league. We have 3 rookies getting significant playing time. We are deep. We were a .500 club last year and we are in the process of taking that next step. You don't go from good to great in one night. We've got a great foundation and we could use a little tweaking at a few spots, but if you think we can get an elite PG or SF by trading Frye, Raef, Outlaw, Sergio, and draft picks you are dreaming.

 

[MIXUM]

nah...we def could get a major upgrade if we traded lafrentz and picks or outlaw.

honestlyu...we would have to beg someone to take frye

 

[BrianFromWA]

KG pi$$ed in KP's cake tonight. And no one did a thing.

I can't speak intelligently about this...I'm pretty disgusted.

 

[MIXUM]

shameful....about as miserable of an effort ive seen.

on national f'in TV to make matters worst. At least bo outlaw got garbage points.

 

[GMJ]

nah...we def could get a major upgrade if we traded lafrentz and picks or outlaw.

honestlyu...we would have to beg someone to take frye

You're not going to get an elite player with a project SF, an expiring contract, and a first rounder. You've got to give quality to get quality. Serious talk would start with Lamarcus.

 

[MIXUM]

lol are you kidding? have u seen nba trades of late? what the hell did the lakers give to get gasol? what did the clippers give to get camby? NOTHING!

if anyone could get a legit player to help us..KP can.

 

[GMJ]

lol are you kidding? have u seen nba trades of late? what the hell did the lakers give to get gasol? what did the clippers give to get camby? NOTHING!

if anyone could get a legit player to help us..KP can.

The Lakers trade was so horribly one-sided that it had the entire league up in arms, it's the exception to the rule and it's not happening again. The Clippers gave up a TE, but I'll be damned if you can find another team in the same position that the Nuggets were in; that was another one-time deal.

The ramblings of a fan who wants to deal their crap for gold is just another instance of a delusional fan who knows nothing about the league and will be unhappy for a pretty long time.

Besides the Lakers (for reasons explained above), the best that a team can do under this CBA is a trio of 3 top-flight players. Right now I'd say that the Blazers have Roy, LMA, Oden that are the franchise guys and have to lead the other 12 men on the roster. If that's really not working you can retool your 2nd tier (Blake, Rudy, Batum, etc) or include one of the 3 in a trade to consolidate and upgrade at that position.

Here's something that I usually say to the dumb Nets fans who keep trying to propose one-sided deals. Lets say you had the incoming guys, would you trade then?

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

 

[BrianFromWA]

Repost: Apologies to all of you sick of me posting this every week or so...

1) Marcus Camby to exchage a 2010 2nd round pick.
2) The aforementioned Gasol trade. Some give it cred b/c "Marc Gasol is very good"? He's 12/7 in 30 minutes. That's ok, but it's not "very good". So an OK center, a 3rd string PG/SG, 12M expiring and two late, late first rounders is the going price for an All-Star PF/C in his prime 6 weeks before the trade deadline?
3) Marion and Banks for Shaq?
4) Kurt Thomas AND two first round picks for a 2nd round pick.
5) Beno Udrih for a 2nd rounder.
6) Bibby for 2 backup PGs, a backup PF/C, Expiring contract and a 2nd.
7) Steve Novak to exchange 2011 2nds.
8) Zach for Tim Thomas and Cat Mobley's Heart Problem. Zach also is making 14-16M, playing the best ball he has in a while, been smarter, kept his nose clean, and was shipped b/c someone wants to try really hard for LeBron. You think NJ won't?

And the NJ Special... R-Jeff for Yi and Simmons. I would submit (and not iron-clad) that R-Jeff has MUCH more value than Carter, and it ended up being Yi and Simmons. That's it.

Those are just over the last 18 months. Trades aren't just based on player talent. They just aren't. And GMs around the league have adjusted their scales.

The position the Nuggs were in? You mean over the Luxury Tax? Or over where their owner wants to spend? Well then, I guess one-time deals are available from PHX and DAL, to name two that qualify under that. Add MIL if you want.

 

[GMJ]

Tell you what, we can go back and forth like this or we can start giving trade ideas as to what 1) realistic and 2) would put the Blazers over the top.

Waddaya got?

 

[bigbailes]

Stop with the "we need a trade and we need it now nonsense". chill out. let this team come together and work through these times. you guys are so impatient it is comical. i think it's safe to say this team is playing a little over it's head and has progressed much quicker than anyone thought. that being said, there is no way we are winning a title this year. it has never been about winning it all this year. sure they could be hot in the playoffs but this is about setting up the foundation for years to come. and i can guarentee you they will not make a trade in some panic because we lost tonight.

and stop with the "we lost on national tv." i say, who the fuck cares? this isn't college where exposure means recruiting, this is the NBA. i don't care if someone in wisconsin watched us tonight and doesn't think highly of our team, because i still think highly of our team.

 

[Nate Dogg]

Blake just isnt big enough or fast enough to deal with guys like rondo, parker, billups, etc. those guys will kill him and its not close. We also need more scoring from whoever our SF is. Batum just cant give us that right now. Outlaw is a bench guy so its eitehr webster or make a trade for a legit scoring three. This would have helped soooooo much during teh cltics game since roy and aldridge were off. Thats where a vet SF could have been huge in this type of game. Webster i doubt will ever be this for us so we do need a PG and Sf if we wanna become elite. This showed a lot about where we stand tonight.

Blake left Denver because he had a vision on where this team was heading. He also liked Nate, his involvment with his players, and his work ethics. Blake wasn't like J.Jones demanding mid-salary collection because of his years in the league. Blake took a pay cut because his heart was telling him that this team was on the rise.
Batum has totally surpassed my expectations coming from France. Why do you think Nate keeps on starting him. Batum has good hustle, can block, and do things defensively.
Aldridge is getting his game on, getting more affective underneath the basket again. Sure, I still thinks he plays soft sometimes but his 15-20 footers are becoming more deadly and his FG% is going up again after he got over his many game slump.
All players have an off night. Roy has been pulling a lot of the teams weight the last few nights on this road trip. He can't always carry the load. Thats why its important that other guys step up. I won't be surprised if Portland is #1 or #2 in 3pt percentage by the end of the year.
Lets talk about our rebounding. Our rebounding has greatly improved over last years team. Oden, ROY, Batum, Aldridge and others are focusing on offensive and defensive rebounding. Isn't that a good thing? Why should we jump ship after one game because we lost by 15 pts.
I am happy with our team , its growing, maturing and gaining more experience. Remember I would rather have team chemistry than have star players shifted around to other teams when those teams are regressing.
Lets see, LA Clippers and Golden State have bigger names but their teams are suffering because they don't have depth like Portland does.

 

[BalancedMan]

Add to the list our trade of $$$$ for James Jones and Rudy Fernandez. Not a bad deal IMO.

 

[alex42083]

Unless Chris Paul or Deron Williams is walking through that door, what PG out there is available? It's fine and dandy to just sprout off to trade, trade, trade, but is there anyone REALISTIC that is available?
Billups would've been nice but he just got traded. We're not the only team looking for a good point guard to lead our team.

 

[#1_War_Poet_ForLife]

Repost: Apologies to all of you sick of me posting this every week or so...

1) Marcus Camby to exchage a 2010 2nd round pick.
2) The aforementioned Gasol trade. Some give it cred b/c "Marc Gasol is very good"? He's 12/7 in 30 minutes. That's ok, but it's not "very good". So an OK center, a 3rd string PG/SG, 12M expiring and two late, late first rounders is the going price for an All-Star PF/C in his prime 6 weeks before the trade deadline?
3) Marion and Banks for Shaq?
4) Kurt Thomas AND two first round picks for a 2nd round pick.
5) Beno Udrih for a 2nd rounder.
6) Bibby for 2 backup PGs, a backup PF/C, Expiring contract and a 2nd.
7) Steve Novak to exchange 2011 2nds.
8) Zach for Tim Thomas and Cat Mobley's Heart Problem. Zach also is making 14-16M, playing the best ball he has in a while, been smarter, kept his nose clean, and was shipped b/c someone wants to try really hard for LeBron. You think NJ won't?

And the NJ Special... R-Jeff for Yi and Simmons. I would submit (and not iron-clad) that R-Jeff has MUCH more value than Carter, and it ended up being Yi and Simmons. That's it.

1.) Yeah, the Clippers did get ripped off. Camby sucks
2.) He's a fucking rookie. People are climaxing over Rudy, even though Gasol has been better
3.) Lateral move to change playing style
4.) Superfrugal move. Had nothing to do with basketball
5.) He was getting 13 MPG on the Spurs. Diamond in the rough
6.) Bibby isn't the same player he was before. He wouldn't push you over the top.
7.) He's playing less than 10 MPG
8.) Yeah, Clippers got robbed again.
9.) You're kidding right? I wish you posted this first, it would have discredited your whole argument. RJ doesn't defend, fails at passing, his shooting is meh at best, and doesn't get anyone in seats. Vince does all of those things, and is a better scorer. People make a big shit about Vince's contract, but RJ's is much, much worse.


1.) Devin Harris, Ryan Anderson, Keyon Dooling, an unprotected first, a good post defender, and a good perimeter defender for J-Kidd and change.
2.) Kenyon Martin for 3 first round picks.
3.) Grant Hill for Ben Wallace

I really don't feel like going on.

 

[craigehlo]

Unless Chris Paul or Deron Williams is walking through that door, what PG out there is available?

Raymond Felton or Ramon Sessions would be nice paired with Roy IMHO. Both seem available as well.

 

[SpanishFly]

Unless we can land Lebron or Kobe, there isn't another trade that would make us on the same level as the Celtics/Lakers right now. They are the elite teams. We are the 2nd youngest team in the league. We have 3 rookies getting significant playing time. We are deep. We were a .500 club last year and we are in the process of taking that next step. You don't go from good to great in one night. We've got a great foundation and we could use a little tweaking at a few spots, but if you think we can get an elite PG or SF by trading Frye, Raef, Outlaw, Sergio, and draft picks you are dreaming.

Actually we could probably land either Gerald Wallace or Antwain Jamison for some combination of the guys you mentioned. We need someone besides Roy who can consistently go inside to score, both are good scorers and Wallace plays good D as well. We can let the cake bake, I have no problem with that, but I'd also have no problem going after G Wallace - Jamison is good but too old and has a big contract left. My 2 cents.

 

[Blazed]

Raymond Felton or Ramon Sessions would be nice paired with Roy IMHO. Both seem available as well.

They aren't enough of a improvement of what we have, imo. I'm still in Bayless corner hoping he will develop as the starter sooner than later.

 

[Nikolokolus]

More than indicating the need for a trade, last night's game proved a couple of things: 1) The Celtics are fucking unbelievably good, and play incredible team and man defense and 2) This team still has a lot of growing up to do, that doesn't mean we can or can't trade to make the team better, but the game certainly didn't mean anyone needs to be shipped off immediately.

Just try to wrap your brain around the notion that this team is not going to be in serious contention until we are getting consistently high production out of our number 1 and 2 overall picks (GO and LMA), they are still very young bigs and haven't yet scratched the surface of their full potential.

 

[oldguy]

Damn guys, they lost to the champs on their floor on national TV. Hardly the end of the world.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Overreact much?

The second youngest team in the league is 14-7 after injuries to two starters (Oden and Webster) and an absolutely HORRIBLE, road heavy schedule - and people are screaming for a trade.

I'm not opposed to a trade that makes the team better, but I am opposed to a trade that's kneejerk reaction to a tough road loss against the defending champions. Thankfully Kevin Pritchard his more patience, and more brains, than those demanding such a trade.

This is all part of the natural progression for a young team growing into eventual champions. Last season, the team learned how to defend their home court. They were 28 - 13 with wins over several top play-off teams (Lakers x 2, Hornets x 2, Pistons, Jazz x2, Mavericks x 2, etc.). But they struggled on the road and lost several road games to non play-off teams (Bobcats, Sonics x 2, Pacers, Kings x 2, etc.).

This year, in spite of, or perhaps because of, a very tough road schedule they have learned to beat the bottom to mid-level teams on the road, and even have road wins against a couple upper level teams (Piston and Magic). They're only big losses are road games against the two teams that went to the finals last season and have the two best records in the league this year. The next step to greatness is learning how to consistently beat those teams at home and compete with them, and give your chance to win, in their building.

It won't happen overnight, and those who expect to are delusional and completely unrealistic. But it will happen - with, or without a trade. A trade, the right trade, may make it happen sooner, but may cause you to mortgage part of your future. Did finally landing Jason Kidd give Dallas a better chance at winning a title? No, it just made them older and effectively closed their window of championship contention. Did landing Shaq help the Suns do better in the play-offs last season? No, they got bumped in the 1st round and are suddenly a very old, injury prone team. So, even landing a superstar may not put you over the top. KP has a plan and a vision. I'm, content to sit back and enjoy watching it unfold and watching the constant, steady growth of this special young team - even if it means having to endure an occasional double-digit road loss to the defending champs.

BNM

 

[Furball]

There are no point guards that are available that are better than what we have in Blake and Sergio.
The only guy that maybe available, is Jason Terry, but he is a shoot first type that is not the type Nate likes. Sad to say. Conley has potential, but he is at least two years away from being any good.

 

[drexlersdad]

1.) Yeah, the Clippers did get ripped off. Camby sucks
2.) He's a fucking rookie. People are climaxing over Rudy, even though Gasol has been better
3.) Lateral move to change playing style
4.) Superfrugal move. Had nothing to do with basketball
5.) He was getting 13 MPG on the Spurs. Diamond in the rough
6.) Bibby isn't the same player he was before. He wouldn't push you over the top.
7.) He's playing less than 10 MPG
8.) Yeah, Clippers got robbed again.
9.) You're kidding right? I wish you posted this first, it would have discredited your whole argument. RJ doesn't defend, fails at passing, his shooting is meh at best, and doesn't get anyone in seats. Vince does all of those things, and is a better scorer. People make a big shit about Vince's contract, but RJ's is much, much worse.


1.) Devin Harris, Ryan Anderson, Keyon Dooling, an unprotected first, a good post defender, and a good perimeter defender for J-Kidd and change.
2.) Kenyon Martin for 3 first round picks.
3.) Grant Hill for Ben Wallace

I really don't feel like going on.

i cant believe you forgot KVH! he was the key to that trade, bringing in so much experience, and is a true locker room leader. plus he shoots diamonds out of his dick.

 

[oldmangrouch]

It would be a mistake to make a knee-jerk trade after a bad road loss.

It would also be a mistake to pretend that just a little experience is all this team needs. As good as Roy is, he is still a level below Kobe/Lebron. Penknife is more likely to be the next Mutombo than the next Shaq. You can't surround these guys with 1 dimensional players (Sergio) or streak players (Blake) and expect to win a title.

 

[STOMP]

Stop with the "we need a trade and we need it now nonsense". chill out. let this team come together and work through these times. you guys are so impatient it is comical. i think it's safe to say this team is playing a little over it's head and has progressed much quicker than anyone thought. that being said, there is no way we are winning a title this year. it has never been about winning it all this year. sure they could be hot in the playoffs but this is about setting up the foundation for years to come. and i can guarentee you they will not make a trade in some panic because we lost tonight.

and stop with the "we lost on national tv." i say, who the fuck cares? this isn't college where exposure means recruiting, this is the NBA. i don't care if someone in wisconsin watched us tonight and doesn't think highly of our team, because i still think highly of our team.

exactly. I expect they'll win well over 50 games this year, but I also expect some bumps in the road. Most of all I expect some here to regularly during the season.

Thankfully it doesn't seem like KP is likeminded. If he makes a move during this year it will probably be a very lopsided one involving Raef's expiring (and insured) huge contract. Around the trade deadline, some team(s) will see the writing on the wall for their season and decide to firesale their assets and retool. Attendance will probably be suffering for these lessor teams (especially in this economy) and Raef's deal would immediately lower operating costs by millions. KP's just waiting for the screws to tighten.

STOMP

 

[shamelessblazer]

I'm so sick of every basket on the team coming the hard way (or the long way) for us. We need a real PG on the floor to start, or if we're going to put up with this lack of passing than more scoring with Roy/Rudy. Blake is a joke, and last night shows why. He doesn't hit us where we have favorable matchups, he's afraid to make a skilled pass, and he doesn't penetrate himself. His biggest asset is not taking risks, that's also his biggest weakness though.

STEVE NASH.

I'd give up Bayless/Blake/Outlaw for him, and the suns aren't faring so well right now. And by the trade deadline Phoenix may too. I know we give up more potential and good players for a guy decining, BUT THE BENEFIT IS THAT FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS OUR GUYS FIGURE OUT HOW TO PLAY BASKETBALL.

 

[bluefrog]

Unless we can land Lebron or Kobe, there isn't another trade that would make us on the same level as the Celtics/Lakers right now.

repped

 

[bigbailes]

sorry but as long as phx is still firmly in the playoff chase they will not trade away nash. and what about nash's game makes you think he'd work well with nate/roy? the biggest problem is the lack of ball movement and that includes roy's game. i love brandon and can't wait to see where his ceiling is but damn, move the ball a little more, especially when the d is collapsing as he drives the lane.