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Stu Scott's pushing for an Emmy for this tonight. It's like he thinks he's Peter Jennings on 9/11 or something.
 
I'm in general dismissive of the Occupy movement, but imagine if these few thousand kids cared as much about changing their country and future for the better (regardless of their political bent) as they care about their college football coach...
 
Re: And the name of his book is "Touched"

Ed O said:
He reported it to his boss because the guy was retired at the time it was reported to him, right? Paterno presumably didn't manage the guy's office or his access or anything else related to his retirement.

In any case, I don't know that he had a moral responsibility to go to the police. The person who saw it probably did, and the person to whom Joe took the information to probably did, but Paterno was in a hearsay situation where (at least in the incident that I am talking about) he had no first-hand knowledge nor institutional responsibility.

Ed O.
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Are you fucking kidding me?! I can see "no legal responsibility" for Paterno having done the absolute bare minimum of passing it along to the AD (in reality not his boss, but his underling given Penn State's power structure), but for you to suggest he met the minimum standard of morality or decency is disturbing to say the least. The fact that Sandusky was "barred" from coming to the University with young boys after this incident, acknowledges that they suspected something very wrong was going on but it also strongly implies that if he was going to keep doing it, just keep it off of school property. I'm no lawyer, so I'll defer to your expertise, but that sounds an awful lot like an accessory to a class B felony?

Fuck any of these assholes who knew something but did nothing
 
Re: And the name of his book is "Touched"

Nikolokolus said:
Are you fucking kidding me?! I can see "no legal responsibility" for Paterno having done the absolute bare minimum of passing it along to the AD (in reality not his boss, but his underling given Penn State's power structure), but for you to suggest he met the minimum standard of morality or decency is disturbing to say the least. The fact that Sandusky was "barred" from coming to the University with young boys after this incident, acknowledges that they suspected something very wrong was going on but it also strongly implies that if he was going to keep doing it, just keep it off of school property. I'm no lawyer, so I'll defer to your expertise, but that sounds an awful lot like an accessory to a class B felony?

Fuck any of these assholes who knew something but did nothing
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+1.
 
BrianFromWA said:
I'm in general dismissive of the Occupy movement, but imagine if these few thousand kids cared as much about changing their country and future for the better (regardless of their political bent) as they care about their college football coach...
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Most of these fucking mouth-breathers should be drowned in a sack ... god forbid this many people with this little intelligence actually massed to try and change something meaningful.
 
man, listening to these students' interviews...a couple are well-reasoned, articulate, on both sides of the issue--but some of them are saying stupid, stupid things. Maybe it's a function of the emotion, fueled by a few beers here and there and a mob mentality prevailing, but it's hard to watch.
 
This story is really polarizing. More so in Pennsylvania.
 
SHOCKING PENN STATE RUMOR: Jerry Sandusky 'Pimped Out Young Boys To Rich Donors'

Sportswriter Mark Madden went on WEEI in Boston and reported a rumor that alleged child molester Jerry Sandusky would pimp out boys to rich donors.

"I hear a rumor that there will be a shocking development from the Second Miles Foundation ... That Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors."

Madden claims it's being investigated by "two prominent columnists."

We'd say this is ridiculous, and that you should take it with a grain of salt. But Madden actually wrote about Sandusky for the Beaver County Times six months ago — long before the scandal blindsided everyone else this week.

Madden also claimed Sandusky was forced out of Penn State in 1999.

"I think you'll find out that Jerry Sandusky was told he had to retire in exchange for a cover up."

Sandusky retired at 55 in 1999, a year after Pennsylvania police investigated (but did not prosecute) him for alleged molesting a boy.

Again, label this under "RUMOR." But Madden has been out in front of this story before, so stay tuned.


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Re: And the name of his book is "Touched"

Nikolokolus said:
Are you fucking kidding me?! I can see "no legal responsibility" for Paterno having done the absolute bare minimum of passing it along to the AD (in reality not his boss, but his underling given Penn State's power structure), but for you to suggest he met the minimum standard of morality or decency is disturbing to say the least. The fact that Sandusky was "barred" from coming to the University with young boys after this incident, acknowledges that they suspected something very wrong was going on but it also strongly implies that if he was going to keep doing it, just keep it off of school property.
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By whom was he barred from the University grounds? And was it for the incident that JoePa knew about?

Fuck any of these assholes who knew something but did nothing
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I don't know what Paterno knew, but it's simply inaccurate to say that he "did nothing".

Ed O.
 
Nikolokolus said:
The sickest part is the coverup by the grad assistant, Joe Paterno and the administration.

Furthermore if you catch a 50 year old man in a shower with a ten year old boy there are two (and only two) appropriate responses by the grad assistant 1. Immediate and violent intercession to stop the offender and protect the child. 2. Dragging the corpse of the offender to the police.
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You mean pieces of the corpse.
 
Re: And the name of his book is "Touched"

Ed O said:
By whom was he barred from the University grounds? And was it for the incident that JoePa knew about?



I don't know what Paterno knew, but it's simply inaccurate to say that he "did nothing".

Ed O.
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You sound like a lawyer.

Seems fair to say he was not too concerned with protecting children.
 
I've read/heard a couple of sources that stated that the police were told of the incident. Did this happen? There is a big difference between telling the police (even if it is campus police, which I think is the police in the town) and just telling some admin.

I'm sure more will come out/become clear throughout the day.
 
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Bob Dobalina said:
You sound like a lawyer.

Seems fair to say he was not too concerned with protecting children.
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I don't think that it's necessary to go to the police with everything you're told in order to prove that one is "concerned with protecting children". I'd say that we should all be most concerned about protecting those that we know first and foremost. I would trust a friend of several decades NOT to be a molester before I would assume that he is based on a tidbit of information that makes him look bad. Of course, there is a point where friendship must be discarded... but where that line is can be extremely fact-dependent. And we're lacking facts here.

I'm not saying JoePa knew nothing... I really don't know WHAT he knew. Without knowing what he knew, I think it's unfair to act like he's more in the wrong than the actual motherfucking scumbag who hurt the kids. (I also think that the graduate assistant had a responsibility to do more, if he was sure of what he saw and the university didn't go to the police. He saw the crime first-hand and had a moral responsibility to report what he saw and ensure that the wheels of justice were put into motion.)

Ed O.
 
porkchopexpress said:
I've read/heard a couple of sources that stated that the police were told of the incident. Did this happen? There is a big difference between telling the police (even if it is campus police, which I think is the police in the town) and just telling some admin.

I'm sure more will come out/become clear throughout the day.
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This was in the indictment:

Although Schultz oversaw the University Police as part of his position, he never reported the 2002 incident to the University Police or other police agency, never sought or reviewed a police report on the 1998 incident and never attempted to learn the identity of the child in the shower in 2002.
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Ed O said:
I don't think that it's necessary to go to the police with everything you're told in order to prove that one is "concerned with protecting children". I'd say that we should all be most concerned about protecting those that we know first and foremost. I would trust a friend of several decades NOT to be a molester before I would assume that he is based on a tidbit of information that makes him look bad. Of course, there is a point where friendship must be discarded... but where that line is can be extremely fact-dependent. And we're lacking facts here.

I'm not saying JoePa knew nothing... I really don't know WHAT he knew. Without knowing what he knew, I think it's unfair to act like he's more in the wrong than the actual motherfucking scumbag who hurt the kids. (I also think that the graduate assistant had a responsibility to do more, if he was sure of what he saw and the university didn't go to the police. He saw the crime first-hand and had a moral responsibility to report what he saw and ensure that the wheels of justice were put into motion.)

Ed O.
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He lost his job. I don't think anyone has acted like you suggest. Yet.
 
Uh, no one is acting like he's more in the wrong than Sandusky. But he is in the wrong. Almost every adult in the situation here is in the wrong. Just because Sandusky is in the gigantic realm of fucking wrongs of wrongs by himself in this scenario does not mean anger and outrage should just not be directed at the adults who saw or heard about these incidents. Pedophiles do not stop at one victim. They allowed Sandusky to continue to be on the campus, Paterno sent players to his charity still (that is from a former player of Paterno's who attended PSU after 2002), and again no one appears to have tried to find out who that little boy was.

We should all be most concerned about protecting victims, especially young children are violated in so many ways by pedophiles. See that is the problem - people trust their friends not to do wrong and thus do not take the proper channels on 'tidbits of information' because in their minds it is so far-fetched that they'd know and be friends with and trust a pedophile (rapist/murderer/etc) that they'd rather just ignore it or shove it into the back of their minds and convince themselves they 'did the most they could'.

No adult in this situation is worse or more at fault than Sandusky. But many, many adults here are at fault for worrying more about covering things up and protecting their own asses and living in denial and they could have prevented other young boys from being violated. This is a series of failures by so many adults that it is disgusting, and I feel no remorse for any of them losing their JOBS.
 
I think the biggest question on my mind today is WHAT THE FUCK IS MCQUEARY STILL DOING THERE? He saw the act happening, and simply walked away and let it happen. This piece of shit should have been gone long before JoPa
 
Re: And the name of his book is "Touched"

Bob Dobalina said:
He lost his job. I don't think anyone has acted like you suggest. Yet.
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"The sickest part is the coverup by the grad assistant, Joe Paterno and the administration."

That was from earlier in this thread and part of what I have been reacting to by posting here.

Ed O.
 
Mediocre Man said:
I think the biggest question on my mind today is WHAT THE FUCK IS MCQUEARY STILL DOING THERE? He saw the act happening, and simply walked away and let it happen. This piece of shit should have been gone long before JoPa
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I agree. I don't know about his legal responsibility at the time, but if he saw something like that... he had a moral obligation (IMO) to ensure the police were notified.

Ed O.
 
The Sebastian Express said:
We should all be most concerned about protecting victims, especially young children are violated in so many ways by pedophiles.
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I don't agree with this as a basic way of living life.

We should be concerned about protecting victims. Absolutely. But there are other aspects of life that I value more than that, and I think that society is better (even if terrible things occasionally happen) by not treating everyone, everywhere, like a victimizer and/or a victim.

Ed O.
 
The latest.

"The other thing I think that may eventually become uncovered, and I talked about this in my original article back in April, is that I think they'll find out that Jerry Sandusky was told that he had to retire in exchange for a cover-up," Madden said. "If you look at the timeline, that makes perfect sense, doesn't it?


"My opinion is when Sandusky quit, everybody knew -- not just at Penn State," Madden added. "I think it was a very poorly kept secret about college football in general, and that is why he never coached in college football again and retired at the relatively young age of 55. [That's] young for a coach, certainly."
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http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-s...ung-boys-to-rich-donors-says-mark-madden.html


DA Who Never Charged Sandusky Has Been Missing Since 2005


It is strange that Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar never prosecuted Jerry Sandusky on child-rape charges 13 years ago, some speculate, because Gricar was known for being fiercely independent and hard on crime.


But it is even stranger that we cannot ask Gricar why Sandusky was not put behind bars because the tough-as-nails district attorney disappeared in 2005. And though he was declared dead July of this year, his body has never been found.


"People ask why Ray did not prosecute, and I have no problem saying, because he clearly felt he didn't have a case for a 'successful' prosecution," Tony Gricar, Ray Gricar’s nephew , told The Patriot-News.
"... One thing I can say is that Ray was beholden to no one, was not a politician."


This district attorney who had “a bitter taste in his mouth for the [Penn State] program, and its coach,” according to his nephew, and yet never prosecuted Sandusky, disappeared on April 15, 2005 after telling his girlfriend that he was going on a drive.
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http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news...ky-Has-Been-Missing-Since-2005-133615093.html
 
Ed O said:
I don't agree with this as a basic way of living life.

We should be concerned about protecting victims. Absolutely. But there are other aspects of life that I value more than that, and I think that society is better (even if terrible things occasionally happen) by not treating everyone, everywhere, like a victimizer and/or a victim.

Ed O.
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If someone witnesses the rape of child and does nothing that's an entirely different animal than having a mere suspicion or hearing rumors of somebody victimizing a child.

McQuery testified that he witnessed a crime and did not intervene, he walked away and told his father and then his boss. In my mind that makes him a coward at the least and an accessory to a crime at the worst. So when Paterno heard McQuery's account and at least the words "Sandusky," "shower and "boy" were uttered to him by a trusted associate and he didn't immediately notify the police that may not make him legally responsible, but I find it incredible that he didn't think he had a moral obligation to protect a child that was very likely assaulted in his office by a former colleague.

Maybe I'm interpreting your words wrong, but I get the impression that you are saying you'd protect a friend from charges of sexual assault if given the choice between that and turning them to protect a child that you don't know. I'm probably weird for feeling so strongly, having grown up in a household where my father was a rampant abuser (physically and verbally, but not sexually) and knowing the damage it caused (in particular to my sister) because people covered for him, but I find your point of view sickening, frankly.
 
I don't know how someone doesn't, after seeing that shower scene, yell something like "WTF?!?! Stop that, you sick *&(> !" and call 9-1-1 immediately.
 
BrianFromWA said:
I don't know how someone doesn't, after seeing that shower scene, yell something like "WTF?!?! Stop that, you sick *&(> !" and call 9-1-1 immediately.
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After they first beat the living shit out of Sandusky.
 
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