Andre was the cause of no run run??

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Also I would like to add that Nate actually stresses D more than anything. We may not be good at it, but he made damn sure we tried our hardest. That energy also may slow a aged player like Miller. On Denver, it's about outscoring the opponent more than just stopping them from scoring. More energy is used on scoring than playing D
 
I get what Ed's saying. You do the same thing 10 times, it's hardly surprising to be expected to do it again for the 11th.

But there's also the saying that you play like you practice. Since, well, forever, Nate has started the season thinking he had Brandon Roy at SG, so the offense has to run in a way that fits Roy's style.

When Roy broke down last year midseason, the team was scrambling to find an identity. Sure, Andre was the driver of the offense, but Aldridge and Batum had never experienced playing uptempo (or even moderate tempo) NBA basketball. I'm guessing Nate was too busy keeping the ship afloat to seriously consider changing the playing style.

As for why Nate never ran in Seattle, I always used to think it was because he just didn't run. But remember, it was his first coaching job. You fuck that up and you don't get another one. Maybe his conservative approach reflected what was best for Nate's own career path--don't make waives, let your star carry you, don't rely overmuch on PG's like Luke Ridnour to make fast break decisions. One year he had a pretty reliable Brent Barry to run the offense and they were 15th in pace. Barry left, Ridnour got back the starting job, and the pace dropped to 27th again.

*shrug* Maybe people, including coaches, can change. Nate's been part of the National team. He saw what a little razzle-dazzle can do to solidify a squad (and maybe help a trio of superstars bond). He's got job security. And maybe even he has been wondering a little what it'd be like to coach a moderate-tempo team for once. It's got to get old being know for the most plodding offense in the league, even for a guy like Nate.

Maybe Nate sees this season as a clean slate. If he's ever going to have another team that's 15th instead of 30th in pace, this is the time to do it.
 
Nate is an Ass Clown. It's really that simple.


Even in our first preseason game, we ran like hell in the first and blew them out. Then we slowed it down for some reason.

....yet we still won by 20.

Running is good at certain times.

When its deep in the 2nd half and your blowing out your opponent by 20+ you want to burn some shot clock.
 
Nate's Sonics were 14th in pace factor for the 2003-2004 regular season.

Saying Nate has never coached a faster paced team is factually wrong. It's right there in front of you.
 
I have no idea how Nate won 52 games with a starting unit of

Ridnour
Allen
Lewis
Reggie Evans
Jerome James

He even won a playoff series

Fucking wow
 
Ray Ray and Lewis were on fire (Rashard got his max contract based off of that year) and Ridnour and James played the series of their lives. It was great to watch. The term "contract year" summarized them well...

Jerome James 5/30M
Rashard 7/121M
Ridnour- picked up his 2.4M option, then extended him 3/19M.
Ray Allen - 5/85M
Antonio Daniels - 4/22M

Nate - 5/30M
 
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Ray Ray and Lewis were on fire (Rashard got his max contract based off of that year) and Ridnour and James played the series of their lives. It was great to watch. The term "contract year" summarized them well...

Jerome James 5/30M
Rashard 7/121M
Ridnour- picked up his 2.4M option, then extended him 3/19M.
Ray Allen - 5/85M
Antonio Daniels - 4/22M

Nate - 5/30M

He got similar career years out of Steve Blake and Travis Outlaw.

If players under Nate have years where they play far above and beyond their career norms, isn't that an indicator Nate is a good coach?

I think it is pretty damn impressive what he did with that Sonics squad.
 
....yet we still won by 20.

Running is good at certain times.

When its deep in the 2nd half and your blowing out your opponent by 20+ you want to burn some shot clock.

Chip Kelly likes to do this.
 
Nate's Sonics were 14th in pace factor for the 2003-2004 regular season.

Saying Nate has never coached a faster paced team is factually wrong. It's right there in front of you.

Who said his teams never (not even once) have failed to be slow? It looks like you're arguing against a straw man to me.

Ed O.
 
....yet we still won by 20.

Running is good at certain times.

When its deep in the 2nd half and your blowing out your opponent by 20+ you want to burn some shot clock.


I agree somewhat, but we let them back in when we slowed it down.
 
Nate's Sonics were 14th in pace factor for the 2003-2004 regular season.

Saying Nate has never coached a faster paced team is factually wrong. It's right there in front of you.

You are right. 1 year out of 11 he was in the middle of the pack.

Luke Babbitt scored in double figures 1 game as well.

I am also not sure who you are meaning this for. It sounds like you are just trying to be a bully. Luckily for you, you are pro everything Blazers, unlike Mixum and Oden is God
 
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I agree somewhat, but we let them back in when we slowed it down.

No we didn't we won by 20.

Basketball is a game of ebbs and flows. Runs are inevitable.

Going fast break speeds up the amount of possessions in a game. When up by a lot why give opponents more possessions and a chance to get hot?
 
Ray Ray and Lewis were on fire (Rashard got his max contract based off of that year) and Ridnour and James played the series of their lives. It was great to watch. The term "contract year" summarized them well...

Jerome James 5/30M
Rashard 7/121M
Ridnour- picked up his 2.4M option, then extended him 3/19M.
Ray Allen - 5/85M
Antonio Daniels - 4/22M

Nate - 5/30M

You just called Nate a good coach, and you don't even realize it. He also got the most out of Blake, Outlaw, and other failures once they left PDX.
 
You are right. 1 year out of 11 he was in the middle of the pack.

Luke Babbitt scored in double figures 1 game as well.

I am also not sure who you are meaning this for. It sounds like you are just trying to be a bully. Luckily for you, you are pro everything Blazers, unlike Mixum and Oden is God

This guy has just fucking snapped this season.
 
Ray Allen was near MVP caliber that season. Also Ray led a sorta mutinty of the players against Nates slowball.
 
Luckily for you, you are pro everything Blazers, unlike Mixum and Oden is God

Dude, let it go. They weren't banned for being negative. They were banned for repeatedly and deliberately baiting other posters, which is clearly against the forum guidelines. The forum is better without them. They were both master baiters.

BNM
 
Ray Allen was near MVP caliber that season. Also Ray led a sorta mutinty of the players against Nates slowball.

That's important. When a player or team does well under McMillan it's because they're not doing things his way. The current team plays fast only temporarily, until he gets control over it. It will get slower.
 
Nate is an Ass Clown. It's really that simple.


Even in our first preseason game, we ran like hell in the first and blew them out. Then we slowed it down for some reason.

hard to run when you can't rebound and you have way fewer steals then the previous game
 
You just called Nate a good coach, and you don't even realize it. He also got the most out of Blake, Outlaw, and other failures once they left PDX.

I'm pretty sure what I said was "it was fun to watch" and "Ridnour and James played the series of their lives." If you want me to say that Nate was a good coach in one "fun to watch" series and got the players to buy into an uptempo team in a contract year, I will stipulate.

Now do you get to say that the slow-it-down approach stifled those same players through the first 3 years of his reign there? Or that his still-can't-be-close-to-justified attempt to keep Blake at the starting PG by moving Roy to the 3 and Miller to the 2 was one of the stupider things any coach (and yes, I'm including Rambis and Del Negro in this) has done in the last 5 years? Or playing Sergio at the 2 so he could have Jack as the PG? Or...

I don't think you can dig up a spot on the board where I've said that Nate is not a great motivator. You'll have to dig harder for "evidence" that he's a good coach, though.
 
You have a problem with master baiting?

It's against the forum guidelines and will get you banned. If you disagree with the policy, you should ask Denny for a clarification of his policy on master baiting.

BNM

P.S. I also have also heard it will cause hair to grow on your palms.
 

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