I thought Nate wanted to run more?

[PapaG]

Part of me hopes the team implodes this season, so people will see that Nate is NOT the reason this team has been winning.

Wow.

Also, if the team implodes, it will be Andre Miller's fault, not Nate's.

 

[PapaG]

Yeah, Nate sucks! I hate Nate!

I want the team to lose so everyone will know Nate sucks!

Repped.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Nate is wonderful at motivation, but not that skilled in the "in-game" aspects of the game.

Sorry, I don't have a link, but wasn't there an article published last season the showed the Blazers led the league in scoring coming out of time outs? To me, that says Nate does a good job with "in-game" aspects of the game.

I don't care if we run or walk - as long as we win.

BTW, isn't Phoenix supposed to be a running team? The Blazers out scored them 15-6 on fast break points in our final preseason game (and 19-14 the first time we played them). We also outscored Denver 13-5 on fast break points and the Kings 15-2 in the first preseason game. We did get outrun by Utah and the Clippers, and we definitely run more at home than on the road - that could also be a personel issue as we have had several key players sit out at various times during the preseason. In any case, I think we are running more - at least during preseason.

I don't want this team to run just to appease the Nate-Haters. I'd rather win 89-86 than lose 140-136. I think the team will start to run more as the players get comfortable with each other. I'd like to see them run when the opportunity presents itself - anytime the numbers are in your favor, you should push the ball. But, I don't want to see a D'Antoni or Paul Westhead SSOL type offense. That may be fun to watch during the regular season, but it's ill suited to success in the post season.

So, run when the opportunity presents itself, grind it out in the half-court when it doesn't. Establishing a dominant half-court offense is much more important for post season success than leading the league in fast break points during the regular season.

BNM

 

[andalusian]

Sorry, I don't have a link, but wasn't there an article published last season the showed the Blazers led the league in scoring coming out of time outs? To me, that says Nate does a good job with "in-game" aspects of the game.

This is not the only source.

Look at this:

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/po...ark-cuban-s-stats-expert-isn-t-bashful-part-3

In Portland, the lineup they played the most was pretty good. LaMarcus Aldridge, Nicolas Batum, Steve Blake, Joel Przybilla and Brandon Roy was 14 points better than average. Put in Greg Oden for Przybilla ... it's one point worse than average.

For the Blazers, there are some great lineups I see to close games. Brandon Roy, LaMarcus Aldridge, Rudy Fernandez, Joel Przybilla and Steve Blake. They played 167 minutes and were 32 points better than average.

That's the starting lineup with Rudy in place of Batum.
Right, so it's 17 points better with that one substitiution.

In other words - Nate seems to know what he is doing, despite the constant whining that he has no clue...

 

[MARIS61]

Why? He's met/exceeded expectations the last few years.

Yours maybe, not mine.

As it stands, I don't see any reason to expect anything different this coming season.

Exactly. Boring snailball, and in the playoffs even more boring snailball and a 1st round exit.

BORING.

 

[MARIS61]

Sounds like Miller wants a more uptempo style, if so he needs to go into Nate's office and tell him so. And maybe take some other players with him who also want to run.

Sergio has been there, done that.

 

[MARIS61]

Call me ignorant, but if Nate is that bad, then why has he been an ast. on the USA team the past number of years??

Why has Mo WeakCheeks coached 2 NBA teams?

 

[PapaG]

Sounds like Miller wants a more uptempo style, if so he needs to go into Nate's office and tell him so. And maybe take some other players with him who also want to run.

Why do that when he can complain (again) in the media?

 

[MARIS61]

So, just because he appears to be too controlling to you, you want to write him off as a coaching failure?

Not a failure at all.

Just not someone I want coaching my team.

He's a censor of creativity, and I abhor censorship.

He limits the players' opportunities to entertain me, which is really the only reason they exist.

 

[Natebishop3]

Whatever, crucify me if you wish. If it takes one shitty season to get us a coach that will take us to the promised land, so be it.

With that said, I only said a part of me. I'm not actively rooting against our team. I'm not hoping we lose every game. I would take a small amount of satisfaction if some of the blind Nate lovers ate some crow. That's all.

And as some posters like to point to players' playoff records... what is Nate's playoff record as a coach? How many series has he won as a coach? Regular season records are all well and good, but if this team can't get out of the first round, it means squat.

 

[illmatic99]

If it takes one shitty season to get us a coach that will take us to the promised land.....

Who is available?

 

[Natebishop3]

Who is available?

Why don't we revisit that question if Nate is fired... because there's no point in speculating who should/could replace him at this juncture.

 

[RoyIsClutch07]

Why don't we revisit that question if Nate is fired... because there's no point in speculating who should/could replace him at this juncture.

What could hamper a potential coaching change in the future is the relationship Roy and coach have.

 

[rocketeer]

Why don't we revisit that question if Nate is fired... because there's no point in speculating who should/could replace him at this juncture.

that's not true. if you're going to fire the guy, there better be an improvement out there to hire or it's just a step backwards.

 

[RoyIsClutch07]

that's not true. if you're going to fire the guy, there better be an improvement out there to hire or it's just a step backwards.

The improvement might be working for the organization.

 

[Natebishop3]

that's not true. if you're going to fire the guy, there better be an improvement out there to hire or it's just a step backwards.

Except I said at the end of the season. Do you already know who is going to be available to coach at the end of the season? If you do, I would love to get some lotto numbers from you.

 

[rocketeer]

Except I said at the end of the season.

no, you never said that.

 

[MickZagger]

Whatever, crucify me if you wish. If it takes one shitty season to get us a coach that will take us to the promised land, so be it.

With that said, I only said a part of me. I'm not actively rooting against our team. I'm not hoping we lose every game. I would take a small amount of satisfaction if some of the blind Nate lovers ate some crow. That's all.

And as some posters like to point to players' playoff records... what is Nate's playoff record as a coach? How many series has he won as a coach? Regular season records are all well and good, but if this team can't get out of the first round, it means squat.

I'd say there's more blind Nate haters, than blind Nate lovers. I don't think he's the greatest coach out there, in fact I think he's a bit stubborn, but this is a young team that plays mature and experienced and he's done as well as expected so far. Another 1st round and out in the playoffs and this is a valid topic.

 

[RoyIsClutch07]

I'd say there's more blind Nate haters, than blind Nate lovers. I don't think he's the greatest coach out there, in fact I think he's a bit stubborn, but this is a young team that plays mature and experienced and he's done as well as expected so far. Another 1st round and out in the playoffs and this is a valid topic.

If he is ever replaced, I could see it being due to philosophical differences between he and KP/Paul rather than it being due to poor results.

 

[Natebishop3]

Whatever, crucify me if you wish. If it takes one shitty season to get us a coach that will take us to the promised land, so be it.

With that said, I only said a part of me. I'm not actively rooting against our team. I'm not hoping we lose every game. I would take a small amount of satisfaction if some of the blind Nate lovers ate some crow. That's all.

And as some posters like to point to players' playoff records... what is Nate's playoff record as a coach? How many series has he won as a coach? Regular season records are all well and good, but if this team can't get out of the first round, it means squat.

no, you never said that.

Call me crazy, but I'm thinking "one shitty season" would equal 82 games. Maybe that's just me. How many games do you define as a season?

 

[PapaG]

Whatever, crucify me if you wish. If it takes one shitty season to get us a coach that will take us to the promised land, so be it.

With that said, I only said a part of me. I'm not actively rooting against our team. I'm not hoping we lose every game. I would take a small amount of satisfaction if some of the blind Nate lovers ate some crow. That's all.

And as some posters like to point to players' playoff records... what is Nate's playoff record as a coach? How many series has he won as a coach? Regular season records are all well and good, but if this team can't get out of the first round, it means squat.

Hello Meltdown. A part of you wants the Blazers to implode so you can say "I told you so" on the internet. That's not healthy, and that's not being a true fan.

P.S.

You are being ridiculous. Who are the "Nate lovers"? Where are the threads dedicated to Nate McMillan?

 

[PapaG]

I'd say there's more blind Nate haters, than blind Nate lovers. I don't think he's the greatest coach out there, in fact I think he's a bit stubborn, but this is a young team that plays mature and experienced and he's done as well as expected so far. Another 1st round and out in the playoffs and this is a valid topic.

Nate Bishop leads that NateHate brigade. Part of him wants the Blazers to implode just so he can say "I told you so" to the naysayers (errr, Blazer fans who want success and realize McMillan coached the team to 54 wins).

Really, I'm the weirdo, though. Give Nate another press credential!

 

[KingSpeed]

Part of me hopes the team implodes this season, so people will see that Nate is NOT the reason this team has been winning.

Sacrilege! Blasphemy!! If we implode, it won't be one man's fault. Root for the Blazers to win, dude!

 

[KingSpeed]

Whatever, crucify me if you wish. If it takes one shitty season to get us a coach that will take us to the promised land, so be it.

With that said, I only said a part of me. I'm not actively rooting against our team. I'm not hoping we lose every game. I would take a small amount of satisfaction if some of the blind Nate lovers ate some crow. That's all.
.

I'm confused as to how that would actually happen. How would a bad season PROVE that Nate had done a bad job? There are other factors that contribute to losing. If you think a bad season will PROVE that Nate is a bad coach, then by that logic, a good season will prove that Nate is a GOOD coach. Your logic doesn't work.

 

[KingSpeed]

Man, I hope we win the championship this year so that YOU can eat crow. Fuckin ridiculous attitude.

 

[Natebishop3]

Man, I hope we win the championship this year so that YOU can eat crow. Fuckin ridiculous attitude.

Wow. Talk about an overreaction. You'd think I posted something to the effect of

"I'm not rooting for the team anymore. I want them to fail. I want them to lose. I will not be happy until they lose all 82 games."

I just think it's funny that some people exclusively point to our record over the last three years as THE reason why nate is a good coach.

"Nate is a bad coach."

"No he isn't, look at this record over the last three years. If he was a bad coach, why would the team be improving?"

Tell me that's not how every single Nate coaching thread goes.

So I'm sorry, but yes, I would take some satisfaction, if we have a bad year, in the fact that some fans could not resort to our record as the prime reason for him being a good coach.

Sue me.

I'm just a little bitter towards Nate right now because he's starting Blake. I'll get over it.

 

[SnakeOiler]

Wow. Talk about an overreaction. You'd think I posted something to the effect of

"I'm not rooting for the team anymore. I want them to fail. I want them to lose. I will not be happy until they lose all 82 games."

I just think it's funny that some people exclusively point to our record over the last three years as THE reason why nate is a good coach.

"Nate is a bad coach."

"No he isn't, look at this record over the last three years. If he was a bad coach, why would the team be improving?"

Tell me that's not how every single Nate coaching thread goes.

So I'm sorry, but yes, I would take some satisfaction, if we have a bad year, in the fact that some fans could not resort to our record as the prime reason for him being a good coach.

Sue me.

I'm just a little bitter towards Nate right now because he's starting Blake. I'll get over it.

I don't think it's an over reaction. You said you want the team to fail for whatever reason. That is seriously weak and I for one don't consider you a fan of any team when you say and defend that crap.

 

[RR7]

Yeah, seems kind of pathetic to me as well that you allow disagreements on a message board to supercede your being a Blazers fan, and would rather win petty arguments with people you probably don't know over seeing our team succeed, even if it means people thinking that the primary reason is Nate.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I don't think it's an over reaction. You said you want the team to fail for whatever reason. That is seriously weak and I for one don't consider you a fan of any team when you say and defend that crap.

It sounded to me that NateBishop wanted the team to struggle so, in his opinion, they could bring in a coach that would take them further than Nate can. That to me sounds like a fan that wants his favorite team to win it all. You might not agree with how he wants to get there, but both of you want the same thing.

There are just about as many people who don't think Nate is the right guy for this team to take the next step, as there are people who think he is the best coach for that.

I think it's ridiculous that, just because he doesn't share your thoughts on how to achieve success, that you write him off as a fan.

 

[SnakeOiler]

Wow. Talk about an overreaction. You'd think I posted something to the effect of

"I'm not rooting for the team anymore. I want them to fail. I want them to lose. I will not be happy until they lose all 82 games."

I just think it's funny that some people exclusively point to our record over the last three years as THE reason why nate is a good coach.

"Nate is a bad coach."

"No he isn't, look at this record over the last three years. If he was a bad coach, why would the team be improving?"

Tell me that's not how every single Nate coaching thread goes.

So I'm sorry, but yes, I would take some satisfaction, if we have a bad year, in the fact that some fans could not resort to our record as the prime reason for him being a good coach.

Sue me.

I'm just a little bitter towards Nate right now because he's starting Blake. I'll get over it.

It sounded to me that NateBishop wanted the team to struggle so, in his opinion, they could bring in a coach that would take them further than Nate can. That to me sounds like a fan that wants his favorite team to win it all. You might not agree with how he wants to get there, but both of you want the same thing.

There are just about as many people who don't think Nate is the right guy for this team to take the next step, as there are people who think he is the best coach for that.

I think it's ridiculous that, just because he doesn't share your thoughts on how to achieve success, that you write him off as a fan.

He wrote himself off as a fan. In sports winning is success and he doesn't want that. Doesn't matter to me the justification.