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Tince said:
You don't create a roster of players that are optimal for a roster full of rookies, you build a roster of players who can provide value to a contending team.
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No, you get as much talent as possible and you give that talent as much developmental help as possible.

We don't need to worry about building anything until we have guys who are proving it on the floor. Ant is not part of that future, IMO.

Nobody can prove anything onwthe floor with Ant playing me ball.
As you just stated, Ant can help a playoff team. He doesn't have to be the savior for the 24-25 team, so even if he isn't a perfect fit for this upcoming season, that's ok.
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Agreed. I think there is a possibility we MAY be able to get more for him next draft on a draft day deal. But probably not if he loses his starting role to Scoot, Sharpe, or Brogdon.
Again, the bad habits thing is such a stretch. It assumes Scoot/Sharpe are mentally weak to the point that they will be influenced by the weaknesses of their teammates. If that is the case, it's highly unlikely getting younger will provide them better teammates to immulate. It discounts their ability to pick up Ant's elite traits.
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It doesn't assume anything except that Ant isn't a part of the future and that getting them more minutes playing as featured players would be good for their development.
Dame in his early years was mentally tough and put next to some strong defenders as a rookie. Did that make him a good defender in the league? No.
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Can you say that Dame wouldn't have been a worse defender if he had been surrounded by bad defenders?

Did it make him a better defender than Ant, who turned into a poor man's Dame? Maybe.
Roy in his early his career was surrounded by bad guards. Did that bad guard play rub off on him? No.
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Dame had the ball in his hands early in his career. He wasn't watching the highest paid players on the team go 1 on 5 half of his time on the court.
If Scoot/Sharpe have what it takes to be NBA stars, they will take the good from Ant, and unphased by the bad.
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I'm not planning for them to be stars. I'm planning for giving them as many developmental opportunities as possible so they will reach thwir maximum potential as Blazers.
Nothing to worry about. They shouldn't need to be coddled and haven't done anything to warrant another downgrade in talent of their support cast to clear even more runway for them. They've already been handed minutes they probably haven't even earned.
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Nobody has suggested coddling anybody.
 
beast crnjo said:
The point went over your head again. I'm not talking about a "Mavs blueprint", I'm talking about something that is true in general. But the Celtics had the #1 offense in the league if you want to play that game.

If you look at the proximity of other teams to the Blazers in terms of defensive rating, you've got the Pacers underneath them, and the Mavs and Bucks only 1-1.5 points better.

Now do the same for offense, no good teams are in the vicinity. You have to go up 5 points just to get to a mediocre team.

The Blazers suck because their offense sucks.
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How is that possible with Ant and Grant being such amazing offensive players?
 
Yes, you have to put the ball in the hoop to win. But Cronin appointed Ant the best player on the team. You would think that he learned from Dame that having your “best” player be your worst player at 50% of the game is not a recipe for success. And I would add, Lillard to Milwaukee seems to be a train wreck for the Bucks. Holiday to Boston wins an NBA title.
 
BIG Q said:
Yes, you have to put the ball in the hoop to win. But Cronin appointed Ant the best player on the team. You would think that he learned from Dame that having your “best” player be your worst player at 50% of the game is not a recipe for success. And I would add, Lillard to Milwaukee seems to be a train wreck for the Bucks. Holiday to Boston wins an NBA title.
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When did he say it? Things change and GMs don't always tell the truth. I would not get too hung up on it.
 
Phatguysrule said:
How is that possible with Ant and Grant being such amazing offensive players?
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Because look at the offensive stats of the rest of the team. Most of the team was well below the league average in terms of TS%. Plus Ant and Grant missed a lot of games, but they at least managed to hit the league average in TS%.

Your role players should be BETTER than average efficiency because they are opportunistic scorers.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Are you claiming Ant is not a bad defender?

I didn't make any judgement based on the list. I just saw it and shared it. But my opinion is that most of those guys on that list are indeed bad defenders.
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First off, you didn’t make any judgment of that, ofcourse you didn’t, we can see you bashing Ant and his defense left and right here, he is stunning growth of Scoot and Sharpe which is pure bs, and found a stat that fits your argument, that’s why you posted it.

Once again, based on that site that uses bs stats to form a rating is hilarious
 
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sheed30 said:
First off, you didn’t make any judgment of that, ofcourse you didn’t, we can see you bashing Ant and his defense left and right here, he is stunning growth of Scoot and Sharpe which is pure bs, and found a stat that fits your argument, that’s why you posted it.

Once again, based on that site that uses bs stats to form a rating is hilarious
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Lol. Why are you carrying his jock? Ant sucks at defense. That's not some new revelation.

I didn't make any judgement based on that link. I saw a post and shared it.

Blazers offense sucks. If Ant is so great, how is that possible? Why do Scoot, Sharpe, and Ayton all have drastically reduced production when playing with Ant? But both Ayton and Sharpe explode without him?

Ant isn't going to help this team. Nobody is saying we need to cut him. But he doesn't have a ton of value either. Hanging on to him at this point is encouraging more poor performances from Ayton, Scoot, and Sharpe.

If we want those 3 guys to play below their capabilities then yes, keeping Ant is good.

That's why I'm suggesting we should make it a priority to trade him for a good lotto pick or player at a position of need.
 
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beast crnjo said:
Because look at the offensive stats of the rest of the team. Most of the team was well below the league average in terms of TS%. Plus Ant and Grant missed a lot of games, but they at least managed to hit the league average in TS%.

Your role players should be BETTER than average efficiency because they are opportunistic scorers.
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I don't want Sharpe, Scoot, and Ayton to work on cleaning up Ant's scraps. I want them getting experience running the team. And I'd prefer if they could do that more than a few minutes per game.

Look at the difference in Scoot, Sharpe, and Ayton's offensive efficiency with Ant on the floor compared to without him.

Then look at it with Grant on the floor and without him.

Let us know what you find.
 
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Phatguysrule said:
Lol. Why are you carrying his jock? Ant sucks at defense. That's not some new revelation.

I didn't make any judgement based on that link. I saw a post and shared it.

Blazers offense sucks. If Ant is so great, how is that possible? Why do Scoot, Sharpe, and Ayton all have drastically reduced production when playing with Ant? But both Ayton and Sharpe explode without him?

Ant isn't going to help this team. Nobody is saying we need to cut him. But he doesn't have a ton of value either. Hanging on to him at this point is encouraging more poor performances from Ayton, Scoot, and Sharpe.

If we want those 3 guys to play below their capabilities then yes, keeping Ant is good.

That's why I'm suggesting we should make it a priority to trade him for a good lotto pick or player at a position of need.
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I didn’t read half of what you said, that’s just your opinion, and you just rambling bs now.

Ant isn’t going to help this team?

Our offense sucks at times because of what the product was like on the team, and new flash our offense was worse when Ant was out, we never had a full healthy team for a many stretches.

3 guys playing below their capabilities?
Um this is dumb. How many games did Ant, Scoot and Sharpe play together? I’ll wait.
At one point in the season Sharpe was leasing the NBA In minutes played. Try again with you bs narrative.

To be hating on Ant so much and posting meaningless bs stats links fits the narrative you want to push is cringe.
 
sheed30 said:
I didn’t read half of what you said, that’s just your opinion, and you just rambling bs now.

Ant isn’t going to help this team?

Our offense sucks at times because of what the product was like on the team, and new flash our offense was worse when Ant was out, we never had a full healthy team for a many stretches.

3 guys playing below their capabilities?
Um this is dumb. How many games did Ant, Scoot and Sharpe play together? I’ll wait.
At one point in the season Sharpe was leasing the NBA In minutes played. Try again with you bs narrative.

To be hating on Ant so much and posting meaningless bs stats links fits the narrative you want to push is cringe.
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Well, this is all my opinion.

But if you aren't reading what I'm writing then I'm not going to read what you're writing and we can just agree to disagree.

No worries.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Well, this is all my opinion.

But if you aren't reading what I'm writing then I'm not going to read what you're writing and we can just agree to disagree.

No worries.
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Because you can't answer anything, that’s why.

and just want to make Ant a scapegoat which is wrong. This team has many issues, stop making Ant the scapegoat.

I guess you think it’s Ant fault he got hurt and Scoot stunk the joint up in the many games before Ant game back. He isn’t ready yet, point blank.

Maybe you should blame Scoot for his poor offense rating and stats as to why our offense sucks, yet again you don’t sound like a smart one lol.
 
THE HCP said:
Ironic this Ant bashing showed up TODAY! We should all pray to get a player as talented as Ant today in the draft. Not a chance.
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Yes, because there are zero players in this draft that are talented enough to have gone 24th in 2018...

You could at least try to make sense.
 
THE HCP said:
Ironic this Ant bashing showed up TODAY! We should all pray to get a player as talented as Ant today in the draft. Not a chance.
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yup and pushed more by one guy with bias googles.

Typical forum, always must make someone a scapegoat.
 
sheed30 said:
Because you can answer anything, that’s why.

and just want to make Ant a scapegoat which is wrong. This team has many issues, stop making Ant the scapegoat.

I guess you think it’s Ant fault he got hurt and Scoot stunk the joint up in the many games before Ant game back. He isn’t ready yet, point blank.

Maybe you should blame Scoot for his poor offense rating and stats as to why our offense sucks, yet again you don’t sound like a smart one lol.
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Lol. This isn't personal. I'm not making Ant anything. He is a poor man's Dame, but worse at defense not even close to as effective offensively.

We already tried that. If Scoot isn't the answer then we'll have an opportunity to draft or trade for somebody better.

Ant isn't the kind of player I would build around. He dominates the ball far too much and is far too bad at defense. If we already had an established team and he were coming off the bench it might be okay.

We suck. We're going to get the opportunity to draft a lot of talent. We don't have to settle for an incomplete players like Ant. That's all this is.
 
I like Ant but I am starting to wonder if he is in the same boat as Dame cause I am not sure he fits on this team anymore cause I think the backcourt should be Scoot and Sharpe , The reason I am not a fan of a Scoot , Ant and Sharpe at the three is I am not sold at all that Sharpe can defend other 3's on a consistent basis so I think he would be better at the SG spot like 80% of the time with the rest maybe at the three spot. This being said as much as I think it's time to consider moving Ant I am not for just trading him for a box of rocks either. I think he is worth a couple of firsts and 1 up and coming player and maybe a low paid vet too but I do think it's time to explore it.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
If only it was just today......... instead of every fucking day.
The need for a whipping boy gets old.
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Well, the team sucks.

Who is to blame? Who is not good enough? How can we improve the roster and the future of the team?

If the Blazers just won a title and posters were complaining about Simons and Cronin and Billups and Grant and others, I would agree it's just madness.

But this team is horrible on the court and it lacks many bright spots on the roster for four or five years from now. I like Ant and think he can be a good player on a good team, but there's no reason to act like he's too talented to give up and/or he doesn't have holes in his game.
 
Ed O said:
Well, the team sucks.

Who is to blame? Who is not good enough? How can we improve the roster and the future of the team?

If the Blazers just won a title and posters were complaining about Simons and Cronin and Billups and Grant and others, I would agree it's just madness.

But this team is horrible on the court and it lacks many bright spots on the roster for four or five years from now. I like Ant and think he can be a good player on a good team, but there's no reason to act like he's too talented to give up and/or he doesn't have holes in his game.
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Absolutely no one is saying he doesn't have holes in his game. And no one is saying he can't be moved.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Is it one guy, or the forum?
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If people are going to bash Ant, at least come with common sense.

Is Ant is a good defender, no. Average at best right. Is he our best 3 point shooter? Yes clearly. He is 6th in 3 pointer made per game, and in todays NBA, you need that, that's the way the game is going.

Bad defense can be masked too.

Is Curry a good defender? What about Kyrie and Luka who just made it to the finals? What about Tyrese Haliburton? Jalen "tiny man' Brunson? The scapegoat and bashing is not fully warrant on Simons imo.

Ant was not the reason our offense sucked as well. Fingers can be pointed at coaching, at Scoot for how poor he played offensive at times, and for the product we put on their most times which was trash.

The only thing I can agree with, is Ant, Sharpe and Scoot, one might need to go, EVENTUALLY. Not now, Scoot isn't ready clearly. If we can get a good return for Ant, I'm down for it. But not one of the garbage suggestions on here for Ant, and that Orlando package is pure trash. This draft is also pretty shitty.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Absolutely no one is saying he doesn't have holes in his game. And no one is saying he can't be moved.
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Then what are you saying Ant is above criticism over?

"Whipping boy" indicates that someone is being unfairly targeted... in this case, I took that to be Ant being disproportionately blamed for the team overall being bad.

What level of criticism/eagerness to trade him to improve the team would not cause you to feel the frustration that seemed to be in your post?
 
Phatguysrule said:
If you think standing around half of their minutes watching Ant play 1 on 5 is good for their development we'll just have to agree to disagree.
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You saying Ant is bad basketball for 30 minute a game and people stand around and watch him doing nothing half that time is your narrative. Based off all the games I've logged over the years this would be a wild outlier. I don't have the data to disprove your narrative, but I would bet a lot of money that it is false.

And if your narrative is false, then it blows up everything else.
 
THE HCP said:
We should pray we land a player as talented as ANT in this draft.
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A player as talented as Ant from this draft would be FAR more valuable to us than Ant is.

Ant's talent isn't the problem.

So yes, I absolutely agree.
 
Tince said:
You saying Ant is bad basketball for 30 minute a game and people stand around and watch him doing nothing half that time is your narrative. Based off all the games I've logged over the years this would be a wild outlier. I don't have the data to disprove your narrative, but I would bet a lot of money that it is false.

And if your narrative is false, then it blows up everything else.
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Well, luckily it's just my opinion so we don't stand to lose much.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
If only it was just today......... instead of every fucking day.
The need for a whipping boy gets old.
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I don't think I've really ever complained about Ant before. Aside from saying I think it's time to move off of him.
 
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