Anfernee Simons trade destinations

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Where does Ant land?

  • Spurs

    Votes: 7 15.9%

  • Magic

    Votes: 14 31.8%

  • Nets

    Votes: 1 2.3%

  • Knicks

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Jazz

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Bulls

    Votes: 1 2.3%

  • Other

    Votes: 4 9.1%

  • Blazers 2024/25

    Votes: 17 38.6%
  • Total voters
    44
AmirIcon said:
I honestly wouldn't mind making him a gunner off the bench, but I doubt he would buy into that for long. Once you make someone a starter, it's hard to take that away from them.
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He would not be thrilled going to the bench, especially with an extension coming up. He wants to prove that he's a lead guard. I just think we would lose even more leverage once he either asks for a trade OR he's in his final year and nobody wants to risk dealing good value and then have him walk.
 
Natebishop3 said:
He would not be thrilled going to the bench, especially with an extension coming up. He wants to prove that he's a lead guard. I just think we would lose even more leverage once he either asks for a trade OR he's in his final year and nobody wants to risk dealing good value and then have him walk.
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But if this is his value, who would really spend good money on him I wonder?
 
Natebishop3 said:
It would be pretty sad if Simons value was THJ and a 2029 pick, plus a swap..... but that might be where we are. This type of player just doesn't seem very valuable anymore..... and I really don't want to extend him.
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after all the chatter, for years, about how much CJ was worth, trading him only brought back one 1st. I just don't think Grant or Ant or Ayton have more draft-asset-value now than CJ did in 2022. Maybe even less considering changes in the CBA
 
wizenheimer said:
after all the chatter, for years, about how much CJ was worth, trading him only brought back one 1st. I just don't think Grant or Ant or Ayton have more draft-asset-value now than CJ did in 2022. Maybe even less considering changes in the CBA
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I think that they have more value to the Blazers than what they would receive in trade at this point. That may change by the deadline as teams deal with injuries and contenders start to beef up for the playoffs.
 
wizenheimer said:
after all the chatter, for years, about how much CJ was worth, trading him only brought back one 1st. I just don't think Grant or Ant or Ayton have more draft-asset-value now than CJ did in 2022. Maybe even less considering changes in the CBA
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While I don’t disagree, CJ was significantly older than Simons AND making a lot more money.
 
illmatic99 said:
Much better optics putting Ivey in as a backup compared to our "best player" in Ant being asked to be the 6th man. And he's on a rookie scale for a few more yrs.

I think a Cade-Ant duo is also fantastic btw. Lot's of synergy there and not many overlap of strengths/weaknesses.
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I am not sure why optics is important here. It comes down to the two players and who is more accepting of it.

Ivey was drafted higher and has started 134 games in his two years.
Simons has started 143 games in 6 seasons.

IMO you guys are too hung up with the "best player" comment. He is not our best player and I doubt his ego is so big that he would have an issue with it.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I am not sure why optics is important here. It comes down to the two players and who is more accepting of it.

Ivey was drafted higher and has started 134 games in his two years.
Simons has started 143 games in 6 seasons.

IMO you guys are too hung up with the "best player" comment. He is not our best player and I doubt his ego is so big that he would have an issue with it.
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I don't think Simons would be happy on the Blazers next year off the bench at all. He's currently better than Scoot and arguably Sharpe at this time, the team isn't going to win so it would seem like he's personally sacrificing for no team benefit, Dame tooted his horn as the future of the Blazers since he was a rookie, and he scored over 20ppg the last few years.

Ivey would be much more likely to accept it coming to a new team where Scoot/Sharpe are already here and he needs to earn that spot. Now if he was clearly playing better and one of Scoot/Sharpe are underperforming it might be hard to justify keeping Ivey on the bench. But that would be the same or even a bigger issue with Simons too.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
I don't think Simons would be happy on the Blazers next year off the bench at all. He's currently better than Scoot and arguably Sharpe at this time, the team isn't going to win so it would seem like he's personally sacrificing for no team benefit, Dame tooted his horn as the future of the Blazers since he was a rookie, and he scored over 20ppg the last few years.

Ivey would be much more likely to accept it coming to a new team where Scoot/Sharpe are already here and he needs to earn that spot. Now if he was clearly playing better and one of Scoot/Sharpe are underperforming it might be hard to justify keeping Ivey on the bench. But that would be the same or even a bigger issue with Simons too.
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Which of the two has had an attitude problem in the past? We have never had an issue with Simons. Ivey on the other hand:

https://www.google.com/search?q=Ive...ate=ive&vld=cid:740b5301,vid:jnXVmbxcBXY,st:0
 
Detroit owes a pick protected to New York

  • 2024: 1-18 Own; 19-30 to NYK
  • 2025:1-13 Own; 14-30 to NYK if not already settled
  • 2026: 1-11 Own; 12-30 to NYK if not already settled
  • 2027 : 1-9 Own; 10-30 to NYK if not already settled
So the earliest they can trade one is 2029 I believe.

But I also don't think they would trade a pick unprotected. That would be suicide by that franchise.
 
B-Roy said:
Detroit owes a pick protected to New York

  • 2024: 1-18 Own; 19-30 to NYK
  • 2025:1-13 Own; 14-30 to NYK if not already settled
  • 2026: 1-11 Own; 12-30 to NYK if not already settled
  • 2027 : 1-9 Own; 10-30 to NYK if not already settled
So the earliest they can trade one is 2029 I believe.

But I also don't think they would trade a pick unprotected. That would be suicide by that franchise.
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True but they can unprotect and just convey if they want to free up some picks.
 
 
B-Roy said:
Detroit owes a pick protected to New York

  • 2024: 1-18 Own; 19-30 to NYK
  • 2025:1-13 Own; 14-30 to NYK if not already settled
  • 2026: 1-11 Own; 12-30 to NYK if not already settled
  • 2027 : 1-9 Own; 10-30 to NYK if not already settled
So the earliest they can trade one is 2029 I believe.

But I also don't think they would trade a pick unprotected. That would be suicide by that franchise.
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2024 isn't relevant as that draft is over. They can trade 2027 pick 1-9. They can do a swap 2028, and swaps for the protected portions next three years. They can trade all of 2029, 2030, 2031.

But yeah can likely easily get NY to change protections as well since NY is probably concerned this is very likely only going to be a 2027 2nd rounder.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I am not sure why optics is important here. It comes down to the two players and who is more accepting of it.

Ivey was drafted higher and has started 134 games in his two years.
Simons has started 143 games in 6 seasons.

IMO you guys are too hung up with the "best player" comment. He is not our best player and I doubt his ego is so big that he would have an issue with it.
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Considering how much Scoot struggled, I don't think Ant would buy in to a bench role. And even if he did...

More pressing is for our future team build, we shouldn't be spending 25-30 mil a yr on a 6th man.

Yes as you pointed out earlier, 96 minutes are available for three guys, but I just don't see the synergy there. Especially with Ant-Scoot combos.
 
e_blazer said:
I think that they have more value to the Blazers than what they would receive in trade at this point. That may change by the deadline as teams deal with injuries and contenders start to beef up for the playoffs.
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Disagree 100%

Grant and Ant have no value for this team unless we're planning on screwing up the rebuild in horrific ways.
 
Truth for me is to keep Ant this season as a starter with Scoot. Sharpe plays the role as 6th man - coming in for Ant, Scoot or Deni.

Let Ant score 30 points a game and raise his value. He becomes a perfect trade deadline addition to a team in need of firepower heading into a playoff run and we pick up a young talent plus 2025 draft capital. It’s all about Flagg a year from now! Spurs just might be a team making a playoff run and missing one more piece, like Simons.

Salute the Flagg!
 
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illmatic99 said:
Considering how much Scoot struggled, I don't think Ant would buy in to a bench role. And even if he did...

More pressing is for our future team build, we shouldn't be spending 25-30 mil a yr on a 6th man.

Yes as you pointed out earlier, 96 minutes are available for three guys, but I just don't see the synergy there. Especially with Ant-Scoot combos.
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Well if Scoot struggles again then of course he needs to come off the bench. I am assuming he will be better. If he doesn't...trading Ant makes even less sense.

Ant's contract should not matter. It seems to be more of an issue with Portland fans than other teams' fans. I sure never hear those concerns here in LA from Laker or Clipper fans. Yes, they are big market teams but we all play by the same cap space rules.

Not sure if Ant and Scoot are a good combo for 8 minutes a half, however right now Scoot hasn't shown synergy with any guard. But again I expect this to improve. If not, then maybe he needs to be moved.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Well if Scoot struggles again then of course he needs to come off the bench. I am assuming he will be better. If he doesn't...trading Ant makes even less sense.

Ant's contract should not matter. It seems to be more of an issue with Portland fans than other teams' fans. I sure never hear those concerns here in LA from Laker or Clipper fans. Yes, they are big market teams but we all play by the same cap space rules.

Not sure if Ant and Scoot are a good combo for 8 minutes a half, however right now Scoot hasn't shown synergy with any guard. But again I expect this to improve. If not, then maybe he needs to be moved.
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Well, if we go full tank and Scoot sucks, we can draft Harper (if we miss out on Flagg and Bailey).
 
Natebishop3 said:
True but they can unprotect and just convey if they want to free up some picks.
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Of course they could. That would be borderline malpractice if they do that since they've been the worst team in the league for the last half decade. But who knows, I'm not running the team.
 
B-Roy said:
Of course they could. That would be borderline malpractice if they do that since they've been the worst team in the league for the last half decade. But who knows, I'm not running the team.
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Maybe so but their moves this summer are not that of a team who intends to tank another season. They signed Tobias Harris and Malik Beasley. They traded for THJ. They claimed Paul Reed off waivers. They seem to be building their team towards making a push at the playin.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Maybe so but their moves this summer are not that of a team who intends to tank another season. They signed Tobias Harris and Malik Beasley. They traded for THJ. They claimed Paul Reed off waivers. They seem to be building their team towards making a push at the playin.
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All those moves were free. Unprotecting a pick that could become Cooper Flagg is not. Put more shooting around Cade and be more competitive is a goal, and they've done that already. Kicking the tires on Anfernee Simons to see if you could get him for cheap makes sense to me. Essentially trading two unprotected picks does not.
 
B-Roy said:
All those moves were free. Unprotecting a pick that could become Cooper Flagg is not. Put more shooting around Cade and be more competitive is a goal, and they've done that already. Kicking the tires on Anfernee Simons to see if you could get him for cheap makes sense to me. Essentially trading two unprotected picks does not.
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Detroit wouldn't have to unprotect the pick so its possibly #1 overall... they just tweak protections so its top5 protected or something and then converts to a 2nd rounder. That would free up 2027 and future picks for Detroit to trade. Detroit's bargaining with NY is on how low of the protections is a fair price to both sides.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I am not sure why optics is important here. It comes down to the two players and who is more accepting of it.

Ivey was drafted higher and has started 134 games in his two years.
Simons has started 143 games in 6 seasons.

IMO you guys are too hung up with the "best player" comment. He is not our best player and I doubt his ego is so big that he would have an issue with it.
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Man you can’t talk any common sense with the 3-4 same guys that want Ant traded at all costs.

They have consistently been debunked and hypocritical in the way they bash our roster but praise a similar roster, aka that Sharpe Triumph dude who praised the Rockets roster which was so typically of these pretend GM’s on here that think they know more than everyone else that works in the front office for a NBA team yet always putting their foot in their mouth.

We need to start another thread so they can whine and cry all season when Ant is still on the roster hehe.
 
Lmao at people who think if we tank next season we are getting Cooper Flagg. It doesn’t work like that, talk about being unrealistic.
 
Natebishop3 said:
How does it work?
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It’s luck, but you know that.

If I knew 100% if we tank next season we’re getting Cooper, then ya I’m down.

But what if we get 3rd? 4th? 5th pick?

We got the 7th pick, 3rd pick and 7th the last 3 drafts and here we still are.

I just don’t know why it’s “we need to tank so we can get Cooper”

There is no guarantee in the draft.
 
sheed30 said:
It’s luck, but you know that.

If I knew 100% if we tank next season we’re getting Cooper, then ya I’m down.

But what if we get 3rd? 4th? 5th pick?

We got the 7th pick, 3rd pick and 7th the last 3 drafts and here we still are.

I just don’t know why it’s “we need to tank so we can get Cooper”

There is no guarantee in the draft.
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Sure, but you want to give yourself the best chance possible at getting Flagg.... or Bailey. And the worse you do, the better your chances that you at least won't drop out of the top 5 picks. Being the Pistons is a worst case scenario and it sucks when that happens, but that's part of the deal. But this draft has some insane talent, even at #5.
 
illmatic99 said:
Considering how much Scoot struggled, I don't think Ant would buy in to a bench role. And even if he did...

More pressing is for our future team build, we shouldn't be spending 25-30 mil a yr on a 6th man.

Yes as you pointed out earlier, 96 minutes are available for three guys, but I just don't see the synergy there. Especially with Ant-Scoot combos.
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If it's broken, don't fix it.

getting packed at the rim, costly turnovers, kick outs to 28% shooters, and the "what just happened?" defense. There's a shiny new lottery pick next summer that's just beyond the Blazers grasp. The ladder to grab it is covered in "developing chemistry" stickers.
 
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