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wizenheimer said:
LOL...yeah sure because Dame and Ant are the same level of players with the same level of value
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Wasn't what I was saying. Just that it's weird how Miami's "culture" has been defense, and yet Damian sucks ass at defense.
 
julius said:
hasn't Miami placed a high value on defense too? Not sure how Damian fits in there...
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If you're extra good on offense, and if your teammates are strong on defense, you don't have to be a good defender.

Steph has never been known to be a defensive player yet he has 4 rings
 
julius said:
Wasn't what I was saying. Just that it's weird how Miami's "culture" has been defense, and yet Damian sucks ass at defense.
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Herro, Robinson, Strus, and Vincent all pretty much sucked ass at defense too, and Miami didn't have a problem with playing them....a lot.
 
wizenheimer said:
Boston has Smart & White as the starting back court

and they want to shed salary, not add. They are 11M over the tax line, 5M over the 1st apron, and less than 6M below the 2nd apron. Adding Ant would put them about 3M below the 2nd apron....and it could put them over the 2nd apron next season when Brown's extension starts
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Smart is gone now; he was dealt in the Porzingis trade. But yeah, with Tatum, Brown and Zinger all making big money, Ant wouldn't make a ton of sense.
 
wizenheimer said:
a lot of Blazer fans massively overrated CJ's value for years. It appears to be Ant's turn
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I'm just riffin off the trade proposal/rumor whatever from the video. I doubt Ant has little value unless he becomes a sniper like Lillard. No defense, all offense. But Lillard is drawing little interest too. Maybe we will see a shift to defensive minded guards now.

 
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I don't believe Lillard is drawing no interest...I do believe Joe has put a firewall around the FO dealings and nothing is leaking to the media and Dame and Goodwin have gone silent as well. I wouldn't be surprised to see this end with a multiple team deal where we move a Dame and possibly other players we have ..I don't think it happens quickly but probably will get worked out this month at the earliest. Strangely Scoot hasn't been the big story in Blazer media as much as Sharpe or Ant or Grant. When it comes to Miami...I'm ready to ask for Bam for Dame at this point. Stop shopping at the bargain bin and get some top shelf talent back. Dame for Chet Holmgren...just get better in a Dame trade at any cost.
 
riverman said:
I don't believe Lillard is drawing no interest...I do believe Joe has put a firewall around the FO dealings and nothing is leaking to the media and Dame and Goodwin have gone silent as well. I wouldn't be surprised to see this end with a multiple team deal where we move a Dame and possibly other players we have ..I don't think it happens quickly but probably will get worked out this month at the earliest. Strangely Scoot hasn't been the big story in Blazer media as much as Sharpe or Ant or Grant. When it comes to Miami...I'm ready to ask for Bam for Dame at this point. Stop shopping at the bargain bin and get some top shelf talent back. Dame for Chet Holmgren...just get better in a Dame trade at any cost.
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Dame for Chet would be awesome.

Funny to think of Dame envisioning Miami and getting Oklahoma City.
 
BigGameDamian said:
Simons to Orlando for Carter Jr. and Suggs?
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Nah. I’m a fan of both guys, but at this point, Simons is a better and more proven player than Suggs. Even if we got Suggs, it wouldn’t make sense. Upping Ant’s value to trade him for Carter Jr and Suggs is really taking a step back than a step forward. Now we’re going to have to up Suggs’ value to trade him? Doesn’t make sense to me.

Wendell Carter Jr is a nice player. Not trading Ant for him unless multiple picks were involved.
 
On the topic of having too many guards, apparently Chris Paulis starting for GS.
 
I am hoping we stay patient with dealing Ant. I can see a contending team trading for Grant and giving adequate value for him. If Dame is sits, I expect Ant to be the team’s leading scorer.

Scoot might be a really good scorer soon, I don’t expect him to be the team’s leading scorer though. But I DO expect Scoot to do a better job of moving the ball around. With an uptick in shots, I expect him to be a 24-25ppg player next year, even if he doesn’t improve his overall efficiency has a bounce back year from 3.

In games starting after Dame sat 2021-22:
23.4/2.7/5.8 on .456/.423/.866
In 11 games starting w/o Dame 2022-23:
27.9/2.9/5.7 on .462/.411/.941

It’s fine to think he’s only going to be a good 6M, that’s your prerogative. But to sell him low and not let him get a season playing without Dame to improve his value would be FO malpractice.

If Ant gets dealt, I would guess it happens next summer barring a ridiculous offer from Toronto, Brooklyn, Orlando, Charlotte, etc. But if he puts up similar numbers, a team will have two full years of Ant at a great salary—and I would expect at least a young player and 1-2 1sts.
 
Obviously he didn't get dealt last off-season, but is it time to resurrect this thread? Anyone have any reasonable (ie, not involving Franz Wagner) suggestions?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Obviously he didn't get dealt last off-season, but is it time to resurrect this thread? Anyone have any reasonable (ie, not involving Franz Wagner) suggestions?
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Honestly, I think the best course of action is to trade him for a guy who has recently been drafted along with additional incentive. I'm talking about Ausar Thompson or Jarace Walker types. Perhaps bad teams willing to offer a couple of upcoming picks.
 
Not sure what OKC plans on doing with Hayward. If they don't re-sign him, there might be an opening there for a bench scorer next season.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Obviously he didn't get dealt last off-season, but is it time to resurrect this thread? Anyone have any reasonable (ie, not involving Franz Wagner) suggestions?
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since Orlando seems to be the most mentioned destination:

* Ant for Wendall Carter Jr. + better of 2025 Orlando 1st or Denver 1st, top-5 protected (Orlando could have the cap-space to make an unbalanced trade)

I'd like to see Ant traded but I don't think he has a lot of value and is a bad fit on most teams
 
wizenheimer said:
since Orlando seems to be the most mentioned destination:

* Ant for Wendall Carter Jr. + better of 2025 Orlando 1st or Denver 1st, top-5 protected (Orlando could have the cap-space to make an unbalanced trade)

I'd like to see Ant traded but I don't think he has a lot of value and is a bad fit on most teams
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I'd probably do that trade.

I think WCJ is a bit over-rated as a player. I wouldn't mind flipping him for additional assets though.

However, if Portland wanted to keep WCJ - this would allow Blazers to shop RWIII in trades.
 
wizenheimer said:
since Orlando seems to be the most mentioned destination:

* Ant for Wendall Carter Jr. + better of 2025 Orlando 1st or Denver 1st, top-5 protected (Orlando could have the cap-space to make an unbalanced trade)

I'd like to see Ant traded but I don't think he has a lot of value and is a bad fit on most teams
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Unless they love Quickley, maybe the Raptors for Gradey Dick, salaries and the worse 1st in 2026? They have their own and the Pacers.
 
Maybe the Pelicans are feeling like a Simons-cj backcourt would be good? (Hahahahahahahaha).

Simons and one of our lotto picks for Brandon Ingram?
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
I'd probably do that trade.

I think WCJ is a bit over-rated as a player. I wouldn't mind flipping him for additional assets though.

However, if Portland wanted to keep WCJ - this would allow Blazers to shop RWIII in trades.
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I don't really know what WCJ's value is. I've seen in him games when he looked pretty damn good. I've also seen him in games when I didn't even notice he was on the floor
 
Ant's got defensive holes in his game, but he can create shots and he can hit 3-pointers. On a team that finished last from 3, I think that any trade would have to bring back someone with that skillset.
 
e_blazer said:
Ant's got defensive holes in his game, but he can create shots and he can hit 3-pointers. On a team that finished last from 3, I think that any trade would have to bring back someone with that skillset.
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They found that guy already for free though only he's 6'9 and rebounds...Delano Banton...and they probably want the rookies to practice 3s all season next year anyway so I expect they'll accept losing with or without Ant. Banton has a lot more Alpha dawg in him than Ant ever will have.
 
riverman said:
They found that guy already for free though only he's 6'9 and rebounds...Delano Banton...and they probably want the rookies to practice 3s all season next year anyway so I expect they'll accept losing with or without Ant. Banton has a lot more Alpha dawg in him than Ant ever will have.
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100%.
 
riverman said:
They found that guy already for free though only he's 6'9 and rebounds...Delano Banton...and they probably want the rookies to practice 3s all season next year anyway so I expect they'll accept losing with or without Ant. Banton has a lot more Alpha dawg in him than Ant ever will have.
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Banton was a nice pickup but he is not that guy. He might not even be back with the Blazers. He's had his Linsanity moment. (And I say this as someone who's never been an Ant fan.)
 
Did this season REDUCE Ant's value? It just seems to me that he played a lot better as a temporary Dame fill-in than he did as a permanent Dame replacement.
 
Banton isn't as good as Ant, but he doesn't have to be. His salary is a fraction of Ant's and neither will be long-term starters on THIS team. Even if Banton gives you 50% of what Ant does, that's good enough to move off of Ant and his remaining 2 years for some value.
 
AmirIcon said:
Banton isn't as good as Ant, but he doesn't have to be. His salary is a fraction of Ant's and neither will be long-term starters on THIS team. Even if Banton gives you 50% of what Ant does, that's good enough to move off of Ant and his remaining 2 years for some value.
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IMO one is a tall PG and the other is a short SG. So I don't see why we are comparing the two. I do think they played well together in a very small sample size.
Banton complemented Ant well in the very small sample size we saw. But not as good as Brogdon did.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
IMO one is a tall PG and the other is a short SG. So I don't see why we are comparing the two. I do think they played well together in a very small sample size.
Banton complemented Ant well in the very small sample size we saw.
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How many minutes are there for Banton?

PG - Scoot, Banton
SG - Sharpe, Ant

Not a lot. Not sure he earned it either. I'm more concerned with Ant signaling that he wants other opportunities and only having two years left on his contract. He should be traded before his value diminishes and he walks.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
IMO one is a tall PG and the other is a short SG. So I don't see why we are comparing the two. I do think they played well together in a very small sample size.
Banton complemented Ant well in the very small sample size we saw. But not as good as Brogdon did.
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We could use a tall PG a lot more than we could use a short SG who can't play D.
 
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