Anfernee Simons Trades

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Whyachi said:
I would take the under on Cronin trading anymore FRP's. Joe burned one to get Grant, and accidently deleted one in the CJ trade. Hands off FRP's.
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I didn’t say I wanted to do it.

Just saying the gap between Simons and Wagner is massive.
 
Predator said:
Ant, Grant, and our FRP this year might get you Franz
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They ain't trading Franz. He's a cornerstone.

Best we can probably hope for for Anfernee is filler/expiring contracts and Anthony Black. And I'm the only one on this board that would get excited about that.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
They ain't trading Franz. He's a cornerstone.

Best we can probably hope for for Anfernee is filler/expiring contracts and Anthony Black. And I'm the only one on this board that would get excited about that.
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Not at all. I was suggesting Isaac & Black for Ant months ago. Of course, we have Banton now, so the appeal is lessened.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Not at all. I was suggesting Isaac & Black for Ant months ago. Of course, we have Banton now, so the appeal is lessened.
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If I thought Black was like Banton I wouldn't want him. Like I said: Banton is poor man's Jamal Crawford, and it's evident in his abysmal (even for the Blazers) +/-. I believe Black is going to end up more Shaun Livingston-ish, which I think is a much more valuable type.
 
I like Franz Wagner AND the Magic have him paired with Banchero, so that’s set. But Franz isn’t excellent, yet.
Good? Yes, especially on O. His 3’s took a step back this year, but he’s young.

Getting Anthony Black in an Ant trade would be strong for both teams. Black will take time to develop. Ant is plug and play for 20 points at 3 levels. If they’re up for giving Portland an $18.2 TPE in a straight swap, okay. Add some draft capital? Absolutely. If they jettison Jonathan Isaac in his final year, okay.

Ant is the better player and athlete. Black is the more natural PG who D’s up more and with size. Fit and need.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
99 % of the players are available for the right price. And no we are not suggesting that Ant alone would be the right price.
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That may be, but they are looking to ‘add’ to Banchero and Wagner as the two pillars of their franchise at this point. I would draw a circle around those two.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Do I already have Banchero in that scenario? What else am I getting besides Ant? Portland's pick? Portland and GS's pick?
All of my proposed trades include more than just Ant.
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Oh good point, Blazers should try and trade Ant for Banchero.
 
Tince said:
I'd still prefer Sharpe or Scoot become a better player than Ant before we feel the need to offload him. If Ant isn't that good as some appear to feel, then I'd think it wouldn't take those guys very long to prove they are better. Obviously if a great trade is available for Ant, you take it.
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Yes agree with all of that, and will just add that all 3 can get plenty of minutes together as well as all three are often injured. Hell we had a 4th guard in Brogdon this last year and still had extensive games with scrubs starting.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Yes agree with all of that, and will just add that all 3 can get plenty of minutes together as well as all three are often injured. Hell we had a 4th guard in Brogdon this last year and still had extensive games with scrubs starting.
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I agree with this. All 3 can get plenty of time to show how good they are.
 
Tince said:
I agree with this. All 3 can get plenty of time to show how good they are.
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lol...yeah, right...we need a 7th season for Simons to figure him out; maybe an 8th. After all, he's been limited to 8300 minutes in 334 games
 
wizenheimer said:
lol...yeah, right...we need a 7th season for Simons to figure him out; maybe an 8th. After all, he's been limited to 8300 minutes in 334 games
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If you go back to my original comment, you'd see it isn't about determining what type of player Ant is; I agree that we have a good idea.

We also know Sharpe nor Scoot are better players than Ant. I would like to stop the trend of downgrading the talent on this roster. Though maybe I'm in the minority and some would like to see this roster get even worse.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Banton LMAO.... He's almost as good as Sean Mays was last year.
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sean may was awesome for us last year behind drew eubanks.

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Tince said:
If you go back to my original comment, you'd see it isn't about determining what type of player Ant is; I agree that we have a good idea.

We also know Sharpe nor Scoot are better players than Ant. I would like to stop the trend of downgrading the talent on this roster. Though maybe I'm in the minority and some would like to see this roster get even worse.
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"downgrading the talent"? wut? When you're 28-30 in talent does it really make any difference if you get incrementally worse in talent if you incrementally upgrade fit? Nobody is saying just waive him...we're talking about Simons trades in a thread titles Simon Trades

For fucksakes this is a schizophrenic forum when talking about Ant's value and talent. You were agreeing with ST who just a few days ago said Ant didn't have equal value to Wendall Carter Jr.; Blazers would have to add value to make that trade. That was in the same thread that had discussion about Ant + something for Franz Wagner

I know you like Ant and come up with reasons to keep him. That's fine, and clearly, I don't agree. But the argument of we don't know yet what kind of player and talent Ant is doesn't pass the smell test. Ant is a player very similar to CJ and those kind of players don't significantly alter the trajectory of a team compared to any average player
 
wizenheimer said:
"downgrading the talent"? wut? When you're 28-30 in talent does it really make any difference if you get incrementally worse in talent if you incrementally upgrade fit? Nobody is saying just waive him...we're talking about Simons trades in a thread titles Simon Trades

For fucksakes this is a schizophrenic forum when talking about Ant's value and talent. You were agreeing with ST who just a few days ago said Ant didn't have equal value to Wendall Carter Jr.; Blazers would have to add value to make that trade. That was in the same thread that had discussion about Ant + something for Franz Wagner

I know you like Ant and come up with reasons to keep him. That's fine, and clearly, I don't agree. But the argument of we don't know yet what kind of player and talent Ant is doesn't pass the smell test. Ant is a player very similar to CJ and those kind of players don't significantly alter the trajectory of a team compared to any average player
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I'm unsure what you're frazzled about. I said I'm perfectly open to trading Ant if we can get a good return for him. I never said people were suggesting we waive him, so I have no clue why you even brought up that scenario.

I don't believe I ever made any mention to Ant's value in comparison to Wendall Carter Jr, so if you have an issue with that, please take it up with the person who made the post. I agreed with ST that Scoot, Sharpe, and Ant can all get plenty of playing time on the same team, that's it.

I continue to believe that even if we're the least talented team in the league, the best path to becoming a contender isn't to try to increase the gap between us and the 29th most talented team. I like Sharpe, I like Scoot, and I like Ant. I don't love any of them and therefore I don't any one of them needs to go in order to make room for the other.

You finished by going back to some statement implying I feel we don't know what kind of player and talent Ant is. This is the second time you've brought this up despite the fact that not only have I not said we don't know what kind of player and talent he is, I've said the exact opposite. I'm unsure as to why you are trying to make that the takeaway, when it isn't at all what what I said and is totally unrelated to my original stance.
 
Tince said:
I'm unsure what you're frazzled about. I said I'm perfectly open to trading Ant if we can get a good return for him. I never said people were suggesting we waive him, so I have no clue why you even brought up that scenario.
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"I would like to stop the trend of downgrading the talent on this roster"

YOU brought up that scenario when you suggested trading Ant would be a downgrading talent. If you don't know what he'd be traded for, how can you know it would be for less talent?
 
wizenheimer said:
"I would like to stop the trend of downgrading the talent on this roster"

YOU brought up that scenario when you suggested trading Ant would be a downgrading talent. If you don't know what he'd be traded for, how can you know it would be for less talent?
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I also said this before that comment... "if a great trade is available for Ant, you take it."

So if we can trade him for equal talent at the forward position or a better talent overall, I'm all for it. I do not want to downgrade in talent just to trade him and give Scoot/Sharpe all the minutes. I'm confused to why that might be a wild take.

I really have no clue how you came to the conclusion I was saying we don't know what type of player/talent Ant is.
 
wizenheimer said:
"downgrading the talent"? wut? When you're 28-30 in talent does it really make any difference if you get incrementally worse in talent if you incrementally upgrade fit? Nobody is saying just waive him...we're talking about Simons trades in a thread titles Simon Trades

For fucksakes this is a schizophrenic forum when talking about Ant's value and talent. You were agreeing with ST who just a few days ago said Ant didn't have equal value to Wendall Carter Jr.; Blazers would have to add value to make that trade. That was in the same thread that had discussion about Ant + something for Franz Wagner

I know you like Ant and come up with reasons to keep him. That's fine, and clearly, I don't agree. But the argument of we don't know yet what kind of player and talent Ant is doesn't pass the smell test. Ant is a player very similar to CJ and those kind of players don't significantly alter the trajectory of a team compared to any average player
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I do like that Ant can help us have a passable offense, that helps get young players like Scoot/Sharpe/Camara/etc better in game experience. If our offense is so bad we're getting blown out by 20 every game our young players won't develop as well.

We're still likely getting a top5 pick next year regardless of keeping Ant or having an Ant trade.

Ant being sort of young is also a bonus in that in x years he still has value here or in a trade whereas Brogdon aged player that will then be around their mid 30s obviously won't have that.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
I do like that Ant can help us have a passable offense, that helps get young players like Scoot/Sharpe/Camara/etc better in game experience. If our offense is so bad we're getting blown out by 20 every game our young players won't develop as well.

Ant being young is also a bonus in that in x years he still has value here or in a trade whereas Brogdon aged player that will then be around their mid 30s obviously won't have that.
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Why are you saying we need more time to figure out what type of player Ant is?
 
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