Angry Oregon separatists are looking for a way to become part of Idaho

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Orion Bailey said:
okay. Selfish asses. You don't live there, but you want to dictate the land they live on because… you like it being part of Oregon? And they are the selfish asses???

as said, ranches aren’t easy to just “move”….
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thing is you don't move a ranch....you sell it and upgrade....Oregon real estate isn't cheap by any stretch...you could probably buy 3 farms in Nebraska for the cost of one in eastern Oregon. My father sold his pub in town and bought his dairy farm after looking to purchase in Oregon, Hawaii, Washington State and Iowa.....he ended up getting more land in his home state of Iowa for the same money.....businesses move all the time for tax reasons or profit....I think most of this is just bluster coming from locals who don't like being the political minority in the state....boo hoo
would be my response...
 
twobullz said:
I live over here and have no interest in being part of Idaho. There are a lot more people who don’t want this then do. Since we don’t own ranches do we not count?
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i would assume it would be a vote from those who live within the proposed boundary change and if you are right(I dont really know the numbers) in more of you not wanting the change, then nothing to worry about, correct?
 
riverman said:
thing is you don't move a ranch....you sell it and upgrade....Oregon real estate isn't cheap by any stretch...you could probably buy 3 farms in Nebraska for the cost of one in eastern Oregon. My father sold his pub in town and bought his dairy farm after looking to purchase in Oregon, Hawaii, Washington State and Iowa.....he ended up getting more land in his home state of Iowa for the same money.....businesses move all the time for tax reasons or profit....I think most of this is just bluster coming from locals who don't like being the political minority in the state....boo hoo
would be my response...
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fair enough, but its still not like selling a house and moving unless you are selling all the livestock, machinery, etc as well, plus many ranchers grew up there. There is personal value, not just monetary.
Ranch life is like small community life. More than just the ranch owner is affected.

At any rate, i believe if some want a change, they have the right to propose it and call for a vote from the people( not sure something like this works like that). If more people want the change then don't, then they should be allowed to do so. If not, then they shouldn't be allowed.
Let the majority who live there decide and if the minority doesn't like it, they can move.
Thats the fair way to do it.
 
twobullz said:
I live over here and have no interest in being part of Idaho. There are a lot more people who don’t want this then do. Since we don’t own ranches do we not count?
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To them, apparently not.
 
Orion Bailey said:
i would assume it would be a vote from those who live within the proposed boundary change and if you are right(I dont really know the numbers) in more of you not wanting the change, then nothing to worry about, correct?
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It has failed in 2 counties and here in Deschutes county they can't even get enough signatures to get it on the ballot.
 
It's not just up to the residents. Both state governments would have to agree to it, as would congress.

The chances of this happening are zero. It's fun to discuss, but it's in the same category as "What if everyone was required to carry a salami at all times?"

barfo
 
Orion Bailey said:
okay. Selfish asses. You don't live there, but you want to dictate the land they live on because… you like it being part of Oregon? And they are the selfish asses???

as said, ranches aren’t easy to just “move”….
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Ranches are businesses. They are easier to move than states.

Yes. I like the state the ways it is. I'm not trying to change it to fit my world perspective.

Again, we have a country of states with borders so that you can move to another one of you don't like your current one.

There is nothing unjust or illegal going on here. In fact, Oregon has many freedoms that Idaho doesn't.

Agian, if they don't like it nobody is stopping them from leaving. Sell your overpriced and overtaxed land here and go buy some of that sweet sweet Idaho land. It's cheaper so you should have a much bigger and better ranch after you move.

Why are we talking about making 7 million people accept a changed state because a few thousand don't like it? Completely selfish.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Ranches are businesses. They are easier to move than states.

Yes. I like the state the ways it is. I'm not trying to change it to fit my world perspective.

Again, we have a country of states with borders so that you can move to another one of you don't like your current one.

There is nothing unjust or illegal going on here. In fact, Oregon has many freedoms that Idaho doesn't.

Agian, if they don't like it nobody is stopping them from leaving. Sell your overpriced and overtaxed land here and go buy some of that sweet sweet Idaho land. It's cheaper so you should have a much bigger and better ranch after you move.

Why are we talking about making 7 million people accept a changed state because a few thousand don't like it? Completely selfish.
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While I'm sure that there are people across the state who want to 'leave' Oregon, it's strange that Oregons population continues to rise. Also, I'm amazed at how a very small % of people are made out to sound like a huge % of Oregonians.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I have no problem with the land. In fact, I quite enjoy the land.

I have a problem with ignorant idiots like the people who want to change the state rather than just moving their own selfish asses.
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Why is it selfish for them to want to be under new government and not to want them to stay? Whats it to you?
 
beast crnjo said:
Why is it selfish for them to want to be under new government and not to want them to stay? Whats it to you?
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they have 49 choices if they want to live under new govt...most farmers I know or have known don't give two shits about the suits in govt ...it's less selfish of them than a flat out waste of time and energy to make up for being in the minority politically in your state..and as someone mentioned...the other people who live there might not agree with the few disgruntled folks...they have rights to the govt of their choice as well. If it's that important to someone...run for office..make a difference!
 
beast crnjo said:
Why is it selfish for them to want to be under new government and not to want them to stay? Whats it to you?
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Nothing is stopping them from being under new government. It's right across the border. They are more than welcome to leave.

It's selfish for them to want the whole state to change for their sake.
 
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Phatguysrule said:
Nothing is stopping then from being under new government. It's right across the border. They are more than welcome to leave.

It's selfish for them to want the whole state to change for their sake.
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That's a total evasion of the question.
 
riverman said:
they have 49 choices if they want to live under new govt...most farmers I know or have known don't give two shits about the suits in govt ...it's less selfish of them than a flat out waste of time and energy to make up for being in the minority politically in your state..and as someone mentioned...the other people who live there might not agree with the few disgruntled folks...they have rights to the govt of their choice as well. If it's that important to someone...run for office..make a difference!
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It's something they would vote on of course. No one is saying a disgruntled few would dictate that move. But why should a county not pursue a change in jurisdiction if it's the will of the people? And why would you assert to keep them as unwilling political captives?
 
beast crnjo said:
It's something they would vote on of course. No one is saying a disgruntled few would dictate that move. But why should a county not pursue a change in jurisdiction if it's the will of the people? And why would you assert to keep them as unwilling political captives?
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State residence isn't captivity..it's free will... not political, it's territorial. Every state has opposing political representation...that's everywhere. The farm in Tennessee succeeded from the Union and formed it's own "territory"...giving up all civil services and benefits of being a state of the union. That's a viable option but you give up alot of American benefits to go that route...you can't force people who have invested in property, business, etc in Oregon to accept different statehood anymore than you can make disgruntled Oregonians win an election.
 
beast crnjo said:
It's something they would vote on of course. No one is saying a disgruntled few would dictate that move. But why should a county not pursue a change in jurisdiction if it's the will of the people? And why would you assert to keep them as unwilling political captives?
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So you think individual counties should have the option of voting to join other states? Man I want to be an Alaskan, I wonder if I can get the people of Deschutes County to vote to join Alaska.
 
beast crnjo said:
It's something they would vote on of course. No one is saying a disgruntled few would dictate that move. But why should a county not pursue a change in jurisdiction if it's the will of the people? And why would you assert to keep them as unwilling political captives?
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Because it's nonsensical and unmanageable to let every one of the thousands of counties in the nation vote on which state to be part of. That's why.

If you're suggesting the US dissolve as a nation and every county can be their own freehold, well, propose it as national legislation and try to get support for it.
 
[QUOTE="Phatguysrule, post: 5257557, member: 21617"

Need a law to prevent gerrymandering.[/QUOTE]

House passed one. Senate Republicans refuse to allow a vote.
 
Minstrel said:
Because it's nonsensical and unmanageable to let every one of the thousands of counties in the nation vote on which state to be part of. That's why.

If you're suggesting the US dissolve as a nation and every county can be their own freehold, well, propose it as national legislation and try to get support for it.
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Minstrel said:
Because it's nonsensical and unmanageable to let every one of the thousands of counties in the nation vote on which state to be part of. That's why.

If you're suggesting the US dissolve as a nation and every county can be their own freehold, well, propose it as national legislation and try to get support for it.
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But remember, it only takes 41 Democrats in the Senate to kill it.
 
Water seeks its own level and people should do so as well. I know people that have moved to Oregon for various reasons and people that have moved out for various reasons. Its the same with cities within States.
I live in Oregon now because all my kids and grandkids are here. Sure we could live somewhere else its financially beneficial for retired couple.
Id rather live in Central Oregon now because of fishing and hunting and much less rain but Id have to leave my wife here as she wants to be within spitting distance of kids and gk's.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I work for a Ma and Pa. We pay well. Solid benefits. 401k matching.

We have incredibly low turnover. Payout bonuses nearly every year, including during recessions. Last year, long term employees got a 15% bonus (15% of our annual salary, which was a record).

Ma's and Pa's paid well 75-50 years ago. We as a country have more wealth now than we ever have. More than any country ever has.

Ma's and Pa's who are run well will do just fine paying good salaries.

The ones who aren't run well will fold. And good riddance to that. Makes room for better companies to treat those employees right.
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Do you work for Benchmade?
 
twobullz said:
So you think individual counties should have the option of voting to join other states? Man I want to be an Alaskan, I wonder if I can get the people of Deschutes County to vote to join Alaska.
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Sweet I wonder if folks in Washington county want to become part of Hawaii! I dig the weather there, and I an sick if this oppressive Oregon weather.
 
Voodoo said:
Gotcha, just first small well run company in Oregon City I could think of.
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Good guess. Unfortunately I don't work in Oregon City. Luckily I get to work from home most of the time...
 
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