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^^^ So Dame and CJ have each other to pass to (assist opportunities) and the best shooter of anyone else listed above in Crabbe.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Have you seen the HOU roster? Have you watched them play. They went out and deliberately surrounded Harden with shooters (the "others" as Charles Barkley calls them) so Harden could play the Steve Nash role in D'Antoni's offense. As a team, HOU (14.5) makes 40% more 3FG/G than POR (10.3).

But, since Dame/C.J. make the majority of our 3FG, the quality of their "others" is much lower than the quality of Harden's "others".

Here are Harden's top 4 "others":

Trevor Ariza: 2.5 3FG/G, 7.1 3FGA/G, .355 3FG%
Patrick Beverly: 1.7 3FG/G, 4.3 3FGA/G, .390 3FG%
Ryan Anderson: 2.7 3FG/G, 6.8 3FGA/G, .404 3FG%
Eric Gordon: 3.5 3FG/G, 9.2 3FGA/G, .387 3FG%
Total: 10.4 3FG/G, 27.4 3FGA/G, .380 3FG%

Dame and C.J.'s top 4 "others"
Maurice Harkless: 1.1 3FG/G, 3.1 3FGA/G, .342 3FG%
Al-Farouq Aminu: 1.1 3FG/G, 3.7 3FGA/G, .307 3FG%
Meyers Leonard: 1.0 3FG/G, 3.1 3FGA/G, .336 3FG%
Allen Crabbe: 1.5 3FG/G, 3.6 3FGA/G, .431 3FG%
Total: 4.7 3FG/G, 13.5 3FGA/G, .348 3FG%

Harden is definitely surrounded by better shooters.

BNM
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Wow. Meyers is so bad at the one thing hes supposed to be good at, that Maurice Harkless is shooting a better 3 point percentage.

He is so bad.
 
I think the title should be finally another guy we can pass it to that will actually put in in the basket
 
TBpup said:
^^^ So Dame and CJ have each other to pass to (assist opportunities) and the best shooter of anyone else listed above in Crabbe.
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Not really. They both create their own shots much, MUCH more than any of Harden's team mates. Dame doesn't get an assist when C.J. beats his man off the dribble and C.J. doesn't
the get an assist when Dame hits a pull up 3, or drives to the basket.

Yes, Crabbe would fit right in in HOU (but only if he took twice as many shots). None of Aminu, Leonard, Harkless or Turner would. They are all worse shooters than Ariza, Beverly, Anderson and Gordon. And, it's not just about percentages, it's also about volume. Harden gets more assists because the guys he passes to take, and make, more shots. How many times do we see Leonard or Crabbe hesitate and pass the ball when they are wide open? You don't see Ryan Anderson or Eric Gordon hesitate and pass up wide open shots - ever.

BNM
 
Strenuus said:
Wow. Meyers is so bad at the one thing hes supposed to be good at, that Maurice Harkless is shooting a better 3 point percentage.

He is so bad.
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I have no idea what happened to his confidence, but there have been times in the past when he was lights out if left open at the 3-point line. Now, whenever he shoots a 3, I automatically assume it's a miss and am surprised when one occasionally goes in.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
I have no idea what happened to his confidence, but there have been times in the past when he was lights out if left open at the 3-point line. Now, whenever he shoots a 3, I automatically assume it's a miss and am surprised when one occasionally goes in.

BNM
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His body language seems like pure panic attack....he's got serious stage fright
 
riverman said:
more like Vonleh gets his jump shot going playing next to Nurkic...Vonleh becomes a great 3 pt shooter
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My point is that please, for the love of god, can we have one big man that isnt turned from an inside presence that we can toss it down low to... Can we have that once under stotts? Just once. Nurkic could be that. I just dont want stotts to fuck that up like he seems to do often.
 
Strenuus said:
My point is that please, for the love of god, can we have one big man that isnt turned from an inside presence that we can toss it down low to... Can we have that once under stotts? Just once. Nurkic could be that. I just dont want stotts to fuck that up like he seems to do often.
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I think this is going to work really well with Vonleh and Nurkic side by side...Nurkic will allow Vonleh to step out of the paint and shoot...Vonleh has a good looking shot...just hasn't shot much in our games..
 
Strenuus said:
BREAKING: Nurkic becomes a 3 point shooter under Stotts.
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I have no idea how long it will take Stotts to start running plays for him on the low block, but for now, it will be nice to have a guy who hits the offensive glass and can actually put the ball in the basket when he gets an offensive rebound. Ed and Noah are our best offensive rebounders, but Noah usually gets stuffed when he tries for the put back, and more often than not, when Ed gets an offensive rebound, he passes out to a guard to reset the possession. When Nurkic gets an offense rebound he goes right back up and he goes up strong. That's the way it should be - either finish strong or draw a foul on an opposing big man.

BNM
 
riverman said:
I think this is going to work really well with Vonleh and Nurkic side by side...Nurkic will allow Vonleh to step out of the paint and shoot...Vonleh has a good looking shot...just hasn't shot much in our games..
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To about 16 feet im okay with... Beyond that, leave it alone.
 
Boob-No-More said:
I have no idea how long it will take Stotts to start running plays for him on the low block, but for now, it will be nice to have a guy who hits the offensive glass and can actually put the ball in the basket when he gets an offensive rebound. Ed and Noah are our best offensive rebounders, but Noah usually gets stuffed when he tries for the put back, and more often than not, when Ed gets an offensive rebound, he passes out to a guard to reset the possession. When Nurkic gets an offense rebound he goes right back up and he goes up strong. That's the way it should be - either finish strong or draw a foul on an opposing big man.

BNM
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Hear hear.
 
Boob-No-More said:
I have no idea what happened to his confidence, but there have been times in the past when he was lights out if left open at the 3-point line. Now, whenever he shoots a 3, I automatically assume it's a miss and am surprised when one occasionally goes in.

BNM
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I definitely think it's a confidence issue. He's thinking too much while he's shooting. Exhibit A: All the open looks he passes up.
 
Strenuus said:
My point is that please, for the love of god, can we have one big man that isnt turned from an inside presence that we can toss it down low to... Can we have that once under stotts? Just once. Nurkic could be that. I just dont want stotts to fuck that up like he seems to do often.
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This isn't the only place Stotts has coached. He was in charge of the offense in DAL and didn't try to convert Tyson Chanlder into a 3-point shooter. He works with what he's given.

BNM
 
BBert said:
I definitely think it's a confidence issue. He's thinking too much while he's shooting. Exhibit A: All the open looks he passes up.
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Yep, the hesitation has fucked up his head and his form. His first instinct is to pass. He only shoots as a last resort, if no one challenges his shot. A shooter's first instinct should be to shoot the ball and only look to pass if you're covered. His instincts are the exact opposite of a great shooter.

BNM
 
If Meyers stands under the rim looking to pass out when he's guarded by Isiah Thomas again, I'll scream...turn around and dunk it! This is my biggest issue...I'd like to see stop thinking he's a 3 pt specialist and learn to dunk and take it to the rack....he can dunk over anybody if he tries...his weakness is his pause button..JUST PUSH PLAY!
 
Boob-No-More said:
Yep, the hesitation has fucked up his head and his form. His first instinct is to pass. He only shoots as a last resort, if no one challenges his shot. A shooter's first instinct should be to shoot the ball and only look to pass if you're covered. His instincts are the exact opposite of a great shooter.

BNM
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You can tell what kind of game Meyers is going to have after his first or second shot attempt. If he makes a couple, he will play with confidence and do well. If he misses, forget it, he's not mentally tough enough to push through it. It's actually crazy to watch. I wish he would just say fuck it and let it all go. I almost feel bad for him. Almost.
 
Meyers could be a good player if his mentality was different. I just don't see him changing.
 
One reason why I think they will pass to him, he will actually catch it and score.
 
Boob-No-More said:
This isn't the only place Stotts has coached. He was in charge of the offense in DAL and didn't try to convert Tyson Chanlder into a 3-point shooter. He works with what he's given.

BNM
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To counter that point id like to remind people that in the last year or two of lamarcus' stay here he was making him a 3 point shooter. Hell, he was making everyone that way... Would of made rolo one too if he could shoot.
 
Strenuus said:
To counter that point id like to remind people that in the last year or two of lamarcus' stay here he was making him a 3 point shooter. Hell, he was making everyone that way... Would of made rolo one too if he could shoot.
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Seriously???? His last two seasons in POR, LaMarcus Aldridge led the entire league in 2-point FGA, both seasons. How is that making him into a 3-point shooter?

Sure, Stotts gave him the green light to shoot the 3 when he was open and felt comfortable. So, does Greg Popovich in San Antonio. In his last two seasons in POR, 4.2% of Aldridge's FGA were 3FGA. In his 1.6 seasons in SAS, 3.1% of his FGA and 3FGA. Not really much difference there.

OMG, Greg Popovich is a HORRIBLE coach. Fire him NOW!!!! He's trying to make LaMarcus Aldridge into a 3-point shooter! What is he thinking????

BNM
 
Watching tonight, you might think Barkley has a point. Nurkic and Vonleh played a total of 45 minutes. Between the two of them, they missed zero, zip, nada, none no shots. The first thing responders will say is that Vonleh didn't take/get any shots.....which only makes Barkley's point. Nurkic had 13 points on 5 shots. He made every single field goal and was a +19 while he was on the floor.

That means for the 27 minutes when he wasn't on the floor, the team was a -42.

That is enough to boggle the mind. A guy makes that much of an impact and you can't get him more than 5 shots...when he is hitting everything? He and Vonleh were also the top rebounders for Portland and Noah was only -2 in his 24 minutes....meaning the team was -21 when he wasn't on the court. So clearly they had a good to very positive impact compared to almost everyone else.....and they could only get 5 shots between the two of them.

I don't know if Barkley is right or not but damn, it's almost like they are trying to prove him right.

Here's an idea. FEED THE GUY WHO ISN'T MISSING!!!!!!!!
 
I watched closer last night after the Barkley comments, and he's not wrong. The offense that Stotts brought to Portland has a lot of ball and player movement. This is the same offense, with player movement, but the ball isn't moving nearly as much. Maybe that's by design because Stotts told them to? Lack of talent can scare coaches into relying on stars too much. Or maybe the two decided they needed to carry a roster that has Meyers and Patty C in the rotation?

Either way, the ball is not moving like it did in years past.

Not surprisingly, Lillard and Cj's assist totals are down this year
 
Mediocre Man said:
I watched closer last night after the Barkley comments, and he's not wrong. The offense that Stotts brought to Portland has a lot of ball and player movement. This is the same offense, with player movement, but the ball isn't moving nearly as much. Maybe that's by design because Stotts told them to? Lack of talent can scare coaches into relying on stars too much. Or maybe the two decided they needed to carry a roster that has Meyers and Patty C in the rotation?

Either way, the ball is not moving like it did in years past.

Not surprisingly, Lillard and Cj's assist totals are down this year
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CJ is shooting .3 more shots per game, and Dame is shooting fewer shots per game this year vs last year (while shooting better overall, but now has turned into a sub-par 3 point shooter).

I think their assist #'s are down more due to the change of who distributes the ball. in 15-16, Mason averaged 2.8 assists, and this year Mason was 4.0 AND Evan Turner is averaging 3.4. The team itself is averaging more assists this year than last year (by .4). That is probably more to do with their #'s being down than them shooting more.

I think going away from CJ and Damian distributing the ball has hindered the flow of the offense. Turner handles the ball a lot now (pre-injury of course), as did Mason (pre-trade).

If the team went into this season with the team as it currently stands (w/Evan), I think they'd be a lot better record wise. But this season was the perfect storm of changes and poor cogs. Aminu, Meyers and Turner (to start the year) were all detrimental to the offensive flow of the team.

Crabbe wasn't exactly great for the flow either.
 
If there's anything you take from the above post (#57), it's that Aminu should never create his own shot or try to create for others, and Meyers should retire.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Have you seen the HOU roster? Have you watched them play. They went out and deliberately surrounded Harden with shooters (the "others" as Charles Barkley calls them) so Harden could play the Steve Nash role in D'Antoni's offense. As a team, HOU (14.5) makes 40% more 3FG/G than POR (10.3).

But, since Dame/C.J. make the majority of our 3FG, the quality of their "others" is much lower than the quality of Harden's "others".

Here are Harden's top 4 "others":

Trevor Ariza: 2.5 3FG/G, 7.1 3FGA/G, .355 3FG%
Patrick Beverly: 1.7 3FG/G, 4.3 3FGA/G, .390 3FG%
Ryan Anderson: 2.7 3FG/G, 6.8 3FGA/G, .404 3FG%
Eric Gordon: 3.5 3FG/G, 9.2 3FGA/G, .387 3FG%
Total: 10.4 3FG/G, 27.4 3FGA/G, .380 3FG%

Dame and C.J.'s top 4 "others"
Maurice Harkless: 1.1 3FG/G, 3.1 3FGA/G, .342 3FG%
Al-Farouq Aminu: 1.1 3FG/G, 3.7 3FGA/G, .307 3FG%
Meyers Leonard: 1.0 3FG/G, 3.1 3FGA/G, .336 3FG%
Allen Crabbe: 1.5 3FG/G, 3.6 3FGA/G, .431 3FG%
Total: 4.7 3FG/G, 13.5 3FGA/G, .348 3FG%

Harden is definitely surrounded by better shooters.

BNM
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What is interesting for me from those figures is that our two best three point shooters get slightly less attempts combined than our two worse shooters. I guess that is partly due to the fact that teams don't worry about leaving Leonard and Aminu wide open. But I would like to see the team work harder at giving Harkless and Crabbe more shots.
 
As far as I am concerned....Dame and CJ don't shoot enough.

OK I am being a little facetious, but seriously this team lacks quality shooters. I am not saying these guy can't contribute on the offensive end, but they are just not what I would call scorers. let alone good shooters: Plums (before he was traded) , Davis, Harkless, Aminu, ET, Vonleh, and Leonard (who should be, but this year is not)

That leaves Crabbe besides CJ and Dame.

ET became a reliable scorer before he got hurt with his driving shots over his defender, but he creates his own shots. A skill that is needed on this team but not someone who is going to help with Dame and CJ's assist totals.

I like Harkless and think he is a keeper along with ET. But if that is the case we need a stretch 4 who can shoot lights out for Dame and CJ to pass to. Otherwise they need to start Crabbe or hope Jake progresses over the summer. They need 3 elite shooters on the floor....at least
 
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