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AR was my 1A hope over 1B Batum at #13 in the 2008 draft. While flashing a lot of potential at GS, he fell out of favor with Nelson because of poor rotations on D and wanting to be a jumpshooting PG on O. Nellie wanted him to play like a traditional Big... bang, board, and set picks. With a lack of PT in his second year he first sulked and then tore ligaments in his left ankle that ended his season. He was shipped off to NY in the Lee sign and trade and hasn't been able to crack their rotation.

If he's thought to be physically and mentally good to go, I'd love to add him to the Blazer mix for the price of a mid 1st. Dude is just the slightest shade smaller then LA in height/length, can handle the ball, and would seem to project well at the high post.

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part of this business is taking calculated risks on players, especially if they've shown talent and flashes, but may be in a bad situation or fallen into some coachea dog house. Plus A Randolph is not an "expensive chance". IMO he is low risk and high reward, no brainer IMO.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I really don't know what happened to him.... I remember he was blowing up in Golden State and then nothing. Maybe one of our esteemed GSW people could enlighten us?
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I posted this about AR a few months ago in a different AR thread in the Portland forum:

His greatest strengths are speed, athleticism, and handles for his size. His weaknesses are being light/weak, having no post game, poor jump shot, inconsistency, and possibly a bad attitude or poor work ethic (Nellie had big time problems with him and D'Antoni is already having them). Hes a very good shotblocker and capable of dominating on the glass but inconsistent rebounding it. He can make some really amazing plays going coast to coast weaving through the opposition and drop a gorgeous dime at the end- but he'll fail to hit open J's, make awful turnovers, and give you low efficiency offense, he'll get manhandled in the post. Obviously hes got potential but I think his stock has taken a big hit because he was met with mixed reception from D'Antoni almost immediately. When Nellie had issues with him it was easy to excuse as Nellie likes to fugg with guys, especially young guys, big guys, lotto picks, etc. But how many players can you remember that Nellie gave up on who turned out making something of themselves later? Hes got a damn good track record as far as evaluating talent.

Certainly its worth PDX going after him because you're assets seem to have all gone to shit in a very short period of time. But I think its a god awful fit with Nate and with the style that you guys want to play. I don't see Randolph ever being a great player in a slow-it-down grind-it-out system. Hes a lightweight big man who has zero post scoring skills, can't shoot well, makes a lot of bonehead plays, etc. His main advantages are that hes so much faster than other bigs and has guard skills. Hes still young and could be pretty good but I don't think anyone is expecting him to be a franchise player or even a number 2 type of guy. Maybe a more athletic Lamar Odom? And thats a pretty generous comparison IMO.
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And here's another post I made in another PDX Anthony Randolph thread that has more to do with the path of his career:
KingSpeed said:
It's "concerning" that they want to trade Anthony Randolph to get Carmelo Anthony?? Wouldn't every GM do that?
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It doesn't concern you that Denver doesn't want AR? No one's going to give what appears to be a future lotto pick for AR. The first rounder they get back in an AR trade will probably be projected as a mid/late first. And if we're to assume AR is moved for a mid/late-first then the talent one would acquire in that draft slot would likely be nowhere near the talent that AR has. Yet Denver wants nothing to do with AR and would prefer a mid-first.

AR had issues in GS that were blamed on immaturity and Don Nelson being a prick. He requested a trade his rookie year and there were chronic rumblings of issues with him being a headcase. NY was in love with him and to be honest I think Larry Riley and Nellie were done with him and pretty convinced he was more trouble than he was worth. The trade came off as a simple "all-star" for a prospect and a couple of role players swap but I think AR was for sure gone in Larry Riley's eyes, he just happened to land a quality player in exchange.

Then AR gets to NY to mixed results. D'Antoni seems to love his talent and its very up and down. Playing time is sporadic and I believe D'Antoni criticized AR publicly. Now AR doesn't play at all. And they're trying to dump him two months into the season for a first round pick. Yeah its all a scheme to get Melo but you now have GS and NY that have/had problems with him behind the scenes and want to dump him and Denver doesn't want any of him (even though hes probably more talented than anyone they would get from that draft pick).
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Obviously the dude has great talent and its always good to upgrade your talent but I just don't think NBA coaches, scouts, etc. believe in the guy much any more. Hes got tremendous talent and unique skill but Nellie and D'Antoni both got tired of him fast. He demanded a trade his rookie year (he was something like 18 years old and demanding playing time). Hes been cast out of rotations routinely by Nellie and D'Antoni. There were a hell of a lot of rumblings about his attitude while he was in GS and he was always super emotional, perhaps bipolar even, that you could plainly see just during games. Perhaps maturity over time will change him and maybe he needs a guy like Nate coaching him but hes already gone through a couple of good coaches who had a style that suited his game very well and tried to coach him up and discipline him the right way and he didn't respond well. Nate may be a fit personality wise but Nate's system seems all wrong for AR whose advantages can only be seen if you let him get creative and flashy.

Like I said before, why doesn't Denver want him? They're blowing it up. You'd think they want a guy with a ton of potential instead of a mid-late first round pick who will most likely be a role player or a bust. How could a guy with that much talent be cast off so quickly by Nellie and D'Antoni. Once more, the talent is there but it seems like a lot of NBA people have given up on the guy. Hes still very young and could turn it around quick but there are big time red flags with him.
 
BTW heres a big mix of his rookie year:

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Nikolokolus said:
I hate to call him "racist" but he did the same thing with Blake too ...





Already there.
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He does the same thing with Brandon Roy. Its a middle class cultural thing. Not a racist thing. He identifies with these guys.
 
Hypothetically speaking, how do you use Randolph on this team?

He's a 7-foot SF/PF/C tweener?
 
Here's my simple take.....

He cant be worse then....

Cunningham, pryz, babbit, Rudy
 
Minstrel said:
It's comforting to know that he could still be something, considering he's reached the fairly old age of 21.

Late career revival, perhaps. He's left that 20 year old of limitless potential long behind him, but maybe he's still got something left.
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Eh, maybe you hadn't heard the stuff I had about him. People were pumping him up to be a star.
 
Run BJM said:
I posted this about AR a few months ago in a different AR thread in the Portland forum:



And here's another post I made in another PDX Anthony Randolph thread that has more to do with the path of his career:


Obviously the dude has great talent and its always good to upgrade your talent but I just don't think NBA coaches, scouts, etc. believe in the guy much any more. Hes got tremendous talent and unique skill but Nellie and D'Antoni both got tired of him fast. He demanded a trade his rookie year (he was something like 18 years old and demanding playing time). Hes been cast out of rotations routinely by Nellie and D'Antoni. There were a hell of a lot of rumblings about his attitude while he was in GS and he was always super emotional, perhaps bipolar even, that you could plainly see just during games. Perhaps maturity over time will change him and maybe he needs a guy like Nate coaching him but hes already gone through a couple of good coaches who had a style that suited his game very well and tried to coach him up and discipline him the right way and he didn't respond well. Nate may be a fit personality wise but Nate's system seems all wrong for AR whose advantages can only be seen if you let him get creative and flashy.

Like I said before, why doesn't Denver want him? They're blowing it up. You'd think they want a guy with a ton of potential instead of a mid-late first round pick who will most likely be a role player or a bust. How could a guy with that much talent be cast off so quickly by Nellie and D'Antoni. Once more, the talent is there but it seems like a lot of NBA people have given up on the guy. Hes still very young and could turn it around quick but there are big time red flags with him.
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Thanks for the insight BJM. I figured there had to be a reason why both teams would want him gone. Teams don't just give up on talented, young, big guys for no reason. Just look at Darius Miles. Cleveland moved him for Jeff McInnis and many of us thought he was a steal after his first season here. Then he went into headcase mode, got injured, and the rest is history...

Still, I think I'd make the move just because I'd rather take a chance on AR rather than draft another mid-to-late first rounder.
 
I don't understand what happened to this kid either. Can't get minutes on 2 teams now?. I would think he would fit perfectly with running teams like GS and NY. I think he is worth the chance unless he as a really bad attitude.
 
LameR said:
Eh, maybe you hadn't heard the stuff I had about him. People were pumping him up to be a star.
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He's 21. He could still be a star. I think it's a little early to be congratulating yourself on pegging him as nothing special. That's all.

To be clear, I'm not saying he will be a star. Just that acting like he's essentially shown what he's going to be at 21, the age of many rookies, is a bit silly in my opinion.

I'll also note that the PER he put up at age 19 and 20 were great for his age and very in keeping with star potential. It's only been this season that has been weak on the court. I don't doubt that he's had some concerning attitude issues, which he'll need to get past...but I think he's shown that he has tremendous potential as far as his play on the court.
 
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Nikolokolus said:
I hate to call him "racist" but he did the same thing with Blake too ...


Already there.
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Yeah and he did the same thing with Roy too, and Oden, and LMA and Bayless, and Martel, and Camby, and ........do I really need to fucking go on? Jesus you guys talk about what a Homer MB is and now it just the white guys?
 
http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/knicksblog/walsh_suggests_knicks_could_randolph_eN9rtqNCUKQSjoSe03cKGL

Knicks president Donnie Walsh, while addressing the Anthony Randolph situation before Monday's game vs. the Suns, said not only can he get one first-round pick in a trade, but possibly two.

The remark raised eyebrows only because the Nuggets require two first-round picks in any Carmelo Anthony trade. For now, the Knicks are on the outside looking in, waiting for the Nets' deal to crash. The Nuggets would get two first-rounders from the Nets in a proposed trade.

The Knicks are not allowed to trade their 2011 pick under league rules because teams can't go two straight years without one.

As reported in The Post on Saturday, agent Bill Duffy told Walsh in a meeting that Randolph is interested in being traded if he continues not to play. The Post reported earlier this week Walsh is wavering on whether he wants to deal Randolph to Minnesota for a first-round pick – which is on the table. Indiana and Portland have also been mentioned as possibilities.

"I believe I can (get a first-rounder),'' Walsh reiterated. "I'll let you guys figure it out.''

When asked if he can get more than one, Walsh retorted, "I can probably get more than one. I'm not going to say how many. But I'm confident I can get a first round pick.''
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I would think he could get a first for Landry Fields. We have a logjam at the spot, but I'd give up the later of our two firsts for him. He could probably get one for Chandler as well. if for some reason Denver didn't like their players, and wanted picks, say, two picks and Gallinari, then it could be the Knicks trading Gallinari, Fields and Randolph for Carmelo.
 
RR7 said:
I would think he could get a first for Landry Fields. We have a logjam at the spot, but I'd give up the later of our two firsts for him. He could probably get one for Chandler as well. if for some reason Denver didn't like their players, and wanted picks, say, two picks and Gallinari, then it could be the Knicks trading Gallinari, Fields and Randolph for Carmelo.
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they view Fields like we do Batum, he's not being traded for a mid round first
 
If they were keeping the first, I absolutely agree. But they can't look at it as Landry for a first but, if for some odd reason, Denver prefered a first to Fields, they look at it as Fields and Gallinari for Carmelo.
 
I just wish the team would do anything to improve the backup 4 depth. Cunningham plays hard and all but he is purely overmatched from a physical perspective. If you watch his play he gets driven out of position a lot, and if he doesn't time his leap right he can't even contend for rebounds. I am not sure what Cho is waiting for in order to rectify this, because to me it is the most obvious glaring weakness on the team, and would help solidify the bench the most.
 
He's horrible this year, can't even make the Knicks rotation.
 
Yeah, there's no way that NYK is giving up Fields. They'd have to be nuts. A SG with good size, who doesn't need his number called, is a willing rebounder (in fact, great at it), can hit the deepball if it presents itself and is a solid defender. Oh, did I mention he's making 2nd round rookie contract type money as well.

He's going nowhere.
 
MickZagger said:
Yeah, there's no way that NYK is giving up Fields. They'd have to be nuts. A SG with good size, who doesn't need his number called, is a willing rebounder (in fact, great at it), can hit the deepball if it presents itself and is a solid defender. Oh, did I mention he's making 2nd round rookie contract type money as well.

He's going nowhere.
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I don't think they are either. Was just saying, Walsh was mocked for saying he could get multiple firsts, but he could if he really wanted or needed to.
 
If I am NY, Randolph just became a little more expensive for Portland
 
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