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-15 in 3 minutes played. I didn't even know that was possible.

And now with Zach out, we're going to see more of him, not less.

Pau, come back quickly.
 
What is his current PER after tonight, can’t find it!!
 
THE HCP said:
What is his current PER after tonight, can’t find it!!
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Before tonight it was -8.16 with only one player worse than him Dennis Smith Jr of the Knicks at -10.92 but after tonight I am sure Tolliver is at the bottom
 
Tolliver has had a postive per every other year he has played except the other year he played for us...an -11.47. I guess he is trying to set a new record this year
 
Tolliver vs Smith

this was posted on RealGM tonight:

"There are drop-offs and then there are D-R-O-P-O-F-F-S. Hyperbole is easily abused and my memory has been totally destroyed by Twitter, as I've written many times previously. I just can't recall ever seeing a stretch of basketball in which a substitution caused the type of swift and total destruction that Nolan Smith's entry for Lillard brought in the first quarter of this game.


The numbers are flabbergasting. In less than three minutes of action, Smith finished with zero points, zero rebounds, zero assists, zero steals, zero blocks, shot zero-for-zero from the field, committed three turnovers and was a -17. His three turnovers all were inexcusable and led directly to seven points from three lay-ups (one with an and-one). He turned blindly into a double team on one of them, his soft perimeter pass was intercepted on the second, and his pocket was picked on the third.


Blazers coach Terry Stotts even called a 20-second timeout following the first 12 points of the 17-point run. It was one of those "OK, WTF, get your head in the game, guys" timeouts that was promptly followed up by five more points being conceded in a row. If the goal was to stop the bleeding, that timeout worked about as well as putting a dinosaur band-aid on a land mine mangled leg. By halftime, the score was 62-45. In the 21:23 that Smith wasn't on the court, the score was tied 45-45. During the 2:37 that he was on the court, the Bucks won 17-0.


Just to reinforce the impact of that substitution: this stretch was the equivalent of Smith making a free throw into the Bucks' hoop every 9.2 seconds for as long as he stayed on the court with everyone else on both teams just standing around watching him."

https://www.blazersedge.com/2013/1/20/3895264/media-row-report-bucks-110-blazers-104

that's pretty funny
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I'm just hoping and praying that the short leash from last night was a harbinger of Stotts being DONE with the Tolliver experiment.
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I think this forum needs to relax on the Tolliver bashing especially since it is only 3 games into the season and Stotts has adjusted his minutes accordingly. The guy has been an established veteran in the league and I expect there will be times he will show much better. This forum seems to need a player(s) to bash on.
 
CupWizier said:
I think this forum needs to relax on the Tolliver bashing especially since it is only 3 games into the season and Stotts has adjusted his minutes accordingly. The guy has been an established veteran in the league and I expect there will be times he will show much better. This forum seems to need a player(s) to bash on.
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How about you post however you want about Tolliver, and everybody else does the same, without anyone telling any how they should post about any player in particular?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
How about you post however you want about Tolliver, and everybody else does the same, without anyone telling any how they should post about any player in particular?
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lighten up francis. I'll post my opinion any time and any way I want and you are free to do the same even if you don't like it.
 
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I'll post what I've posted in the Collins thread since it actually belongs here, and I took the time to research something so I'm gonna milk it.


Tolliver has shared the court with Dame, our best player by a wide margin, for 22 minutes. He is -28 in those
Here are our other bench players with Dame in comparison:

Simons: +6 in 18min
Hezonja: +11 in 25min
Bazemore: +11 in 53min
Labissiere: +5 in 7min

I've checked the starters too just to be sure, but no one is close to being in the minus while playing with Dame. -28 in 22 minutes is really an impressive feat.

He is also -17 in 10 minutes shared with both Dame and CJ


Conclusion: sit his ass down.
 
SIeepwalker said:
I'll post what I've posted in the Collins thread since it actually belongs here, and I took the time to research something so I'm gonna milk it.


Tolliver has shared the court with Dame, our best player by a wide margin, for 22 minutes. He is -28 in those
Here are our other bench players with Dame in comparison:

Simons: +6 in 18min
Hezonja: +11 in 25min
Bazemore: +11 in 53min
Labissiere: +5 in 7min

I've checked the starters too just to be sure, but no one is close to being in the minus while playing with Dame. -28 in 22 minutes is really an impressive feat.

He is also -17 in 10 minutes shared with both Dame and CJ


Conclusion: sit his ass down.
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I'm not sure 3 games is enough of a sample size (especially at the start of a season with a bunch of new parts), but it certainly hasn't been a great start for Tolliver. My biggest concern so far is not Tolliver but the perimeter defense as a whole.

I am of the opinion that if Stotts believes Tolliver has a role he can play that Stotts should give him 5-10 games to see if it ever clicks before he bails on it. If it was the playoffs you have to react literally in a game, but the NBA season is so long, and some players just take longer to acclimate.

I totally understand it has not been a good start, he's looked pretty bad, and has done basically nothing, I also wonder what the upside is, Tolliver isn't young, IMO they'd be better off developing young players if the production will be that bad, but I'm ok with Stotts giving it some time if he wants to see if it ever works. The real good news is this road trip will be at least a .500 one.
 
SIeepwalker said:
I'll post what I've posted in the Collins thread since it actually belongs here, and I took the time to research something so I'm gonna milk it.


Tolliver has shared the court with Dame, our best player by a wide margin, for 22 minutes. He is -28 in those
Here are our other bench players with Dame in comparison:

Simons: +6 in 18min
Hezonja: +11 in 25min
Bazemore: +11 in 53min
Labissiere: +5 in 7min

I've checked the starters too just to be sure, but no one is close to being in the minus while playing with Dame. -28 in 22 minutes is really an impressive feat.

He is also -17 in 10 minutes shared with both Dame and CJ


Conclusion: sit his ass down.
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Terry: by sit do you mean start?

I can already hear Terry’s reasoning now. Wanna get him going. Don’t wanna mess with the rotation. Blah blah.
 
CupWizier said:
lighten up francis. I'll post my opinion any time and any way I want and you are free to do the same even if you don;t like it.
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You do realize exactly how hypocritical this post is, right?
  • "I don't want Tolliver to play anymore"
  • "This forum shouldn't bash Tolliver"
  • "People should be able to post however they want (about the Blazers) without being told how to post"
  • "I'll post my opinion in any way I want!"
Yeah, that's why it's pretty silly for you to be telling people that they shouldn't be posting their opinion however they want.

Yes, you can post however you want, but if your post is ridiculous, it will be identified as such. Such is forum life.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I'm not sure 3 games is enough of sample size (especially at the start of a season with a bunch of new parts), but it certainly hasn't been a great start for Tolliver. My biggest concern so far is not Tolliver but the perimeter defense as a whole.

I am of the opinion that if Stotts believes Tolliver has a role he can play that Stotts should give him 5-10 games to see if it ever clicks before he bails on it. If it was the playoffs you have to react literally in a game, but the NBA season is so long, and some players just take longer to acclimate.

I totally understand it has not been a good start, he's looked pretty bad, and has done basically nothing, I also wonder what the upside is, Tolliver isn't young, IMO they'd be better off developing young players if the production will be that bad, but I'm ok with Stotts giving it some time if he wants to see if it ever works. The real good news is this road trip will be at least a .500 one.
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The first part of a season is suppose to be a feeling out time to see who and what works well together. There is no doubt that Tolliver has stunk so far and his minutes were adjusted due to that, but there could be a time he will get it and actually be productive. That's why coaches often go 10-11 deep in the early part of the season and then evolve into a more consistent rotation. Tolliver is the forum whipping boy right now and some are even using it as a way to bash Stotts.
 
Tollivers numbers last season

8.6 PER
.571 TS%
-2.2 BPM
-o.1 VORP

So, this may very well not just be a slump. His shooting percentages from outside, the one thing he does do, is streaky as shit too. Just look at his percentages by month last season

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PtldPlatypus said:
You do realize exactly how hypocritical this post is, right?
  • "I don't want Tolliver to play anymore"
  • "This forum shouldn't bash Tolliver"
  • "People should be able to post however they want (about the Blazers) without being told how to post"
  • "I'll post my opinion in any way I want!"
Yeah, that's why it's pretty silly for you to be telling people that they shouldn't be posting their opinion however they want.

Yes, you can post however you want, but if your post is ridiculous, it will be identified as such. Such is forum life.
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What I said basically was relax on the bashing as it's only 3 games into the season. If you want to make premature opinions then so be it, but expect to be called out for "ridiculous" opinions as well.

Please quote me correctly next time as well.
 
Scalma said:
Tollivers numbers last season

8.6 PER
.571 TS%
-2.2 BPM
-o.1 VORP

So, this may very well not just be a slump.
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So currently his PER is -9 so, it probably is a slump. Yes the bar isnt that high to begin with, and Im not sure theres an argument to be made there is a lot of upside there but going from 8.6 for a season to -9 is a slump...
 
CupWizier said:
\What I said basically was relax on the bashing as it's only 3 games into the season. If you want to make premature opinions then so be it, but expect to be called out for "ridiculous" opinions as well.

Please quote me correctly next time as well.
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I was paraphrasing. No meaning was changed. I stand by my post.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I'm not sure 3 games is enough of sample size (especially at the start of a season with a bunch of new parts), but it certainly hasn't been a great start for Tolliver. My biggest concern so far is not Tolliver but the perimeter defense as a whole.

I am of the opinion that if Stotts believes Tolliver has a role he can play that Stotts should give him 5-10 games to see if it ever clicks before he bails on it. If it was the playoffs you have to react literally in a game, but the NBA season is so long, and some players just take longer to acclimate.

I totally understand it has not been a good start, he's looked pretty bad, and has done basically nothing, I also wonder what the upside is, Tolliver isn't young, IMO they'd be better off developing young players if the production will be that bad, but I'm ok with Stotts giving it some time if he wants to see if it ever works. The real good news is this road trip will be at least a .500 one.
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What TBF said and I'll add...

Tolliver looks bad, and has his entire tenure with the Blazers, but he MIGHT have something to offer. I like what Stotts is doing in trying to get him acclimated. Shooters are nice to have. Although dude seems a step and a half too slow thus far...

That being said, if we are going big at the 4 I'd rather see (I fucking love) Skal, or if we are going small then (sometimes Super) Mario. Those guys will potentially surprise, while everyone knows Tolliver's ceiling and it ain't half as high.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
So currently his PER is -9 so, it probably is a slump. Yes the bar isnt that high to begin with, and Im not sure theres an argument to be made there is a lot of upside there but going from 8.6 for a season to -9 is a slump...
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A per of 8.6 isn’t good, so ok I guess he’s slumping from bad to awful. Either way, shouldn’t be on the court.
 
Scalma said:
A per of 8.6 isn’t good, so ok I guess he’s slumping from bad to awful. Either way, shouldn’t be on the court.
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ONLY THREE FUCKING MINUTES LAST NIGHT.

Man, the shit this forum whines about is hilarious.
 
even Stauskas looked like Larry Bird compared to Tolliver
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
So currently his PER is -9 so, it probably is a slump. Yes the bar isnt that high to begin with, and Im not sure theres an argument to be made there is a lot of upside there but going from 8.6 for a season to -9 is a slump...
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An 8.6 is a slump and a sure sign someone shouldn't be playing in the NBA given his age, especially considering his apparent age.
 
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