Anyone have thoughts on Elizabeth Warren for Pres?

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santeesioux said:
Another whitey trying to pass off as a Native for votes, no thanks.
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That's all I can remember her for doing. Tauting herself as " part Cherokee".
A better description might "complete liar".
 
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That's the argument her last opponent trotted out time and time again, making him look petty and unwilling to tackle the issues. If this is used on a national scale, it will be like the birther movement and just get laughs and end up helping Warren. This is a bs line of attack and one that I hope the republicans jump on if she does decide to run for pres.
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So you're fine with her pretending to be a minority in order to use affirmative action in order to get into academia. I wonder which real Native's spot she took?

She's a liar. America doesn't care, so she'll be great for America.
 
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So far I haven't seen anything to suggest Warren is in the pockets of anyone, like is the case with the vast majority of politicians. Perhaps that will change, but so far she has been a very vocal advocate for consumer rights, worker rights, and attacked very fervently the banking, investing and money service companies in America. As someone who is looking to sell out, this seems like exactly the wrong avenue to go.
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Wait till she has to rely on campaign money. Can't win elections without money.
 
MarAzul said:
That's all I can remember her for doing. Tauting herself as " part Cherokee".
A better description might "complete liar".
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She also lied about being a licensed attorney. But hey, she's for workers' rights.

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She a liar who cheated the system. Perfect for the Democrats and their base.

In the mid-1980′s through the mid-1990′s Elizabeth Warren filled out biographical forms for the Association of American Law Schools (AALS) identifying herself as Native American.

That self-designation was based solely on Warren’s family “lore” not genealogical research, and resulted in Warren being included on a list of “Minority Law Professors” in the AALS annual directory. That listing would have put Warren in a position to benefit from the desire of law schools to diversify their faculties.

Warren apparently did nothing else to follow up on her alleged heritage, such as seeking tribal membership or publicly identifying herself as Native American, even though she says her alleged Native American heritage was a frequent topic of family conversation.

When The Boston Herald discovered that Harvard Law School in 1996 was promoting Warren as Native American, Warren pleaded ignorance, and denied ever identifying as Native American in any professional capacity.
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Treaty_of_Batum said:
Wait till she has to rely on campaign money. Can't win elections without money.
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And this is the crux of the problem we have in America at being able to get quality politicians into office. They need to sell out to get elected. Or at least so far that's been the case for high level positions over the past couple decades. I don't know if Warren could pull off a more crappily funded campaign, but I think she would need to get a real grass roots effort or she would have to sell out.
 
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And this is the crux of the problem we have in America at being able to get quality politicians into office. They need to sell out to get elected. Or at least so far that's been the case for high level positions over the past couple decades. I don't know if Warren could pull off a more crappily funded campaign, but I think she would need to get a real grass roots effort or she would have to sell out.
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It is a big problem. I have a friend very tied into Oregon politics (lobbies in Salem) Whenever I ask who is going to win or why, it almost always comes down to who has the most money in the campaign. Personally i've been to the neighborhood BBQs, patio dinners, meet and greet lunches where you meet the politician and then take out your checkbook.

Problem is I think there are some real good people out there with some good intentions, but if they don't play the campaign fund raising game, they don't stand a chance. Some politicians have tried the "won't accept anything over $500 from any individual or entity" but their downfall seems to be they don't have the money to deal with the smear campaigns from the other side.

The whole thing fund rasing is weird . . . there has been at least a couple checks I have written where someone from the campaign calls me to ask questions about the money and would like me to clarify it by writing a new check from my personal checkbook or writing a note on the check. When I ask what if I don't, they politely say that is OK but they are going to void my current check. So I actually don't think all politician lie and some try to do it the right way. But on a day where another school shooting happens and two other kids are found with guns on them at school . . . I'm in a bad mood and fall back to all politicians will sell out.
 
jlprk said:
How many times have I seen this. If a thread starts to go Democratic, Republicans jump in with, "Both parties are bad." But if a thread is going Republican, they stay centered on their anti-Democrat message.
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I only ever found one Democrat that that didn't make me think, Dork! So I voted for him, JFK. Turns out he wasn't very bright.
 
MarAzul said:
I only ever found one Democrat that that didn't make me think, Dork! So I voted for him, JFK.
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I understand why you voted for the one Democrat that didn't make you think. But why are you calling jlprk a Dork?

barfo
 
You can say I look, post, and think like a dork, but Denny says you can't say I'm a dork, because Denny loves me.
 
Okay that leaves just one thing left. You're a judge!

Higher than I thought.
 
She is promoting her book. She is not a pimp.

For the record I don't think she is going to run. At least not in 2016.
But who knows?
 
crandc said:
She is promoting her book. She is not a pimp.

For the record I don't think she is going to run. At least not in 2016.
But who knows?
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pimping in the way I used it was not meant to be derogatory, just an way to say promoting. As I hope you could tell from my post, I would be very excited to see her run, as I can't think of a single other Democrat who is likely to run that I consider half as honest and for the people as Warren. I only know her stances on economic issues, and her outspoken willingness to take on large money organizations, but from what I have seen, she's awesome.
 
I could see you are a supporter of Warren and usually we're on the same page - or at least respectful. But "pimp" is a hateful person and I could never see it as a compliment or a neutral term. Like someone once saying here that calling a woman a whore was somehow a compliment, in what universe?

I tend to agree with you on liking her, but Warren has zero foreign policy experience, I think she'd get killed in primaries. My concern is that if Hillary Clinton is "anointed" nominee there will be no real discussion of policy; what Clinton says goes.

Some have suggested a Clinton/Warren ticket, the two wings of the Democratic Party, but I just don't think Clinton would pick another woman as her running mate, despite the fact that in all but two elections the "major" parties had no trouble running two men!

That being said, anyone read her book yet? Comments?
 
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Warren attended Rutgers University school of law. The National Law Journal repeatedly has named Warren as one of the Fifty Most Influential Women Attorneys in America,and in 2010 it honored her as one of the 40 most influential attorneys of the decade. Not sure where fake lawyer came from (probably some web site, copied and pasted until it became "fact" for people too lazy to spend 2 minutes on Google.)

Wikipedia on Native American controversy:
In April 2012, the Boston Herald drew attention to Warren's law directory entries from 1986 to 1995, in which she had self-identified as having Native American ancestry. Because of these entries, Harvard Law School had added her to a list of minority professors in response to criticisms about a lack of faculty diversity. Warren said that she was unaware that Harvard had done so until she read about it in a newspaper. According to Warren and her brothers, they grew up "listening to our mother and grandmother and other relatives talk about our family’s Cherokee and Delaware heritage". The New England Historical Genealogical Society found no documentary proof of Warren having Native American lineage, but a spokesperson from the Oklahoma Historical Society said "finding a definitive answer about Native American heritage can be difficult, not only because of intermarriage, but also because some Native Americans opted not to be put on federal rolls, while others who were not Native American did put their names on rolls to get access to land." Her ethnicity claims became the focus of the media's election coverage for a certain time, during which her opponents bought ads asking her for explanations and to "come clean about her motivations" and some members of the Cherokee Nation asked how her claim influenced universities interested in hiring her. Colleagues and supervisors at the schools where she had worked publicly supported her statement that she did not receive preferential treatment. In polls, 72% of voters said the issue would not impact their vote in the election
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In other words, her supporters consider it unimportant, her opponents will hate her regardless. Very much like "birthers".
 
crandc said:
Wikipedia on Native American controversy:
In other words, her supporters consider it unimportant, her opponents will hate her regardless. Very much like "birthers".
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Wiki is about your speed. No surprise there. Those who support her don't mind that she cut in line, so to speak, in order to advance her career by claiming to be a minority. To liberals like you, I guess this is an admirable trait.
 
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