Anyone know why Muslims hate being photographed?

[DaLincolnJones]

OK, DLJ.

Here's an article from TownHall.com, which is a conservative site. It's written by Danesh D'Souza, who I believe to be guided by Reason much of the time. He's been president of universities and advisor to presidents. He's written a number of books, his latest very critical of Obama and huge sellers.

http://townhall.com/columnists/dineshdsouza/2008/09/15/who_speaks_for_islam/page/full

This book is a huge embarrassment to some conservatives who, based on no data and very little familiarity with the Muslim world, have been portraying Muslims as violent theocrats who reject modern science, modern democracy and modern capitalism and spend most of their day performing honor killings and genital mutilations. This portrait of the Muslim world is about as accurate as that of a Muslim who believes that typical Americans live their daily lives according to the values of "Natural Born Killers" and "Brokeback Mountain."

Hmmmmm Did I qt some text from that book? Ii did not see it on second look..

 

[Denny Crane]

damn, Denny..hahahhahahaaa Neo Nazi?

Not my cup of tea, but here is the author http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Ibrahim

Here is Jihad Watch Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad_Watch their web page is down, so there is not a ton to judge by.

Follow the links http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Horowitz_Freedom_Center

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FrontPage_Magazine

I will give you, about as far right as one can be, but I find nothing that identifies him or the author as Nazi. In fact everything about Jewish people or Israel is pro. I will admit that I only grabbed the article because it was a strong contrast to the others, yet still followed the history cleanly.

The stuff you are posting from is anti-semitic. Against ARABS, not Jews.

It's really transparent.

Look at what D'Souza wrote. Read the whole article. It details how Gallup surveyed Muslims in 35 countries and the answers they gave do not at all jive with anything you've posted about Muslims.

 

[Denny Crane]

Hmmmmm Did I qt some text from that book? Ii did not see it on second look..

Read the link. It is a right wing conservative (D'Souza) saying the results of the Gallup polls are a huge embarrassment o some conservatives who, based on no data and very little familiarity with the Muslim world, have been portraying Muslims as violent theocrats who reject modern science, modern democracy and modern capitalism and spend most of their day performing honor killings and genital mutilations. This portrait of the Muslim world is about as accurate as that of a Muslim who believes that typical Americans live their daily lives according to the values of "Natural Born Killers" and "Brokeback Mountain."

The bold part is verbatim what D'Souza (conservative) wrote.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Yeah..Denny, Brother, I got that..this is what she is referencing from what I can tell..

Who Speaks for Islam, written by John Esposito and Dalia Mogahed, is one of the most important books on the War on Terror. In the seven years since 9/11, we have been subjected to all kinds of ignorant pontification--much of it from the left, but some also from the right--on "why they hate us." This book, written by a leading scholar of Islam and the head of the Gallup Center for Muslim Studies, brings a wealth of real data to bear on this important subject


I dont know this book..but, hell, Rush Limbaugh has books that get as much heat..huh..

 

[Denny Crane]

D'Souza is a he.

Dinesh D'Souza (Konkani: दिनेश डिसूज़ा; born April 25, 1961) is a political commentator, author, former Reagan policy analyst, and a former president of King's College.[2] He was Robert and Karen Rishwain Research Fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University.[3] D'Souza is a prominent voice in American politics and has been affiliated with a number of conservative organizations and publications, including the American Enterprise Institute, Heritage Foundation, Hoover Institution, and Policy Review.[4] He also served as a policy advisor to President Ronald Reagan.[5][6] D'Souza is the author of numerous New York Times best-selling books.[7] He has written on Christian apologetics, including What's So Great About Christianity and Life After Death: The Evidence. D'Souza is also a notable critic of New Atheism.[8][9][10][11]

In 2012, D'Souza released 2016: Obama's America, a film based on his 2010 book The Roots of Obama's Rage, both of which posit that Barack Obama's attitude toward America derives from his father's anti-colonialism and from a psychological desire to fulfill his father's dream of diminishing the power of Western imperial states. Critics have said the film is presented in a "conspiratorial tone" and contains speculation and projection.[12][13] The film has been the highest grossing conservative political film produced in the United States.[14]

(The roots of rage book and the film were all the rage in the Sean Hannity fan club circles).

 

[DaLincolnJones]

The stuff you are posting from is anti-semitic. Against ARABS, not Jews.

It's really transparent.

Look at what D'Souza wrote. Read the whole article. It details how Gallup surveyed Muslims in 35 countries and the answers they gave do not at all jive with anything you've posted about Muslims.

ohh, so history is not predictive of future behavior...so all the bombings and acts of terror end when? The modern world breaths a sigh of relief...

 

[Denny Crane]

Yeah..Denny, Brother, I got that..this is what she is referencing from what I can tell..

Who Speaks for Islam, written by John Esposito and Dalia Mogahed, is one of the most important books on the War on Terror. In the seven years since 9/11, we have been subjected to all kinds of ignorant pontification--much of it from the left, but some also from the right--on "why they hate us." This book, written by a leading scholar of Islam and the head of the Gallup Center for Muslim Studies, brings a wealth of real data to bear on this important subject


I dont know this book..but, hell, Rush Limbaugh has books that get as much heat..huh..

Limbaugh was hawking D'Souza's books and movies:

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2...obama_s_america_and_expendables_2_is_good_too

 

[MarAzul]

OK, DLJ.

Here's an article from TownHall.com, which is a conservative site. It's written by Danesh D'Souza, who I believe to be guided by Reason much of the time. He's been president of universities and advisor to presidents. He's written a number of books, his latest very critical of Obama and huge sellers.

http://townhall.com/columnists/dineshdsouza/2008/09/15/who_speaks_for_islam/page/full

This book is a huge embarrassment to some conservatives who, based on no data and very little familiarity with the Muslim world, have been portraying Muslims as violent theocrats who reject modern science, modern democracy and modern capitalism and spend most of their day performing honor killings and genital mutilations. This portrait of the Muslim world is about as accurate as that of a Muslim who believes that typical Americans live their daily lives according to the values of "Natural Born Killers" and "Brokeback Mountain."

It matters not what "most" Muslims believe. It does matter what they do, what they export.
Seven of the 10 worst terrorist attacks in recent history have been brought to us by the Muslims. Every act has backup in the Koran, the book of Islam.

The only Muslim to help find Ben Laden has been jailed for his treason.

 

[Denny Crane]

ohh, so history is not predictive of future behavior...so all the bombings and acts of terror end when? The modern world breaths a sigh of relief...

Full circle to Hoojack's question. WHY are a teeny fraction of the 1.2B muslims performing terrorist acts? (A tiny fraction of christians do, too).

And my question: Who ever expects the spanish inquisition?

You do know about the inquisition, right?

 

[Denny Crane]

It matters not what "most" Muslims believe. It does matter what they do, what they export.
Seven of the 10 worst terrorist attacks in recent history have been brought to us by the Muslims. Every act has backup in the Koran, the book of Islam.

The only Muslim to help find Ben Laden has been jailed for his treason.

You almost got it right.

One of the worst attacks in recent history was brought to us by Bin Laden.

 

[MarAzul]

You almost got it right.

One of the worst attacks in recent history was brought to us by Bin Laden.

Yes he was a leader of a Holy War (Jihad).

 

[Denny Crane]

Yes he was a leader of a Holy War (Jihad).

He persuaded very few to follow him.

Muslims were our allies in Afghanistan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Alliance

The Afghan Northern Alliance, officially known as the United Islamic Front for the Salvation of Afghanistan

...

After the attacks of September 11 in the United States in 2001, the United Front succeeded in retaking Kabul from the Taliban with air support from US-led forces during Operation Enduring Freedom.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Full circle to Hoojack's question. WHY are a teeny fraction of the 1.2B muslims performing terrorist acts? (A tiny fraction of christians do, too).

And my question: Who ever expects the spanish inquisition?

You do know about the inquisition, right?

Careful, Wiki is full of hate speech http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism

I have answered both questions already, but above are a few reasons why

the inquisition was an isolated event that would not be permitted to occur in modern times..but direct to your question, Only leaders corrupt and pervert religion for their own uses, So they would be the "who". I dont see religion being allowed to possess such power in the western world.

 

[Denny Crane]

1.2 BILLION Muslims.

Here's the size of Al Qaeda's army:

Looks like a few thousand. Out of 1.2 BILLION.

 

[Denny Crane]

Careful, Wiki is full of hate speech http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism

I have answered both questions already, but above are a few reasons why

the inquisition was an isolated event that would not be permitted to occur in modern times..but direct to your question, Only leaders corrupt and pervert religion for their own uses, So they would be the "who". I dont see religion being allowed to possess such power in the western world.

Isolated event? Are you kidding?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones - along the same lines as your Islamic Terrorism wiki page. About the same number of participants, too.

 

[MarAzul]

Isolated event? Are you kidding?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones - along the same lines as your Islamic Terrorism wiki page. About the same number of participants, too.

Did you read the Koran Denny?

 

[Denny Crane]

Did you read the Koran Denny?

Did you read the old testament? How many battles where the victors pillaged and raped and even committed genocide (killed everyone)?

Do Christians kill adulterers as the bible says they should?

 

[MarAzul]

Oh my! I guess that would be a no.

The old testament in not the teachings of Jesus and Christianity. That is a portion of the Jewish Talmud include in the cannons creating the Bible. Probably written by
Rabbis down through the ages of Hebrew history. Some from the point of view of Judah and some by Israel Rabbis. Included in the Bible I suppose as the history of the Hebrews
as a back drop to the origin of Christianity. Same God but New messenger and message in Jesus.

No I don't think Christians do kill adulterers but
I am the interloper here I shall let a true Christian answer your question. However, killing anyone for breaking Commandments is not specified by any teachings of Jesus
that I can remember. Quite the opposite, "Vengeance is mine say the Lord" "Let them who is without sin cast the first stone". These come to mine as the teaching of
Jesus. You really should read the Koran, the teachings of Muhammad are striking in comparison to the teaching of Jesus. Or Budda for that matter and Krishna too.
Nothing like it in scripture any where.

Now that you mention it, I don't think Moses specified any punishments for breaking any of the 10 Commandments. Some Rabbi may have invented a few.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

So to summarize, all Muslims are bad. Actually evil. They all want to strap bombs to their bodies and blow up Christians. None of them have ever done a good deed, an act of kindness, to do such things would go against the teachings in the Koran. We should kill all of them before they kill all of us.

/CloseThread

 

[MarAzul]

So to summarize, all Muslims are bad. Actually evil. They all want to strap bombs to their bodies and blow up Christians. None of them have ever done a good deed, an act of kindness, to do such things would go against the teachings in the Koran. We should kill all of them before they kill all of us.

/CloseThread

Did Denny teach you to generalize and ignore the salient?

 

[Denny Crane]

Oh my. Bin Laden was evil, therefore all Muslims are? Do tell.

Those evil Muslims started the revolutionary war, the war of 1812, civil war, World War I, II, Korea, Vietnam, and so on! They also burned heretics and witches at the stake.... My bad, it was Christians that did that. An "isolated incident" that repeatedly occurred for several centuries.

It was surely those Muslims who massacred the American Indians in the 1800s.

Adolph was Catholic. By the measures thrown about here, he represents all Christians.

You paint with a broad brush, and you missed.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Did Denny teach you to generalize and ignore the salient?

Actually Denny was adding some shades of gray to a black and white argument. If I could ban him I would.

 

[MarAzul]

Oh my. Bin Laden was evil, therefore all Muslims are? Do tell.

Those evil Muslims started the revolutionary war, the war of 1812, civil war, World War I, II, Korea, Vietnam, and so on! They also burned heretics and witches at the stake.... My bad, it was Christians that did that. An "isolated incident" that repeatedly occurred for several centuries.

It was surely those Muslims who massacred the American Indians in the 1800s.

Adolph was Catholic. By the measures thrown about here, he represents all Christians.

You paint with a broad brush, and you missed.

Ha! Now we have it! The rant of a man that has actually read nothing!
Pure spouting out your arse now and thank you so much for displaying the total sum
of your knowledge.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

cool beans

one link to a list of 2013 only. I really do not have the time to type it all out this AM.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2013.htm

Swing and a miss. I'm trying to get you to provide any independent analysis of why you think the way you do and you say sure, and then post a link to religionofpeace.com. There are no words.

I want you to do your own work. You seem to be forming your opinions on gut feelings and anti-Islam sites. Did you know that real life is more nuanced than that?

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

ohh, so history is not predictive of future behavior...so all the bombings and acts of terror end when? The modern world breaths a sigh of relief...

You'd have a better idea of the steps one needs to take to end suicide bombings and terrorism if you understood the issue instead of cherry picking verses from the Qur'an and frothing at the mouth about it.

edit: okay, I guess that's MarAzul cherry picking from the Qur'an. You haven't even offered analysis at that level

 

[Denny Crane]

If you say so.

 

[jlprk]

Here yah go Hoo! The top 10 terrorist events of recent history.
At least 7 of the 10 are by Islamic groups for what ever excuse. Why don't you enlighten us on the context and justification of these despicable acts.

The floor is yours.


http://listdose.com/top-10-largest-terrorist-attacks-ever/

#2 on the list killed only 170 people, #3 was 100 deaths, and #4 a paltry 38 dead? That's nothing compared to what Christians did to Indians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_massacre

 

[jlprk]

Wikipedia hid the numbers for each race riot. (It would make black people mad.) Wiki did that so you have to click on each one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_racial_violence_in_the_United_States

Muslim continents have nothing over non-Muslim continents.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers

Look at all the Muslims involved in U.S. school shootings. (zero)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States

Other massacres in the U.S. See any Muslims? (no)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_California#California

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

Here yah go Hoo! The top 10 terrorist events of recent history.
At least 7 of the 10 are by Islamic groups for what ever excuse. Why don't you enlighten us on the context and justification of these despicable acts.

The floor is yours.

Sorry, I'm not going to teach you the history you're so adamant you don't need to understand. And who said anything about justification? Apparently trying to understand violence in the Islamic world beyond your knee jerk intolerance is justifying terrorism. Whatever.

It matters not what "most" Muslims believe. It does matter what they do, what they export.
Seven of the 10 worst terrorist attacks in recent history have been brought to us by the Muslims. Every act has backup in the Koran, the book of Islam.

Were most Muslims involved in those terror attacks?

The only Muslim to help find Ben Laden has been jailed for his treason.

Sounds like you have a problem with Pakistan's government.

 

[maxiep]

1.2 BILLION Muslims.

Here's the size of Al Qaeda's army:

Looks like a few thousand. Out of 1.2 BILLION.

Denny, it's not the number of those who fight, it's the number that support their aims that is scary.

Religion of peace my ass. They lost the battle of modernity and are lashing out in a nihilistic fashion.