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Agree but I am still not sure what we can get that would be acceptable for the other team to give us just to move up a few spots.
Wagner would be worth it to us, but not sure about Orlando. Is Suggs a bust or just a slow start to his career? I bring up those two from Orlando because I like the idea of using our TPE. But we certainly don't have to.

What about other teams? Indiana at #7 seems to be an option. I like Durate if we intended to move Ant and Nas in a different trade. Indiana loved Durate at first but minor injuries have limited his progress, as well as depth at his position. But again another trade for someone with size would have to be the goal.
Suggs would do nothing for us. I really like Suggs as a player, but we may as well just draft Scoot than to trade down to #6 and get Suggs in return. Duarte isn't remotely good enough to warrant a trade-down to #7.

Imo, the only players worth moving down to #5 or #6 for would be Duren or Wagner, and any other players from those teams don't do anything for me.
 
Imo, the only players worth moving down to #5 or #6 for would be Duren or Wagner, and any other players from those teams don't do anything for me.

I tend to agree, but essentially you are saying that Scoot (or someone else) is so much better than anyone else at #5 or #6 that Duren or Wagner is warranted to make it a fair deal. I just can't see those other teams going for that...so I don't think we should get our hopes up. As much as it pains me I think we need to look at teams lower in the draft if the prize is a player and not a pick. But then that means we have to give up a player to match salaries.....
 
Where does all the Scoot hype come from? His High School days? Did his time in the G-League take some of the shine off (poor shooting, poor defense, losing record)?
 
Where does all the Scoot hype come from? His High School days? Did his time in the G-League take some of the shine off (poor shooting, poor defense, losing record)?
What does "hype" have to do with it? Players are evaluated by people who get paid to do that. Someone has to be at the top of the draft.
 
I tend to agree, but essentially you are saying that Scoot (or someone else) is so much better than anyone else at #5 or #6 that Duren or Wagner is warranted to make it a fair deal. I just can't see those other teams going for that...so I don't think we should get our hopes up. As much as it pains me I think we need to look at teams lower in the draft if the prize is a player and not a pick. But then that means we have to give up a player to match salaries.....
Compare Damian Lillard and Harrison Barnes.
Barnes was taken one pick after Dame.

It seems that there are Blazer fans who would now happily take a 2023 Harrison Barnes. Because, you know, size matters and the Blazers don't need another guard.
 
Compare Damian Lillard and Harrison Barnes.
Barnes was taken one pick after Dame.

It seems that there are Blazer fans who would now happily take a 2023 Harrison Barnes. Because, you know, size matters and the Blazers don't need another guard.
Compare Dame with Soup Juggler. It’s the player for sure….but in the NBA, size matters
 
Agree but I am still not sure what we can get that would be acceptable for the other team to give us just to move up a few spots.
Wagner would be worth it to us, but not sure about Orlando. Is Suggs a bust or just a slow start to his career? I bring up those two from Orlando because I like the idea of using our TPE. But we certainly don't have to.

What about other teams? Indiana at #7 seems to be an option. I like Durate if we intended to move Ant and Nas in a different trade. Indiana loved Durate at first but minor injuries have limited his progress, as well as depth at his position. But again another trade for someone with size would have to be the goal.

Yeah I think Portland should hold out for Wagner or multiple future firsts or something that is more than a bit piece. If nobody wants to swap with #3 that much then just take who we rank highest. Maybe a team at 6/7 really wants to move up and will pay it, maybe not and no deal is offered. Its hard to know how other teams rank their draft boards. Theres so many smokescreens this time of year. Blazers just have to hold firm to trades that will clearly help; and if not then don't do the trade.
 
I tend to agree, but essentially you are saying that Scoot (or someone else) is so much better than anyone else at #5 or #6 that Duren or Wagner is warranted to make it a fair deal. I just can't see those other teams going for that...so I don't think we should get our hopes up. As much as it pains me I think we need to look at teams lower in the draft if the prize is a player and not a pick. But then that means we have to give up a player to match salaries.....

I think your probably right and those teams don't do a deal. But you never know, teams can value players very differently and they may rank someone at pick #3 way above the others. I remember hearing how the Heat had offers when they took Justice Winslow of 4 future firsts or something when they took him at #10. Blazers should hold out for great value from a team getting desperate - if they don't then just take BPA.
 
I say we move some pieces around and grab the Thompson Twins. The Blazers need a lot more help then 1 really good rookie. 2 is better !!

You know...the more I watch them the more I like them both. I was just thinking about this the other day. What if we trade down with some kind of package deal to get them both in PDX? If we were rebuilding that would be so fun to watch with Sharpe.
 
Where does all the Scoot hype come from? His High School days? Did his time in the G-League take some of the shine off (poor shooting, poor defense, losing record)?
He played for the G League Ignite.... it's not really a normal team. Looking at their wins and losses doesn't make much sense generally, but especially when you're looking at a specific player on the team.

He was the youngest G League player in history in his first game, and he scored points his second game. He improved his stats across the board (except FG%) in his second year out of high school.

He also played well enough against Wambanyana (28 points, 9 assists, 5 rebounds in 28 minutes) that he said of Scoot, "Out of all the prospects I've heard about in our class, I think he's my favorite one... I think he's the most reliable that I've seen. He's really a great player... If I was never born, I think he would deserve the first spot."

So, yeah. He was the best PG coming out of high school, but he's played at a high level of competition and has excelled.
 
So, yeah. He was the best PG coming out of high school, but he's played at a high level of competition and has excelled.
...except for shooting and defense. Hey, sounds like Telfair!
 
Think Amen is the correct choice at 3, I don’t think Scoot is there at 3. I am not sold on Miller (I wasn’t sold on the Grant move either so I apparently know nothing)
 
Scoot vs. Miller vs. Amen?
For me, Amen. I’ve said it elsewhere, too.

Amen and Ausar? Sure.
 
Call me crazy, but if Miller does get taken at two(Which I think he will) I really do not think we need another guard to develop here. Need forward help so in that case at 3, if we keep it, I would take Jarace Walker. Big, strong, physical, and has a nice shooting touch. Just my two cents.
 
Call me crazy, but if Miller does get taken at two(Which I think he will) I really do not think we need another guard to develop here. Need forward help so in that case at 3, if we keep it, I would take Jarace Walker. Big, strong, physical, and has a nice shooting touch. Just my two cents.
Jarace is my favorite player in this draft but if we want him we might as well trade down with Orlando and pick up 6, 11 and possibly Bol and one of their young but not too young guards either Suggs or Anthony to be our backup PG... Bol will fit into one TPE and the guard will fit into the other. All of this said, Dame wouldn't be down with Jarace as our big addition so we'd probably look to trade him too.

3 is either going to be traded for an all star level player or better or Dame is going to have that "other conversation" with Joe... I think Joe probably has shit lined up for all sorts of scenarios and most of them probably have us placating Dame and therefore becoming much more competitive.
 
Call me crazy, but if Miller does get taken at two(Which I think he will) I really do not think we need another guard to develop here. Need forward help so in that case at 3, if we keep it, I would take Jarace Walker. Big, strong, physical, and has a nice shooting touch. Just my two cents.
Walker is a physical freak. For a guy who measured 6'6.5" 248lbs and a 7'2.5" wingspan at the combine, dude's agility and jumping measurements were that of an athletic 2 guard. A smart versatile defender who anticipates plays before they happen, he's big enough to spend some time at 5. I doubt he'll ever be a big scorer as that doesn't seem his mentality, but the form on his J looks reasonable and he made 3's at a 35% clip. For a Big, he should be a very good secondary playmaker as he's got both a handle and sees the court well as a passer. Would be a great guy to pick and roll Shaedon with.

Of course there are off court things that we often don't hear about that can raise and lower a prospect's potential, but man he looks like a nice prospect. I'm glad Portland has had him in.



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...except for shooting and defense. Hey, sounds like Telfair!
Telfair was two or three inches shorter than Scoot and was barely a lottery-level prospect and had never played professionally for two years before being drafted, but otherwise... yeah. Exactly the same.
 
I don't know that we need an article written 18 years after the draft when we can just look at the actual draft:

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That's barely in the lottery. And if PatterNash weren't so terrible, he might not have gone that high (many of us wanted Jefferson (edited from "Perkins" as I had a brain cramp), you may recall).

The dude was a PG in NYC, and he was very good in high school. That is lots of built-in hype. Scoot Henderson has almost nothing in common with Telfair.

You're asking where the "hype" about Scoop is coming from, and I'm telling you, and you're bringing up some small high school phenom from 20 years ago that barely was chosen in the lottery. I don't get it.
 
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I want Walker on this team. Guy loves rebounding and playing defense. Not at 3 though. Guess it doesn’t really matter
 
He played for the G League Ignite.... it's not really a normal team. Looking at their wins and losses doesn't make much sense generally, but especially when you're looking at a specific player on the team.

He was the youngest G League player in history in his first game, and he scored points his second game. He improved his stats across the board (except FG%) in his second year out of high school.

He also played well enough against Wambanyana (28 points, 9 assists, 5 rebounds in 28 minutes) that he said of Scoot, "Out of all the prospects I've heard about in our class, I think he's my favorite one... I think he's the most reliable that I've seen. He's really a great player... If I was never born, I think he would deserve the first spot."

So, yeah. He was the best PG coming out of high school, but he's played at a high level of competition and has excelled.

What was the competition like in the G League and when the put up those stats vs Wambanyana?

In short, I don't get the Scoot hype, at all!
 
Not a fan of Scoot at all. He’s fun to watch dunk the ball, but he’s going to discover that NBA defenses are better than they are in the G league. He’s another short PG who doesn’t play much D like we’ve been hearing complaints about around here for the last decade. The only difference is he can’t shoot from 3. I’d much rather trade out of the draft or trade down and pick someone else than use the 3 on Scoot.
Exactly, I just don't understand the hype surrounding him at all. He looks to be Marcus Smart type of guy minus the defense and hustle.
 
You're asking where the "hype" about Scoop is coming from, and I'm telling you, and you're bringing up some small high school phenom from 20 years ago that barely was chosen in the lottery. I don't get it.
Telfair was regarded as either #1 or #2 (behind LEBRON JAMES) in his high school class. And that article has him listed as "honorable mention" greatest high school prospect OF ALL TIME. Now, of course he didn't play in the G-League, but having seen Jalen Green, you'll forgive me if I don't get all excited at somebody who doesn't even shoot that great in the G-League.
 
I want Walker on this team. Guy loves rebounding and playing defense. Not at 3 though. Guess it doesn’t really matter
I love it how people refuse to pick the guy they want just because they're afraid all the draft prognosticators will laugh at them for taking him "too high". I love people like Sam Presti who just don't give a fuck. Also James Jones taking Cam Johnson when everyone thought he was way too old and had him much lower. If you like the guy, don't fuck around hoping to trade with someone who picks him lower - reward him with a better contract by taking him at the pick you have.
 
Walker is a physical freak. For a guy who measured 6'6.5" 248lbs and a 7'2.5" wingspan at the combine, dude's agility and jumping measurements were that of an athletic 2 guard. A smart versatile defender who anticipates plays before they happen, he's big enough to spend some time at 5. I doubt he'll ever be a big scorer as that doesn't seem his mentality, but the form on his J looks reasonable and he made 3's at a 35% clip. For a Big, he should be a very good secondary playmaker as he's got both a handle and sees the court well as a passer. Would be a great guy to pick and roll Shaedon with.
Sounds like Justice Winslow. And I mean that as a compliment - I like Winslow (more than I like Grant, tbh), he's just never healthy.
 
I love it how people refuse to pick the guy they want just because they're afraid all the draft prognosticators will laugh at them for taking him "too high". I love people like Sam Presti who just don't give a fuck. Also James Jones taking Cam Johnson when everyone thought he was way too old and had him much lower. If you like the guy, don't fuck around hoping to trade with someone who picks him lower - reward him with a better contract by taking him at the pick you have.
The fact is that taking Walker at 3 wouldn't make any sense. You could trade down and get him at 6 and probably get pick 11 too. Or maybe you trade down to 5 if your worried he'll go there and probably get Jalen Duren to go with him in your front court.

It's not because people are afraid to piss off the prognosticators that they don't stretch for a prospect early in the lotto, it's because you have to maximize the value of the pick you have.
 
I love it how people refuse to pick the guy they want just because they're afraid all the draft prognosticators will laugh at them for taking him "too high". I love people like Sam Presti who just don't give a fuck. Also James Jones taking Cam Johnson when everyone thought he was way too old and had him much lower. If you like the guy, don't fuck around hoping to trade with someone who picks him lower - reward him with a better contract by taking him at the pick you have.
I think both Miller and Henderson are a tier above him. Will be asinine to pass on either for a vet wing
 
What was the competition like in the G League and when the put up those stats vs Wambanyana?

In short, I don't get the Scoot hype, at all!
The G League is presumably the second-best level of competition in the hemisphere, since it's full of guys that were really good in college, while college is just full of guys playing in college.

Obviously there are awesome players potentially in every league, but the G League is full of adults, unlike college and OTE.
 

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