Are the Beach Boys a top 5 band all time?
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I don't consider them a top 5 band of all time. It's really hard to compare groups from the 60's or 70's to stuff now.
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You want to hear some weirder tracks? Check these two out
[video=youtube;ipyieEOjkVU]
and
[video=youtube;eFGwLWZFzUY]
the first one wasn't even sung by anyone in the group, but apparently their manager at the time. Might explain why it doesn't sound nasally.
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Not really. I can listen to the Beatles, the Doors, Led Zeppelin, or Sabbath right now and be amazed.
It takes an obscure 11th album from the Beach Boys even put them in the conversation.
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Are you saying that it's an unknown album? I can't name one single Rolling Stones album, but I can name at least 2 Beach Boy Albums. Pet Sounds and Endless Summer. Although Endless Summer was just a best of, so I guess I can only name one. Still more than any RS albums. Or any of the Doors albums, or Sabbath.
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Then you probably shouldn't be commenting in this thread.
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Why? MM wasn't asking if a particular album was top 5 of all time (although it was listening criteria). I have listened to the album, and I have heard many of their songs (and i've heard many of the RS songs). So I believe I'm allowed to comment.
I'm not saying their albums suck. I'm saying that calling an album obscure is funny considering I couldn't name any album from the groups you mentioned but I could mention Pet Sounds.
Can't name you many songs (of any of the groups) but thats because I'm bad with names of songs.
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I've heard Pet Sounds all the way through a few times back in college, but much like Rush, Guns & Roses and the Pixies, the Beach Boys were a well regarded band that never really did much for me. I'm a big music fan and they're enjoyable, but I'll easily list 50 bands I like more. Modest Mouse, Whiskeytown, The Ramones, Sublime, The Grateful Dead, Nirvana, Black Flag, Calexico, The Band, Iron & Wine, The Roots, ZZ Top, Jane's Addiction, Parliament/Funkadelic, The Black Keys, The Police, The Beatles, Pavement, The Stones, The Doors, The Wailers, Public Enemy, AC/DC, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, The Upsetters, Ween, Beastie Boys, Wu Tang Clan, Ike & Tina Turner, L7, The Neptunes, The Red Hot Chili Peppers, The Velvet Underground, The Sex Pistols, Uncle Tupelo, ELO, Eagles of Death Metal, The Skatalites, The Hives, Thievery Corporation, Old Crow Medicine Show, The Clash, Palace Brothers, Steely Dan, The Who, Queen, Van Halen, The White Stripes, and most of all the The Cherry Poppin' Daddies! I could probably list another 50
I've seen most of the bands that I listed but the some of the absolute best shows ever were Daddies shows. I've listened to & enjoyed that first album of their's as much as any other. Reaction to music/art isn't a matter of right or wrong or even ranking... it's personal. But I agree with the general sentiment that the BB's seem outside of the top echelon that would be in the conversation of top 5 as those bands are sort of unassailable types... who do they bounce of Beatles Stones Police Wailers Zeppelin?
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Now let's examine Papa's Top Ten off the Tip of his Tongue. Hmmm.
The Beatles
great
The Doors
very good
The Yardbirds
very good
Led Zeppelin
crap
Black Sabbath
crap
Pink Floyd
crap
Queen
crap
The Rolling Stones
decent
U2
crap
Metallica
crap
I don't know what bubblegum means, but if it means fast and youthful songs, I'm all for them. Almost all nonreligious hit songs had always been bubblegum until radio rock and roll died in the late 70s. If you listen to oldies stations, you'll never hear most oldies that were hits, like this typical forgotten one.
[video=youtube;jJR_KGZO4U0]
The Beatles
great
The Doors
very good
The Yardbirds
very good
Led Zeppelin
crap
Black Sabbath
crap
Pink Floyd
crap
Queen
crap
The Rolling Stones
decent
U2
crap
Metallica
crap
I don't know what bubblegum means, but if it means fast and youthful songs, I'm all for them. Almost all nonreligious hit songs had always been bubblegum until radio rock and roll died in the late 70s. If you listen to oldies stations, you'll never hear most oldies that were hits, like this typical forgotten one.
[video=youtube;jJR_KGZO4U0]
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If the Beach Boys aren't a top 5, then they're darn close. It may not be a lot of people's cup of tea, but there is serious genius within their music. More so than many bands people might consider top 5.
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Queen = Crap?
As for Stomps list, I like most all of those bands as well. As for you list of final 5 to bump. For me it's the Wailers, and probably the Police, However, that doesn't mean one of those others shouldn't be in the conversation as well
For me, but it's not like there are 5 and then the rest.
Who, Beatles, Stones, Floyd, Beach Boys
However, the Beach Boys could easily be replaced by several like Zep, Queen, Van Halen, Jimi Experience, Doors and maybe even the Eagles. No right or wrong answers here. Just fodder in place of the NBA
As for Stomps list, I like most all of those bands as well. As for you list of final 5 to bump. For me it's the Wailers, and probably the Police, However, that doesn't mean one of those others shouldn't be in the conversation as well
For me, but it's not like there are 5 and then the rest.
Who, Beatles, Stones, Floyd, Beach Boys
However, the Beach Boys could easily be replaced by several like Zep, Queen, Van Halen, Jimi Experience, Doors and maybe even the Eagles. No right or wrong answers here. Just fodder in place of the NBA
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That's totally fair. I didn't mean that the Beach Boys were/are not a great band and worthy of all-time consideration. I actually thought about it a bit more in bed last night, and I think I undervalued the Beach Boys as I went through their collection in my head. Pet Sounds may be a Top 5 album of all-time, though, in my book.
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Actually, it still is. It's on OPB every Saturday.
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Point taken.
Point proven, as well.
Yeah, point proven. That you were wrong. I guess?
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I meant as a top-rated show on network teevee, but whatever. The Honeymooners are probably still on somewhere as well for the oldtimers to remember the old days.
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Whats with the agism?
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Agism? I thought you'd make fun of the young whippersnapper killing some time on a Sunday afternoon.
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I'm too busy yelling at clouds.
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They have Dark Side of the Moon as #43, when it should be #1 or #2. It is the 3rd most sold album in history, and was on the Billboard charts for 741 weeks. If Dark Side is not #1, then The Wall is (IMO).
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I disagree with the reasoning that popular = good, but your post did make me wonder what the 1st and 2nd most sold albums are (Thriller and, surprisingly to me, Back in Black).
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Dark Side was critically acclaimed since its release, every track is awesome, it was produced at Abby Roads Studio by Alan Parsons, and it sold on the charts for 15 years (speaks to its appeal to generations of fans).
The Wall is 4 sides of great tracks, and there are several "cover" versions made by all star talent. Roger Waters put together an all star band and performed it at the Berlin Wall just after it fell. It may have been the largest audience to see a concert (in the hundreds of thousands).
Michael Jackson's album was phenomenal, and boosted by the emergence of MTV. No doubt the guy was elite.
AC/DC? I like the music, but I don't know why the album sold so many.
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I was curious, so I looked. Bat out of Hell, by Meatloaf, is apparently the 5th most selling album of all time. If I needed any proof that sales #'s are not a valid criteria for "best", that's it.
Kind of like how Titanic was touted as a great movie because of it's box office receipts. I wonder if you had taken ticket sales of GWTW or Casablanca, what they would've been. Of course, different times calls for different measures, as there wasn't a whole lot else to watch back when GWTW came out. Just like there are far more people in the US now then there were in 1965-68, and access to records is significantly different now (in the last 10 years lets say) then it was back when Pet Sounds, Sgt Peppers, White Album, etc, came out.
Which is why record sales to me aren't a vital cog in the decision.
My criteria? Do I recognize the song? Then it's good.
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Here's how thousands of people vote the top albums:
http://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/album/all-time
Three pink floyd albums in the top 52, and #s 4 and 6.
I'm not at all making the point that the album was good because it sold a lot of records. I'm making the point that the record sold a lot because it was great. The longevity of the record being on the charts says more than the overall sales number.
I'm fine with people saying the Beatles are the top band ever. They absolutely changed the industry, invented whole new ways of recording and engineering the music, and they created a huge diversity of music in a very short time. I would also say that McCartney's bass playing then would stand up against the top bassists today.
Though there are a couple of brothers who wrote a phenomenal amount of music, hit tunes, that rarely get recognized. They wrote the music for many of the Disney films.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman_Brothers
