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Here are some of the reasons why batum is lackluster offensively.

1.) He had some injuries, maybe still nagging, so far this season.

2.) he is playing way too many minutes for a weak frame. And we won't ever see a strong batum; if he keeps playing overseas every summer.

Personally I was happy at the beginning of the season. The batum that wasn't injured. But there has to be some accountability here. Batum needs to build some muscle strength to weather the physical play and long season.

I wish he would stop playing over seas and build some strength in his upper body. He needs to strengthen his shoulders and work on initiating contact and scoring.

I admit I love the contributing batum; but we need him to be more assertive offensively. It could be his injury; but this has been his motto most his career. Only until I see more aggressiveness; will I be fully convinced that he is our answer.
 
not every guy needs to be an absolute go to guy. I'm happy with Batum for what he is...he is a great rotation player.....fits well and does a lot of little things other than score.
 
isn't his injury his wrist? really theres nothing he can do to strengthen his wrist so he doesn't hurt it.... I haven't been able to watch many games but from box scores I've been fine with his play... i would agree that he could use some bulk but if its going to affect how fast he is and what not then id rather him be how he is and maybe just a bit more aggressive.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
not every guy needs to be an absolute go to guy. I'm happy with Batum for what he is...he is a great rotation player.....fits well and does a lot of little things other than score.
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Exactly; if his shot isn't falling, he makes himself useful in other ways.
 
Yes, very. Bummed by the injury, love the play making he has shown.
 
If he's still being hobbled by his bad wrist then I can forgive him a little bit, but lately I think it's fair to say he's fading a little. I'd like to see more and a strong finish and more aggressiveness, but overall I'd have to give him a solid B for the season.
 
He hasn't been the #3 player this team needs.

The day he becomes less passive and more consistent is the day he's more than just a role player type.
 
Nikolokolus said:
If he's still being hobbled by his bad wrist then I can forgive him a little bit, but lately I think it's fair to say he's fading a little. I'd like to see more and a strong finish and more aggressiveness, but overall I'd have to give him a solid B for the season.
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I agree. I can't remember who said it a few days ago. He said something like he gives everyone a pass this season because there are so many new players, coaches, roles, etc.

If next season, we see the same thing; then I will be concerned. I wish he would just stop playing this summer. I think it would really help his game.

Also, hopefully we can cut back some of his minutes. I think he's a 30 minute per game player. He is more valuable when he isn't tired.
 
magnifier661 said:
I agree. I can't remember who said it a few days ago. He said something like he gives everyone a pass this season because there are so many new players, coaches, roles, etc.
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You'd have to be reaching for excuses to resort to that one. Someone should make the (very short) list of teams from the last 10 years which didn't meet that description.
 
jlprk said:
You'd have to be reaching for excuses to resort to that one. Someone should make the (very short) list of teams from the last 10 years which didn't meet that description.
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So what you are saying is.... You need to learn the game, then post?
 
How can you learn the game if you don't post?
 
They didn't listen to you! I've been well-tutored by you and am ready to venture out onto the court.
 
From a pure salary cap perspective, I'm disappointed in Batum. This team is too far away from contending to hamper themselves with overpaying a 4th option on offense. I'm convinced this team could have traded him for picks/young players and still had around the same win total and had better roster flexibility.
 
craigehlo said:
From a pure salary cap perspective, I'm disappointed in Batum. This team is too far away from contending to hamper themselves with overpaying a 4th option on offense. I'm convinced this team could have traded him for picks/young players and still had around the same win total and had better roster flexibility.
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Many wanted us to try to pry Derrick Williams from Minny as part of a sign-and-trade (which Kahn allegedly rejected). Based on their production v pay, might we have been better off if we'd been able to make that deal? (FYI, I'm of the opinion that no, we would not be)
 
There were 3 factions.

1. He's worth $10M. Sign him and thank your lucky stars.
2. Sign him, see whether he earns it, and trade him later if he doesn't.
3. Let him go to the dogs, I mean Wolves.

I was in group 2. Well, time to ask, who would teams trade for him, now that we know he's overpaid? The problem is, you know his new coach will design a system to feature him and we'll say, why didn't we just change the coach.
 
Batum is still very young. All I wanted to see was some development from him and I think I've seen it. The guy is not a scorer, not like Lillard or Aldridge, but he is someone that could easily average 15/5/5 and he's a legit threat for a triple double every night. That's worth it imo.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Batum is still very young. All I wanted to see was some development from him and I think I've seen it. The guy is not a scorer, not like Lillard or Aldridge, but he is someone that could easily average 15/5/5 and he's a legit threat for a triple double every night. That's worth it imo.
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What does legit threat for a triple double every night mean? He's played 318 games and had a triple double twice. I don't go into every game thinking "Batum might very well get a triple double tonight." Do you?
 
Almost all of Batum's stats have decreased this season, he's passing much, much better, but has a worse shooting percentage, plays worse defense, scores less, and his PER and WS/48 are down.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
What does legit threat for a triple double every night mean? He's played 318 games and had a triple double twice. I don't go into every game thinking "Batum might very well get a triple double tonight." Do you?
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And both of those were this season before he hurt his wrist...
 
VanillaGorilla said:
Almost all of Batum's stats have decreased this season, he's passing much, much better, but has a worse shooting percentage, plays worse defense, scores less, and his PER and WS/48 are down.
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Tough to argue with the numbers (because they aren't exactly great). The only caveat I would throw out is that, he's been given an entirely different role this year than he's ever had to fill, a role with a lot more responsibility, that is asking him to do quite a few more things on any given play. The question is whether or not he'll be able to adapt long term and bring his averages back up to career norms while carrying that additional load. Pre wrist injury I thought he was starting to show some gradual improvement in consistency, since then he's sort of been alternating between "pretty good" and the "invisible man."

I guess we'll see what happens next year.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Tough to argue with the numbers (because they aren't exactly great). The only caveat I would throw out is that, he's been given an entirely different role this year than he's ever had to fill, a role with a lot more responsibility, that is asking him to do quite a few more things on any given play. The question is whether or not he'll be able to adapt long term and bring his averages back up to career norms while carrying that additional load. Pre wrist injury I thought he was starting to show some gradual improvement in consistency, since then he's sort of been alternating between "pretty good" and the "invisible man."

I guess we'll see what happens next year.
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I'm rooting for him to succeed. He really needs to be a legit third option for our team. I think that role was given to him and its a little overwhelming.

I still think logging him too many minutes and playing in Europe in the summer hampers him. We need to cut down the minutes and convince him to stop playing in the summer.

Then he can develop some strength and won't be tired when the nba season starts.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
Almost all of Batum's stats have decreased this season, he's passing much, much better, but has a worse shooting percentage, plays worse defense, scores less, and his PER and WS/48 are down.
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That is one way to describe his stats. Another way might be:

He has been asked to be a distributor this year and in his new role he has tripled his assists from last year. He also continues to play tough defense while getting more rebounds than last year and slightly increasing his scoring . . . all the while having to play through an injury and log heavy minutes.

I hope next year the trend will continue as he increases his stats in assists, rebounds and scoring with hopefully a decrease in minutes. Although being only 25 next year, he can probably handle the heavy load.
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
That is one way to describe his stats. Another way might be:

He has been asked to be a distributor this year and in his new role he has tripled his assists from last year. He also continues to play tough defense while getting more rebounds than last year and slightly increasing his scoring . . . all the while having to play through an injury and log heavy minutes.

I hope next year the trend will continue as he increases his stats in assists, rebounds and scoring with hopefully a decrease in minutes. Although being only 25 next year, he can probably handle the heavy load.
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Good points. Batum isn't a heavy minute player. Not with his frame and having to play in Europe. If we can find him help and reduce his minutes to 30 a game; I think it changes.

And he does have the injured wrist; but that won't be his excuse next season. We will soon find out.
 
I am glad we have him, but I want him to attack the basket more. He doesn't even need to get all the way to the rim, but it would be nice to see him get to the paint.

Wasn't one of his complaints that Nate kept him out on the perimeter to be a spot up shooter? He needs to attack the basket and develop a consistent pull up jumper in the lane. I know he can do it. I have seen glimpses of it.

I agree with Mags, he needs to wok his ass off all summer on getting healthy, a little stronger, and adding a new dimension to his arsenal. Stay away from the French Team.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I agree with Mags, he needs to wok his ass off all summer on getting healthy, a little stronger, and adding a new dimension to his arsenal. Stay away from the French Team.
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Unfortunately he already said he will be playing for France this summer.
 
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