Are you happy with batum?

[RoyToy]

No .

 

[magnifier661]

No .

I'm started to get really frustrated with him. Wtf?!?!

 

[RoyToy]

I'm started to get really frustrated with him. Wtf?!?!

His mentality is to be passive. The problem is he takes it to the extreme.

He doesn't take wide open shots and instead passes it to another player. His assist numbers are totally inflated because of it.

 

[magnifier661]

His mentality is to be passive. The problem is he takes it to the extreme.

He doesn't take wide open shots and instead passes it to another player. His assist numbers are totally inflated because of it.

I understand the facilitator idea. It's a good weapon; but he needs to look to score first. Then when the d focuses on him; distribute. It's backwards right now

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I'm started to get really frustrated with him. Wtf?!?!

I didn't see the game tonight, was he that bad?

His stats seem OK. He isn't taking a lot of shots, but seems to be active with rebounds and assists.

Blazers aren't having a problem scoring this year and have plenty of shooters. What with the need for him to take more shots?

 

[magnifier661]

I didn't see the game tonight, was he that bad?

His stats seem OK. He isn't taking a lot of shots, but seems to be active with rebounds and assists.

Blazers aren't having a problem scoring this year and have plenty of shooters. What with the need for him to take more shots?

For the first three quarters; it was bad. That was when I posted what I did. In the fourth; he played really well.

I just get frustrated that he has such offensive talent and he plays the pass first. I think it's a good weapon; but it should be his second weapon.

 

[Sinobas]

I'd be happy if he were getting paid what he was actually worth, which is half his current salary. We could use half his salary go get a nice backup, like Corey Brewer.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

For the first three quarters; it was bad. That was when I posted what I did. In the fourth; he played really well.

I just get frustrated that he has such offensive talent and he plays the pass first. I think it's a good weapon; but it should be his second weapon.

I get that. But here is my thought, we need someone else beside the PG to get assists and to be that all around player. Who on the Blazers can take on that role?

For as non aggressive as Batum can be, he is averaging about the same points as the aggressive Matthews while averaging almost twice as many rebounds assists and blocks as him.

I know I'm saying this as it looks like Matthews had a great game, but I think Mathews does it with an aggressive style so he looks more aggressive. But currently they are both taking about the same amount of shots per game, shooting about the same average while Batum is filling up the other categories.

But yes, Batum doesn't look very aggressive when it comes to scoring and I understand where posters are coming from. If your going to get big bucks, you are going to be held to a different standard.

 

[magnifier661]

I get that. But here is my thought, we need someone else beside the PG to get assists and to be that all around player. Who on the Blazers can take on that role?

For as non aggressive as Batum can be, he is averaging about the same points as the aggressive Matthews while averaging almost twice as many rebounds assists and blocks as him.

I know I'm saying this as it looks like Matthews had a great game, but I think Mathews does it with an aggressive style so he looks more aggressive. But currently they are both taking about the same amount of shots per game, shooting about the same average while Batum is filling up the other categories.

But yes, Batum doesn't look very aggressive when it comes to scoring and I understand where posters are coming from. If your going to get big bucks, you are going to be held to a different standard.

There's a difference cause Matthews makes quite a bit less than batum. I also get he helps distribute and make others better; but there has to come a time when he is more aggressive and looking for his shot. It's not that I want him more selfish. It's I want him to keep the defense on their toes.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

There's a difference cause Matthews makes quite a bit less than batum. I also get he helps distribute and make others better; but there has to come a time when he is more aggressive and looking for his shot. It's not that I want him more selfish. It's I want him to keep the defense on their toes.

Batum makes about 4 million more than Matthews, so if we go by that he should be producing more.

My point is everyone talks about how aggressive Matthews is, but Batum takes as many shots as Matthews. And they both take more than any other player besides LA and Lillard. Seems like a good distribution shots among the starters. But salary says Batum should be taking more shots than Matthews, I do get that,

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Batum makes about 4 million more than Matthews, so if we go by that he should be producing more.

My point is everyone talks about how aggressive Matthews is, but Batum takes as many shots as Matthews. And they both take more than any other player besides LA and Lillard. Seems like a good distribution shots among the starters. But salary says Batum should be taking more shots than Matthews, I do get that,

Stats don't tell you how often a player passes up a good shot do make a pass that results in nothing. Batum does this a lot when he should be scoring more.

 

[Natebishop3]

Two questions:

1) Is Batum injured?

2) How is that injury affecting his play?

If we could get an honest answer to these questions, it would make assessing him a lot easier.

 

[Run BJM]

I was in group 2. Well, time to ask, who would teams trade for him, now that we know he's overpaid? The problem is, you know his new coach will design a system to feature him and we'll say, why didn't we just change the coach.

I saw a thread on a Warriors board several weeks ago where someone suggested a Harrison (fucking) Barnes and either Richard Jefferson or Andris Biedrins (both expire after next season) for Batum trade. The general consensus was that they'd rather keep Barnes and take their chances with his development while letting those contracts expire.

One person said something to the effect of "if we're going to roll out an underacheiving SF then I'd rather go with the 20 y/o making a few million a year". Ultimately thats probably the way I would lean. Batum would make our starting unit pretty godamn money from top to bottom, but thats a lot to pay for a guy 4th option you'll use as a role player. Barnes is no sure thing but you see enough flashes from him to be ok with rolling the dice on his development. Also the team is slated to have a ton coming off the books between those expirings, Bogut, Rush, etc. and could be in position to make a big move. No reason to trade that away with Barnes for a non-franchise changer.

 

[magnifier661]

Well I still think his play overseas and major log in minutes are really hampering his game.

Players like Lillard and Aldridge already proved they can still produce good number consistently with heavy minutes. Matthews and batum haven't.

I think if batum works in an offseason to heal and build a little upper body strength, then we find capable players to reduce his minutes; batum would be an awesome 3rd option.

It pisses me off that he decided to play in France again. Makes me feel like he doesn't care about his lackluster game.

 

[magnifier661]

From oregon live.

Batum doesn’t score much, but ... Nicolas Batum backed up his season-long pledge to find other ways to contribute when his offense isn’t clicking. He attempted just five shots and made two. But he did a variety of everything else to help the Blazers win, finishing with seven assists, seven rebounds and four steals.

I will admit that I do love this side of him. Sometimes I think he just misses a couple shots and tells himself "well my shot isn't falling, so I gotta do the other things."

It would be nice to at least try and be more assertive at the beginning of the quarter; then play the intangibles until the next.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Stats don't tell you how often a player passes up a good shot do make a pass that results in nothing. Batum does this a lot when he should be scoring more.

I agree that he isn't aggressive enough with his shot. Seems like many times he isn't in a shooter's mentality out there on the court. He isn't having the best shooting year and I wonder if that is playing into it.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I get that. But here is my thought, we need someone else beside the PG to get assists and to be that all around player. Who on the Blazers can take on that role?

For as non aggressive as Batum can be, he is averaging about the same points as the aggressive Matthews while averaging almost twice as many rebounds assists and blocks as him.

I know I'm saying this as it looks like Matthews had a great game, but I think Mathews does it with an aggressive style so he looks more aggressive. But currently they are both taking about the same amount of shots per game, shooting about the same average while Batum is filling up the other categories.

But yes, Batum doesn't look very aggressive when it comes to scoring and I understand where posters are coming from. If your going to get big bucks, you are going to be held to a different standard.

This is a good post. I taped the game and just watched it. Again we played really well when we went small. Even though Maynor did not shoot that well tonight, when he and Lillard were in together we played better because we had that extra passer/dribbler.

Wes shot the ball great, but he is a catch and shoot guy. Below average passer and dribbler for a SG. But again very good 3 pt shooter. So my point is we really need Nic as a facilitator because we can't go small the whole game. There was one play late in the 4th where he was up top playing essentially PG and Lillard was on the wing. Play ended up with a Damian three.

Now I agree with Mags that we need him to be more aggressive on offense. He needs to attack the basket. No question. So am I happy with his game? Not completely. But I am happy he is on the team. I think he, Lillard and Wes can compliment each other. He just needs to continue to get better/healthier.