It's not the HOF without Rose or Shoeless Joe... But yes to Chipper & Piazza, torn on Kent & Bagwell... Definitely NOT to Delgado... Leaning no on the others
Willie Stargel...........475 / 1540 / 282 (In the HOF)
Carlos Delgado.........473 / 1512 / 280 ( ? )
Tony Perez..............379 / 1652 / 279 with 2,700 hits (in the HOF)
Harold Baines..........384 / 1628 / 289 with 2,800 hits ( ? )
Jim Rice..................382 / 1452 / 298 with 2,400 hits (In the HOF)
Jeff Kent.................377 / 1518 / 290 with 2,400 hits ( ? )
Not to be funny Steve but I really don't think that's a criteria that they look at. But as rare as it would be.......I could be wrong.
Willie Stargel...........475 / 1540 / 282 (In the HOF)
Carlos Delgado.........473 / 1512 / 280 ( ? )
Tony Perez..............379 / 1652 / 279 with 2,700 hits (in the HOF)
Harold Baines..........384 / 1628 / 289 with 2,800 hits ( ? )
Jim Rice..................382 / 1452 / 298 with 2,400 hits (In the HOF)
Jeff Kent.................377 / 1518 / 290 with 2,400 hits ( ? )
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Kent 2b, should go in, HAS TO GO IN, (imo) because of the position he played , great numbers and he wasn't a hack defensively.
Rice was one of the premier sluggers/hitters of his day.
I've always had a problem with Perez getting elected to the HOF.
Never, ever, for a moment (lol) did I ever think of Tony Perez as a "great" player or a "Hall of Famer".
I realize this isn't a qualification to be a Hall of Famer, but - Perez never lead the lead in ANY positive batting category in over 20 years.
Harold Baines? - I say a fairly loud NO. He too is another guy who just never passed the eyeball test (no wonder!), he managed to lead his league in a batting category ONCE (slg%) in 23 years.
These guys and others - Baines/Perez were GOOD/very good, not great hitters who put up numbers for over 20 years and weren't known for much else offensively.
Baines was a slow (bad knee) non dominant hitting DH for a large part of his career.
Best I could say - "Baines was a good hitter" who literally hung on and added to his career numbers at a less than all-star pace. Too many guys are falling into this category and getting Hall of Fame attention.
If they- Perez/Baines, had career BAs over .300, I would say yes.
Batting average DOES count ,especially OVER A LONG CAREER more than the current stat-heads understand.
Stargell - he was one of the premier hitters/sluggers of his era.
By the way, check out Delgado and Bagwell's numbers....very close.
I don't think either is a HALL OF FAMER.
Rick, not trying to be funny nor do I think you are...
Look at the Eras from baseball
The Dead Ball Era 1901 – 1919 - Cy Young, Ty Cobb, and Tris Speaker
Live Ball - 1920 – 1941 The Ruth Era
Integration Era 1942 – 1960
Expansion Era 1961 – 1976
Free Agent Era 1976 – 1993
The Steroid Era 1994 – present?
Willie Stargell career from 1962 – 1982 (Expansion/FA eras)
Carlos Delgado career from 1993 – 2009 (Steroid era; 1 at bat in 1993 before steroid era officially began)
Tony Pérez career from 1964 – 1986 (Expansion/FA eras)
Harold Baines career from 1980 – 2001 (FA/Steroid eras)
Jim Rice career from 1974 – 1989 (Expansion/FA eras)
Jeff Kent career from 1992 – 2008 (end of FA/Steroid eras)
BUT… You can’t compare on OF pre-steroid era to a 2B steroid era with stats as a head to head… You can’t…
That being said, while I previously mentioned I was torn on Kent, thinking about the fact he played 2B, he goes in…
Delgado: 2038 hits, 473 HR, 1512 RBI, .280 BA, .546 SLG, .929 OPS & 131 errors in 1827 games, mostly at 1B (17 yrs)
Bagwell: 2314 hits, 449 HR, 1529 RBI, .297 BA, .540 SLG, .948 OPS & 129 errors in 2150 games, mostly at 1B (15 yrs)
Delgado had more HR and therefore a barely higher SLG, but everything else leans towards Bagwell being “better”
So back to my initial statement... It's not the HOF without Rose or Shoeless Joe... But yes to Chipper, Piazza, & Kent, torn on Bagwell... Definitely NOT to Delgado... Leaning no on the others... Steroid era will loom over Piazza's head though... Same with Delgado & Guerrero
