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Man, the whole scene between him and his wife is ugly. What’d she do, marry Rudy Fernandez.......???
 
Binx said:
Yes, I do. Absolutely. He gets paid millions of dollars to play basketball, and when the season resumes he needs to be there—just like the rest of his teammates.
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For some of the long term veteran professionals, Im sure money and the monotony of playing/JOB takes a back seat. to what they deem as important in the now.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Well, I guess a point could be made that every NBA player values money over family. No man who really loved his family would choose an occupation that required him to be away from family so much. :)
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Eh,

There is a difference between choosing this career with an advanced knowledge of giving your time up in the winter and having time in the summer and having a last minute change. No one predicted this, and its unfair to hold players who chose this life to now just change or else, because of money.

It could also be said then that deep sea fishermen, Oil refinery workers, etc, all value money over family. Long haul Truckers.

Wrong. They have time off.

6 months on, 6 months off. And its preplanned/

Some find that a better family situation than to work every week and have the weekends, type thing.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Got it. You value money more than family.
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The Blazers haven’t been fighting and clawing to make the playoffs just so one of their key players could take off a month to visit with his son.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Eh,

There is a difference between choosing this career with an advanced knowledge of giving your time up in the winter and having time in the summer and having a last minute change. No one predicted this, and its unfair to hold players who chose this life to now just change or else, because of money.

It could also be said then that deep sea fishermen, Oil refinery workers, etc, all value money over family. Long haul Truckers.

Wrong. They have time off.

6 months on, 6 months off. And its preplanned/

Some find that a better family situation than to work every week and have the weekends, type thing.
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They are also home during home stands
 
Binx said:
The Blazers haven’t been fighting and clawing to make the playoffs just so one of their key players could take off a month to visit with his son.
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i wonder if there is intel on how the rest of the team feels about it?
Id bet they are fine with it considering the circumstances.
Not happy, but understand.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Well, I guess a point could be made that every NBA player values money over family. No man who really loved his family would choose an occupation that required him to be away from family so much. :)
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You ain’t jokin’!
 
Binx said:
The Blazers haven’t been fighting and clawing to make the playoffs just so one of their key players could take off a month to visit with his son.
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Well, actually it seems like that is exactly the situation the Blazers find themselves in, so yeah they did fight and claw to make the playoffs and yeah one of their key players is taking the rest of the season off. The good news is we have Zach who wouldn't have been back for several more games and a much healthier Nurk than we would have had. I think Ariza's situation very likely could have been a "this is the only time you get with your son and if you don't take it, who knows when you'll get to see him again" type of thing and if that were the case Ariza would be horrible not to show that he wants to be in his son's life. We would be better off if we had him but we don't and I don't blame him for that and I doubt his teammates do either.
 
blazerkor said:
Well, actually it seems like that is exactly the situation the Blazers find themselves in, so yeah they did fight and claw to make the playoffs and yeah one of their key players is taking the rest of the season off. The good news is we have Zach who wouldn't have been back for several more games and a much healthier Nurk than we would have had. I think Ariza's situation very likely could have been a "this is the only time you get with your son and if you don't take it, who knows when you'll get to see him again" type of thing and if that were the case Ariza would be horrible not to show that he wants to be in his son's life. We would be better off if we had him but we don't and I don't blame him for that and I doubt his teammates do either.
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yeah right??

how many people slamming Ariza for this would also slam him in the aftermath when they realize Ariza had one chance to be a father in his sons life for the only timeframe he could
And denied the parenting responsibility for his money and to not let his team down?

how anyone would want him to choose money over being a good father in times like this, shows alot of the typical mentality aNd selfishness we all have.
 
Binx said:
The Blazers haven’t been fighting and clawing to make the playoffs just so one of their key players could take off a month to visit with his son.
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reality is his choice will cost him 1.8 million in lost salary to be with his son..that's sacrifice..family first...and I blame no player for airing on the side of caution when it comes to moving to Florida for 7 weeks given the circumstance.....Ariza is also one of our older players....Melo hasn't fully resigned to playing yet either according to a recent interview..our oldest player...I wouldn't do it at all if I were faced with the choice. Many players may opt out by game time. As much as we want sports...it's actually really stupid to play out this season in my view.
 
kjironman1 said:
You mean to tell me his ex is a bitch?
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The only things I know about this are that one article from yahoo sports called it a "custody battle" and Woj said it was "the mother's decision to grant a court-ordered, one-month visitation period during the league's quarantine of teams in Orlando, Florida". It doesn't sound too amicable and it really doesn't sound to me like Ariza actually even had much of a choice. From what I know of Ariza, I bet the guy would have played if he could have worked it out with his son's mother or a judge... or maybe even if he could have brought his son and a nanny in the bubble with him. Obviously that last sentence is conjecture but Ariza is a definite pro's pro who very badly wants to win. I think it's a reasonable assumption that his hand was forced here.

https://sports.yahoo.com/trevor-ariza-wont-play-nba-182128248.html

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id...riza-opting-participation-nba-orlando-restart
 
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riverman said:
reality is his choice will cost him 1.8 million in lost salary to be with his son..that's sacrifice..family first...and I blame no player for airing on the side of caution when it comes to moving to Florida for 7 weeks given the circumstance.....Ariza is also one of our older players....Melo hasn't fully resigned to playing yet either according to a recent interview..our oldest player...I wouldn't do it at all if I were faced with the choice. Many players may opt out by game time. As much as we want sports...it's actually really stupid to play out this season in my view.
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I think you're right that it's "stupid" for the league to play out the season because if this goes wrong in any meaningful way all of the positive cache that Adam Silver has built up with the players, the media and even the owners will be gone. Adam Silver will be the one that will be left holding the bag and looking stupid. For the players overall, they really aren't "stupid" as a union to do this. With the league having the opportunity to rip up the CBA due to the force majeure provision in the existing CBA the players need to look like they are doing everything they can to preserve good faith going into a likely renegotiation this off season. The league will have a decided advantage in those negotiations due to the uncertainty of the virus and their current business model's viability going forward. Also the league was given an extension through September to rip up the current CBA according to Woj.



So they most likely will do that ("terminate" the existing CBA) and in so doing take a huge upper hand over the players in upcoming negotiations. Thus it's in the best interest of the players, especially if this plays out in the media (which it most definitely will) to at least look like they were doing everything in their powers to help the league in its time of need.
 
riverman said:
I blame no player for airing on the side of caution when it comes to moving to Florida for 7 weeks given the circumstance.....
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The Florida spike in the virus is a non-issue, in my opinion. For starters, they’re going to be in a bubble with a select group of people, and everybody is going to be tested on a regular basis. But even more to the point, all the NBA players are young men in fantastic shape. If they get the virus they will have minor symptoms and less than zero chance of dying. So I don’t see how going to FL should be a concern for any of them.
 
blazerkor said:
The good news is we have Zach who wouldn't have been back for several more games and a much healthier Nurk than we would have had. I think Ariza's situation very likely could have been a "this is the only time you get with your son and if you don't take it, who knows when you'll get to see him again" type of thing and if that were the case Ariza would be horrible not to show that he wants to be in his son's life.
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Yep, but I also know how important depth and experience is in the playoffs, and Ariza gives us both of that. And we’re already missing Rodney Hood, who was supposed to be a key part of our championship run. Because of his absence it’s even more important that we have everybody else ready to go. And don’t forget, it was probably for his playoff experience that Olshey signed Ariza in the first place.
 
Binx said:
The Florida spike in the virus is a non-issue, in my opinion. For starters, they’re going to be in a bubble with a select group of people, and everybody is going to be tested on a regular basis. But even more to the point, all the NBA players are young men in fantastic shape. If they get the virus they will have minor symptoms and less than zero chance of dying. So I don’t see how going to FL should be a concern for any of them.
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I couldn't disagree more but your opinion on this is the prevailing opinion around the league.....there's no knowledge that being young and athletic and getting this will not have lifelong repercussions....what I follow on BBC and Taiwan news streams contradicts the approach we're taking here....my view...until a vaccine we should not put them at risk period..that being said it's going to happen so I hope I'm wrong...Rudy Gobert is still sick 3 months later..just wait for a vaccine before spreading more of this...these players have elderly family members and children to when it's all over
 
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Binx said:
The Florida spike in the virus is a non-issue, in my opinion. For starters, they’re going to be in a bubble with a select group of people, and everybody is going to be tested on a regular basis. But even more to the point, all the NBA players are young men in fantastic shape. If they get the virus they will have minor symptoms and less than zero chance of dying. So I don’t see how going to FL should be a concern for any of them.
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Here is the results of multiple studies done so far for the lasting long term effects of this virus. You could not be more wrong.
https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/06/02/covid-health-effects
Even more so when you say something off the hook like
Binx said:
If they get the virus they will have minor symptoms and less than zero chance of dying.
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How do you come up with "Less than Zero chance"?
Have you really thought this through? You do understand how this spreads right? You do understand that there is no such thing as a bubble right?
The President of the United States is in a bubble. His staff are all in a bubble. They just had 14 cases in the staff working on their one day event in Tulsa Oklahoma.
You do realize this event will be weeks long and will include 20 times the amount of staff and television support not to mention every other news agency. Not just CNN, MSNBC and FOX.
 
kjironman1 said:
Here is the results of multiple studies done so far for the lasting long term effects of this virus. You could not be more wrong.
https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/06/02/covid-health-effects
Even more so when you say something off the hook like

How do you come up with "Less than Zero chance"?
Have you really thought this through? You do understand how this spreads right? You do understand that there is no such thing as a bubble right?
The President of the United States is in a bubble. His staff are all in a bubble. They just had 14 cases in the staff working on their one day event in Tulsa Oklahoma.
You do realize this event will be weeks long and will include 20 times the amount of staff and television support not to mention every other news agency. Not just CNN, MSNBC and FOX.
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Better take another look at the facts, my friend. Fit young people are not dying from this virus. Some will have symptoms like fatigue, headache or coughing, and some will have no symptoms at all.
 
Binx said:
Better take another look at the facts, my friend. Fit young people are not dying from this virus. Some will have symptoms like fatigue, headache or coughing, and some will have no symptoms at all.
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There is Broadway actor/dancer in his 30s/40s who had to have his leg amputated because of COVID and he’s been slipping in and out of a coma too. Also- there’s a kid from a boy band who just died of COVID. He was 35. Also Rudy Gobert was tested in March because he didn’t feel well and he still has symptoms 3.5 months later.
 
Binx said:
Better take another look at the facts, my friend. Fit young people are not dying from this virus. Some will have symptoms like fatigue, headache or coughing, and some will have no symptoms at all.
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This is typical posting on here... it's just not usually about something so important. You say, "Better take a look at the facts, my friend." Then you proceed to offer up an opinion based on no facts with no link to anecdotal nor more importantly statistical information or what some people call "facts". So maybe you should look at the facts and then show them to people you are condescending to.
 
Binx said:
Better take another look at the facts, my friend. Fit young people are not dying from this virus. Some will have symptoms like fatigue, headache or coughing, and some will have no symptoms at all.
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better look at the facts globally...they also know it can cause permanent internal organ damage to young people who survive it...and that it mutates although slowly and can incubate in asymptomatic people....it's not what we know about this virus that gives us pause....it's more what we don't know. Trump took your view.some people may get the sniffles..it'll fade, it'll pass by April...etc. News flash...it's still spreading in China 10 months later....everywhere we've reopened for business has been basically a disaster...the Nuggets closed their whole facility as it's infected now.....used to say live and learn...now it's learn and live...we're 3 months into the major spread here and frankly, we've been extremely careless and stupid about it for the need for instant gratification and entertainment..
 
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riverman said:
better look at the facts globally...they also know it can cause permanent internal organ damage to young people who survive it...and that it mutates although slowly and can incubate in asymptomatic people....it's not what we know about this virus that gives us pause....it's more what we don't know. Trump took your view.some people may get the sniffles..it'll fade, it'll pass by April...etc. News flash...it's still spreading in China 10 months later....everywhere we've reopened for business has been basically a disaster...the Nuggets closed their whole facility as it's infected now.....used to say live and learn...now it's learn and live...we're 3 months into the major spread here and frankly, we've been extremely careless and stupid about it for the need for instant gratification and entertainment..
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So, something like 6% of the players scheduled to go to Orlando tested positive. Is there any reason to believe that players will be any safer if the NBA cancels the season and guys go about their normal lives (and the risk that goes with that) vs going to Orlando, being monitored closely and living inside a more controlled environment? I honestly don't know, but I do know that nobody gets the risk down to zero. Absent a vaccine, this thing continues to go pretty much unabated until 70% or so of the population has had it. By most estimations, a vaccine that's available to the average person is about a year off and who knows how effective it will be.
 
e_blazer said:
So, something like 6% of the players scheduled to go to Orlando tested positive. Is there any reason to believe that players will be any safer if the NBA cancels the season and guys go about their normal lives (and the risk that goes with that) vs going to Orlando, being monitored closely and living inside a more controlled environment? I honestly don't know, but I do know that nobody gets the risk down to zero. Absent a vaccine, this thing continues to go pretty much unabated until 70% or so of the population has had it. By most estimations, a vaccine that's available to the average person is about a year off and who knows how effective it will be.
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ask the Denver Nuggets...they had to close their entire facility for contamination....and yes...I believe staying home in Oregon is safer than being exposed to 302 players in a highly infected State like Florida who've been all over the globe or country since the pandemic....Gobert is still sick. The risk factor is being watered down for profits in my view and only for profits...not for public health..I'm against finishing this season but I'm sure it will be played out. I don't think athletes are any different than other entertainers when it comes to stopping the virus...I know why they say it's a safe place but I don't think they can prove that yet
 
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