Ariza won't be suspended, Odom still being reviewed

[Toko]

Good decision. Lamar should get suspended though. Other than that, justice is served.

 

[DaRizzle]

He was nowhere near the ball,

You mean besides the part where he touches the ball?

 

[DaRizzle]

There is a big difference between the two plays...

Here is a refresher:
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Horford:
Nowhere close to the ball
Downward striking motion
Full swipe of his face sending his head back

Ariza:
Made contact with the ball
Came across the body so there was a chance to avoid contact rather than downwards
Hit Rudys head from the side

The Horford foul was way more brutal when you consider just what happened in the air

 

[Mamba]

He was nowhere near the ball, unless he thought that (A) Rudy shoots the ball with his head, or (B) Rudy doesn't have a head.

Typical Laker-loving by the NBA. Of well, Ariza's still a douche.

At being no where near the ball. Take off your Blazers' goggles and realize he got ball + body.

 

[PapaG]

At being no where near the ball. Take off your Blazers' goggles and realize he got ball + body.

This is a Blazer board. I realize Laker fans think that doesn't matter, but it does. So if you want to defend the douche Ariza, don't expect civil discourse in return. Now put back on your Laker kneepads and get to work!

 

[DaRizzle]

This is a Blazer board. I realize Laker fans think that doesn't matter, but it does. So if you want to defend the douche Ariza, don't expect civil discourse in return. Now put back on your Laker kneepads and get to work!

Well maybe if you would be an atom more objective you would see Ariza did make contact with the ball

 

[PapaG]

Well maybe if you would be an atom more objective you would see Ariza did make contact with the ball

After he went through the head with his bicep, which makes it a dangerous and intentional play.

 

[ABM]

This is a Blazer board. I realize Laker fans think that doesn't matter, but it does. So if you want to defend the douche Ariza, don't expect civil discourse in return. Now put back on your Laker kneepads and get to work!

Ariza's not a douche. It was an unfortunate result from a hard foul on his part. Hard fouls are part of the game.

 

[PapaG]

Ariza's not a douche. It was an unfortunate result from a hard foul on his part. Hard fouls are part of the game.

His actions after the foul are the actions of a douche bag, and his "excuse" that he doesn't remember what happened immediately after the play doesn't pass the sniff test. The OC Register even called him out on it.

 

[Tortimer]

Ariza's not a douche. It was an unfortunate result from a hard foul on his part. Hard fouls are part of the game.

I agree 100% and if Ariza would have acted like a normal person not douche he would have looked like he didn't really want Rudy to get hurt. Instead he puffed out his chest and acted like a complete idiot douche bag if not worse!

 

[DaRizzle]

After he went through the head with his bicep, which makes it a dangerous and intentional play.

Oh hallelujah! We are making progress! PapaG admits Ariza made contact with the ball!

 

[illmatic99]

Newsflash, Laker bitches.

You're in a fucking Blazer forum. Complaining about our "goggles" etc, makes you look like idiots.

 

[Master Shake]

Dat foul wuz just da ard foul. e went fe da ball wit narr intent to injure. da momentum made rudy's fall chek dig ariza throw I is to da ground. get ova hit, hit wuz da ard foul.

 

[MrJayremmie]

I think the league and officials did the right thing.

Ariza should have gotten the Flagrant 2 and been thrown out, but I don't think he should have been suspended (but rather fined, but w/e). The league said the refs made the right call in giving him the Flag2 and throwing him out though, which is nice.

Either way, the Blazers made that look easy last night. Good 'ol fashion butt-whoopin'.

 

[DaRizzle]

Newsflash, Laker bitches.

You're in a fucking Blazer forum. Complaining about our "goggles" etc, makes you look like idiots.

I think you meant glasses...since some people here need some

 

[Tortimer]

DaRizzle you have to admit Ariza acted like a complete idiot after the foul? If he really didn't want to hurt Rudy why not act a little concerned and not like you just did something good for his team or what ever he was trying to act like. I wouldn't have been that upset with him if he just acted like a normal human would have acted in that situation. I still would have been worried about Rudy and a little upset with Ariza but not like I was after his "big fucking act".

 

[RR7]

There is a big difference between the two plays...

Here is a refresher:

Horford:
Nowhere close to the ball
Downward striking motion
Full swipe of his face sending his head back

Ariza:
Made contact with the ball
Came across the body so there was a chance to avoid contact rather than downwards
Hit Rudys head from the side

The Horford foul was way more brutal when you consider just what happened in the air

But you're just looking at the outcome of the play. Both players went for the ball. In Ford's case, however, he decided to shield himself on his layup by going for a reverse instead of a normal layup. Horford did not anticipate this, so instead of getting a clean block, or at least a piece of the ball to make it look clean, he just got all of Ford's head, where the ball most likely would have been on a normal attempt. Now, what if Rudy had done something similar. What if he was actually trying to showboat, adn instead of a simple two handed dunk, he decided to spin it into a reverse. On that spin, if he turned to his right, Ariza wouldn't he made contact with the ball. Instead, he would have straight clotheslined Rudy. But, he would have pulled the exact same action of swiping his arm to attempt the block. Neither defender went in with an attempt to hurt the other. Both did.

 

[DaRizzle]

DaRizzle you have to admit Ariza acted like a complete idiot after the foul? If he really didn't want to hurt Rudy why not act a little concerned and not like you just did something good for his team or what ever he was trying to act like. I wouldn't have been that upset with him if he just acted like a normal human would have acted in that situation. I still would have been worried about Rudy and a little upset with Ariza but not like I was after his "big fucking act".

Yes, this morning was my first view of a video that actually showed Ariza after he landed. I dont think he knew how bad Rudy was yet since it look like he was looking down the other end of the court, but yeah...he was doing some shimmy dance

...Ariza was an idiot after the foul for sure

 

[Boob-No-More]

Well maybe if you would be an atom more objective you would see Ariza did make contact with the ball

And the HEAD and the arms. Again, read the rule. There is no mention of intent or "going for the ball". Sure, he hit the ball AFTER he hit the head. It was unecessary and excessive contact. That is the requirement for a flargrant 2. The refs got the call right, and the league agreed.

The only issue here is why no one game suspension? Again, intent is irrelevant. It's the act that's punished, not the intent. The act was clear. He took down a player, who had left his feet, from behind with a blow to the head and arms. I really don't see why that's even debatable. You've watched replay, right?

So, why don't you take off the piss colored glasses and look at the bigger picture. Do you want open season on YOUR players where they can be taken down from behind with a blow to the head? This a bigger issue than this one foul. It's about protecting ALL players from being hit from behind when they are in the air and extremely vulnerable. By not suspending Ariza, the league office has said it's OK to SOMETIMES commit these kind of reckless, dangerous fouls. It's a very dangerous precident.

BNM

 

[DaRizzle]

And the HEAD and the arms. Again, read the rule. There is no mention of intent or "going for the ball". Sure, he hit the ball AFTER he hit the head. It was unecessary and excessive contact. That is the requirement for a flargrant 2. The refs got the call right, and the league agreed.

The only issue here is why no one game suspension? Again, intent is irrelevant. It's the act that's punished, not the intent. The act was clear. He took down a player, who had left his feet, from behind with a blow to the head and arms. I really don't see why that's even debatable. You've watched replay, right?

So, why don't you take off the piss colored glasses and look at the bigger picture. Do you want open season on YOUR players where they can be taken down from behind with a blow to the head? This a bigger issue than this one foul. It's about protecting ALL players from being hit from behind when they are in the air and extremely vulnerable. By not suspending Ariza, the league office has said it's OK to SOMETIMES commit these kind of reckless, dangerous fouls. It's a very dangerous precident.

BNM

All I was saying is PapaG refused to even admit Ariza was that close to the ball

 

[Boob-No-More]

All I was saying is PapaG refused to even admit Ariza was that close to the ball

So, do you, or don't you agree that Ariza should have been suspended for one game for committing a dangerous act that put another player at risk of serious injury? If not, then you'll have no problem when someone does the same thing to Kobe, right?

Again, this is bigger than this one foul. The league should send a clear message that this NEVER allowed (taking down a player, who has left his feet, from behind with a blow to the head), rather than muddying the waters by sending an unclear message.

BNM

 

[BasX]

Newsflash, Laker bitches.

You're in a fucking Blazer forum. Complaining about our "goggles" etc, makes you look like idiots.

In which is a sub-forum of SportsTwo, a forum that Mamba, HK and other Laker fans do an excellent job working on. They can talk where they want, when they want.

 

[Boob-No-More]

In which is a sub-forum of SportsTwo, a forum that Mamba, HK and other Laker fan an excellent job working on. They can talk where they want, when they want.

You need a little lesson in reading comprehension. Nobody said they couldn't post here, just that if they do, don't expect a friendly, unbiased response.

I have every right to go to the Lakers forum and call Kobe a rapist, but I doubt if Lakers fans would welcome that behavior.

BNM

 

[Master Shake]

This isn't the Blazer forum. It's the Raptors forum. We should start talking about what Toronto is gonna do in the off-season. I think trying to trade for Ariza is a good idea. He's a great player, who can deliver when called upon and who commits hard fouls, that aren't made to injure anyone. What do you think PapaG? Ariza would look nice on Toronto.

 

[BasX]

You need a little lesson in reading comprehension. Nobody said they couldn't post here, just that if they do, don't expect a friendly, unbiased response.

BNM

My bad. But that is also clarification for other posters.

 

[BasX]

This isn't the Blazer forum. It's the Raptors forum. We should start talking about what Toronto is gonna do in the off-season. I think trying to trade for Ariza is a good idea. He's a great player, who can deliver when called upon and who commits hard fouls, that aren't made to injure anyone. What do you think PapaG? Ariza would look nice on Toronto.

Epic.

 

[DaRizzle]

So, do you, or don't you agree that Ariza should have been suspended for one game for committing a dangerous act that put another player at risk of serious injury? If not, then you'll have no problem when someone does the same thing to Kobe, right?

Again, this is bigger than this one foul. The league should send a clear message that this NEVER allowed (taking down a player, who has left his feet, from behind with a blow to the head), rather than muddying the waters by sending an unclear message.

BNM

BNM, Ill give you credit, you have given the most convincing arguments so far to the other side...but I still disagree.

Players get bopped in the head during a foul in virtually every NBA game that is played. Yes I know intent has nothing to do with deciding if its a flagrant or not. I mean, Ariza was 3 inches of clearance space away from making an amazing block. I obviously dont want players to get hurt but you gotta let them play...shit happens

 

[Spud147]

All I was saying is PapaG refused to even admit Ariza was that close to the ball

I shouldn't speak for PapaG but I think the problem he has is that he hit Rudy's head BEFORE he hit the ball. There was no way to make an "all ball" play. It just looks even worse when you consider LA was down 28 points at the time. He intended to commit a hard foul but it was just because he was frustrated and not because it was going to affect the final score in a close game. I don't think Ariza intended to hurt Rudy but he lost control of his emotions and made a really stupid and reckless play.

Honestly, what would you be saying today if that had been Kobe laying on the ground?

 

[Boob-No-More]

BNM, Ill give you credit, you have given the most convincing arguments so far to the other side...but I still disagree.

Players get bopped in the head during a foul in virtually every NBA game that is played. Yes I know intent has nothing to do with deciding if its a flagrant or not. I mean, Ariza was 3 inches of clearance space away from making an amazing block. I obviously dont want players to get hurt but you gotta let them play...shit happens

He was also potentially 3 inches away from breaking Rudy's neck. You can't really play that "what if" game without considering both scenarios.

There is a big difference between "bopping someone on the head" and taking down an airborn player from behind. The last is VERY dangerous. When a player leaves his feet he is in a very vulnerable position. Hitting him from behind when he's in the air is a recipe for disaster. It's just not done at any level. You don't undercut a player from behind and you don't take him down from behind with a blow to the head or shoulders.

I coach youth basketball, and starting in 1st grade the kids are taught that the saftey of the other players always comes first - NO EXCEPTIONS. What Ariza did last night was both stupid and dangerous. I'm willing to give him a pass on stupid, but not on dangerous.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Hard fouls are part of the game.

So are suspensions. They are not meant to be mutually exclusive.

BNM