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PtldPlatypus said:
Honestly, remove Bird and Shaq from that list and you really only lose 2 other series' ('81 and '06). So 7 stars have participated in 39 of 43 finals series.

Lebron--10 (07, 11-18. 20)
Magic--9 (80, 82-85, 87-89, 91)
Kobe--7 (00-02, 04, 08-10)
Jordan--6 (91-93, 96-98)
Duncan--6 (99, 03, 05, 07, 13-14)
Curry--6 (15-19, 22)
Hakeem--3 (86, 94-95)
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You be surprised at how few teams of the 30 have won a championship in the last 50 years.
 
Sounds like they are changing the rules on the take foul. Now the team with the ball gets one shot and possession.
 
At least someone like Ainge is not cool with a treadmill team. Even if a small number of teams win the title over however many years, i'd be curious what that number is for number of teams that made the Finals.

Never be content with anything other than your mind on a championship.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
Sounds like they are changing the rules on the take foul. Now the team with the ball gets one shot and possession.
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I'm wondering if that will be the case in the final two minutes of a game. If so that will seriously alter strategy.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
At least someone like Ainge is not cool with a treadmill team. Even if a small number of teams win the title over however many years, i'd be curious what that number is for number of teams that made the Finals.

Never be content with anything other than your mind on a championship.
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Since we were last in the Finals in '93, 20 of the 30 teams in the league have as long as you don't count the Sonics and the Thunder because then it would be 21 but that's not right. So we're in the bottom third of the league when it comes to contending if your metric is getting to the Finals.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Just curious. If KCP got 2 years 30 million..... does that make Norman Powell overpaid at 17-18 million or no?
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Norman Powell $16,758,621
Marcus Smart $16,607,142
Dejounte Murray $16,571,120
Jusuf Nurkić $15,625,000
Jonas Valančiūnas $14,700,000
Kevin Huerter $14,508,929
Wendell Carter Jr. $14,150,000
Josh Hart $12,960,000
Marvin Bagley III $12,500,000
Josh Richardson $12,196,094
Dillon Brooks $11,400,000
RJ Barrett $10,900,635
Bobby Portis $10,843,350
Robert Williams $10,700,000
Jae Crowder $10,183,800
Jakob Poeltl $9,398,148
Alex Caruso $9,034,884
Seth Curry $8,496,653
Gary Payton II $8,300,000
Kevon Looney $7,870,370
Isaiah Hartenstein $7,804,878

yeah, he's overpaid....
 
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wizenheimer said:
Norman Powell $16,758,621
Marcus Smart $16,607,142
Dejounte Murray $16,571,120
Jusuf Nurkić $15,625,000
Jonas Valančiūnas $14,700,000
Kevin Huerter $14,508,929
Wendell Carter Jr. $14,150,000
Josh Hart $12,960,000
Marvin Bagley III $12,500,000
Josh Richardson $12,196,094
Dillon Brooks $11,400,000
RJ Barrett $10,900,635
Bobby Portis $10,843,350
Robert Williams $10,700,000
Jae Crowder $10,183,800
Jakob Poeltl $9,398,148
Alex Caruso $9,034,884
Seth Curry $8,496,653
Gary Payton II $8,300,000
Kevon Looney $7,870,370
Isaiah Hartenstein $7,804,878

yeah, he's overpaid....
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Sure if you are gonna cherry pick salaries. Surprised you didn't throw rookie deals on there too for emphasis.
 
wizenheimer said:
Norman Powell $16,758,621
Marcus Smart $16,607,142
Dejounte Murray $16,571,120
Jusuf Nurkić $15,625,000
Jonas Valančiūnas $14,700,000
Kevin Huerter $14,508,929
Wendell Carter Jr. $14,150,000
Josh Hart $12,960,000
Marvin Bagley III $12,500,000
Josh Richardson $12,196,094
Dillon Brooks $11,400,000
RJ Barrett $10,900,635
Bobby Portis $10,843,350
Robert Williams $10,700,000
Jae Crowder $10,183,800
Jakob Poeltl $9,398,148
Alex Caruso $9,034,884
Seth Curry $8,496,653
Gary Payton II $8,300,000
Kevon Looney $7,870,370
Isaiah Hartenstein $7,804,878

yeah, he's overpaid....
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Russell Westbrook $47,063,478
John Wall $47,345,760
Tobias Harris $37,633,050
Kristaps Porziņģis $33,833,400
D'Angelo Russell $31,377,750
Gordon Hayward $30,075,000
Michael Porter Jr. $29,750,000
Kyle Lowry $28,333,334
Mike Conley $22,680,000
Aaron Gordon $19,690,909
Caris LeVert $18,796,296
Joe Harris $18,642,857
Clint Capela $18,206,897
Evan Fournier $18,000,000
Steven Adams $17,926,829
Duncan Robinson $16,902,000
Norman Powell $16,758,621
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Russell Westbrook $47,063,478
John Wall $47,345,760
Tobias Harris $37,633,050
Kristaps Porziņģis $33,833,400
D'Angelo Russell $31,377,750
Gordon Hayward $30,075,000
Michael Porter Jr. $29,750,000
Kyle Lowry $28,333,334
Mike Conley $22,680,000
Aaron Gordon $19,690,909
Caris LeVert $18,796,296
Joe Harris $18,642,857
Clint Capela $18,206,897
Evan Fournier $18,000,000
Steven Adams $17,926,829
Duncan Robinson $16,902,000
Norman Powell $16,758,621
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Hmmm from that list:

Player 1: 11.3 ppg, 4 rebounds,1 assist, .5 steals shooting 45% from the field and 46.6% from three
Player 2: 15.9 ppg, 4.6 rebounds, 3.6 assists, 1 steal, shooting 46% from the field and 39% from three.
Player 3: 10.9 ppg, 2.6 rebounds, 1.6 assists, .5 steals shooting 40% from the field and 37% from three.
Player 4: 19 ppg, 3.2 rebounds, 2 assists, 0.9 steals, shooting 46% from the field and 42% from three.
Player 5: 17 ppg, 3.7 rebounds, 4.3 assists, 1 steal shooting 44.4% from the field and 32% from three.
Player 6: 14 ppg, 2.6 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 steal shooting 41.7% form the field and 38.9% from three.

Which of those players would you want?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Hmmm from that list:

Player 1: 11.3 ppg, 4 rebounds,1 assist, .5 steals shooting 45% from the field and 46.6% from three
Player 2: 15.9 ppg, 4.6 rebounds, 3.6 assists, 1 steal, shooting 46% from the field and 39% from three.
Player 3: 10.9 ppg, 2.6 rebounds, 1.6 assists, .5 steals shooting 40% from the field and 37% from three.
Player 4: 19 ppg, 3.2 rebounds, 2 assists, 0.9 steals, shooting 46% from the field and 42% from three.
Player 5: 17 ppg, 3.7 rebounds, 4.3 assists, 1 steal shooting 44.4% from the field and 32% from three.
Player 6: 14 ppg, 2.6 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 steal shooting 41.7% form the field and 38.9% from three.

Which of those players would you want?
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This is the one I like to share.

https://stathead.com/tiny/2SJbg

And yes, I think Simons will be better, but we are also paying a 6-8 million dollar per year difference for that potential.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Yeah, we're not paying Simons for the man he is now. We're paying him for the man we hope he becomes.
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Just kinda funny to me how Simons is hailed as a good deal but Powell giving similar production for 6-8million less per year is certainly a bad deal.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Just kinda funny to me how Simons is hailed as a good deal but Powell giving similar production for 6-8million less per year is certainly a bad deal.
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Eh, I don't think anyone has really said it's a good deal. I think most people say it's an overpay. Then again.... I have a lot of the homers on ignore.
 
blazerkor said:
Since we were last in the Finals in '93, 20 of the 30 teams in the league have as long as you don't count the Sonics and the Thunder because then it would be 21 but that's not right. So we're in the bottom third of the league when it comes to contending if your metric is getting to the Finals.
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First of all, we weren't in the Finals in 1993 (Bulls vs Suns). Take away your Blazers fan card. Secondly, there weren't 30 teams back then so I guess it's worse?
 
blazerkor said:
I'm wondering if that will be the case in the final two minutes of a game. If so that will seriously alter strategy.
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No last two minutes of regulation in the 4th and any OT are still okay. Teams need to be able to stop play and save the clock. The NBA lives for the last 2 mins of the game being 15-20 mins long with commercials.
Here is the tweet.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Sure if you are gonna cherry pick salaries. Surprised you didn't throw rookie deals on there too for emphasis.
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YOU were the person who "CHERRY PICKED" a single salary to compare to Powell. I expanded your cherry picking by 20; saw your one, raised twenty

SlyPokerCat said:
There certainly are folks saying he will prove its an underpay. Could be.....

The powell deal is just NOT a bad deal.
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I think the Simons contract is an overpay, and have said so many times. I have also said if the Blazers had let Simons test the market they may have signed him for close to Powell's average salary. No team was going to max Simons or even give him 25M/year. I know there was some paranoia about some team giving Simons a toxic deal, but that was extremely unlikely as well. And maybe some have said it's a bargain deal...I can't recall anybody doing so. But if they did they are simply guessing and buying into Simons continuing his seeming upward trajectory. Maybe that will happen; or maybe his upward trajectory will stall like CJ's did after his 4th season after he got his huge 2nd contract

as far as Powell, I said he was overpaid. I guess that's similar to saying it's a bad deal, but I'd just call it bloated; bloated in dollars and duration

I'd sure as hell rather have Hart at 13M than Powell at 18M. In fact, I'd rather have Hart at 18M than Powell at 18M (both would be overpaid then, but Hart is a 2-way). Powell is not a 2-way player like Hart. Powell is an undersized SG who plays crappy defense, has relatively high usage, and has no PG skills. That's not worth 18M/year in my book

neither Powell or Simons is an egregious overpay, but at least with Simons there is substantial reason to hope he'll grow into the contract

mainly, I'm extremely happy that CJ and Powell aren't Blazers anymore
 
wizenheimer said:
YOU were the person who "CHERRY PICKED" a single salary to compare to Powell. I expanded your cherry picking by 20; saw your one, raised twenty



I think the Simons contract is an overpay, and have said so many times. I have also said if the Blazers had let Simons test the market they may have signed him for close to Powell's average salary. No team was going to max Simons or even give him 25M/year. I know there was some paranoia about some team giving Simons a toxic deal, but that was extremely unlikely as well. And maybe some have said it's a bargain deal...I can't recall anybody doing so. But if they did they are simply guessing and buying into Simons continuing his seeming upward trajectory. Maybe that will happen; or maybe his upward trajectory will stall like CJ's did after his 4th season after he got his huge 2nd contract

as far as Powell, I said he was overpaid. I guess that's similar to saying it's a bad deal, but I'd just call it bloated; bloated in dollars and duration

I'd sure as hell rather have Hart at 13M than Powell at 18M. In fact, I'd rather have Hart at 18M than Powell at 18M (both would be overpaid then, but Hart is a 2-way). Powell is not a 2-way player like Hart. Powell is an undersized SG who plays crappy defense, has relatively high usage, and has no PG skills. That's not worth 18M/year in my book

neither Powell or Simons is an egregious overpay, but at least with Simons there is substantial reason to hope he'll grow into the contract

mainly, I'm extremely happy that CJ and Powell aren't Blazers anymore
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Lol that isn't the only salary I have used to compare Powell too. I forgive you because you haven't been reading all of my posts. It was just the latest signing available to compare to.

You used a rookie salary to compare Powell to. I think you're onto something there. Lets just sign everyone to rookie salaries.

Hart might be paid more than Powell as soon as next year.

My point is people have said Powell was overpaid so getting Keon for him was a win. Which I completely disagree with. 20 ppg scorers are harder to come by than people think. And he is efficient in doing so.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Lol that isn't the only salary I have used to compare Powell too. I forgive you because you haven't been reading all of my posts. It was just the latest signing available to compare to.

You used a rookie salary to compare Powell to. I think you're onto something there. Lets just sign everyone to rookie salaries.

Hart might be paid more than Powell as soon as next year.

My point is people have said Powell was overpaid so getting Keon for him was a win. Which I completely disagree with. 20 ppg scorers are harder to come by than people think. And he is efficient in doing so.
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you're right...I don't follow the progression of every argument here so an isolated post might look different to me than the arguer.

who was the rookie salary...RJ Barret?...my bad...ignore that and focus on the other 19

The Blazers dumped salary and got under the tax with the Clippers trade; some salary last season, and lots of salary in the out years. That had value. And Portland didn't just get Keon; he was secondary to adding Winslow IMO. Part of the equation was Billups + Winslow. Billups + Powell was an obvious bust

I know the people determined to bitch and bitch and bitch about the Clippers trade will keep bitching and bitching. I'm not trying to change those minds and I guess part of the bitching is arguing Powell has a good contract....or at least that's it's not a bad contract. I know this...that contract had negative value to the Blazers
 
wizenheimer said:
you're right...I don't follow the progression of every argument here so an isolated post might look different to me than the arguer.

who was the rookie salary...RJ Barret?...my bad...ignore that and focus on the other 19

The Blazers dumped salary and got under the tax with the Clippers trade; some salary last season, and lots of salary in the out years. That had value. And Portland didn't just get Keon; he was secondary to adding Winslow IMO. Part of the equation was Billups + Winslow. Billups + Powell was an obvious bust

I know some people are determined to bitch and bitch and bitch about the Clippers trade will keep bitching and bitching. I'm not trying to change those minds and I guess part of the bitching is arguing Powell has a good contract....or at least that's it's not a bad contract. I know this...that contract had negative value to the Blazers
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We would have gotten under the tax with the Pelicans trade without trading Powell.

Playing Powell at his rightful position would have been a nice look. And with the salaries being thrown around this offseason, we might have been able to get more for him than Keon and Winslow. Which doesn't even take into consideration Roco who everyone seems to hate now. Even though the Clippers seemed to like him enough to resign him.

Look at the salaries posted that you didn't cherry pick. Powell is paid fine. 17 million for a 20 ppgish scorer isn't an overpay. Fans thought it was a great deal until we traded him.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
We would have gotten under the tax with the Pelicans trade without trading Powell.

Playing Powell at his rightful position would have been a nice look. And with the salaries being thrown around this offseason, we might have been able to get more for him than Keon and Winslow. Which doesn't even take into consideration Roco who everyone seems to hate now. Even though the Clippers seemed to like him enough to resign him.

Look at the salaries posted that you didn't cherry pick. Powell is paid fine. 17 million for a 20 ppgish scorer isn't an overpay. Fans thought it was a great deal until we traded him.
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Yup. There was no urgency to trade him for scraps. We could have waited until closer to the deadline OR waited until this summer. The timing seemed desperate and amateurish.
 
wizenheimer said:
I know the people determined to bitch and bitch and bitch about the Clippers trade will keep bitching and bitching.
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SlyPokerCat said:
We would have gotten under the tax with the Pelicans trade without trading Powell.

Playing Powell at his rightful position would have been a nice look. And with the salaries being thrown around this offseason, we might have been able to get more for him than Keon and Winslow. Which doesn't even take into consideration Roco who everyone seems to hate now. Even though the Clippers seemed to like him enough to resign him.

Look at the salaries posted that you didn't cherry pick. Powell is paid fine. 17 million for a 20 ppgish scorer isn't an overpay. Fans thought it was a great deal until we traded him.
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Natebishop3 said:
Yup. There was no urgency to trade him for scraps. We could have waited until closer to the deadline OR waited until this summer. The timing seemed desperate and amateurish.
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like I said.....

curious...setting aside the hard cap for a bit, would you guys rather have Powell at 18M or Payton at 9M? Which one fits better with Dame/Simons + Billups?
 
wizenheimer said:
like I said.....

curious...setting aside the hard cap for a bit, would you guys rather have Powell at 18M or Payton at 9M? Which one fits better with Dame/Simons + Billups?
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Well, see, here's the thing..... Powell could be traded right now for (in theory) a Kevin Durant. Payton can't be traded until... what... January? And he hard caps us. :dunno:
 
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