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CJ has played his entire career in the western conference. Back court positions have been tough to come by.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
CJ has played his entire career in the western conference. Back court positions have been tough to come by.
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good point, but I think it's really more about team success. If we had more team success, CJ would have been an allstar already.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
CJ has played his entire career in the western conference. Back court positions have been tough to come by.
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they aren't so easy to come by in the East either. Last season:

Trae Young, Kyrie Irving, Darius Garland, LaMelo Ball, Jrue Holiday, Tyrese Maxey, Zach LaVine, Jaylen Brown, Bradley Beal, James Harden, DeMar Derozan, Marcus Smart, Fred Van Vleet, Jimmy Butler, Khris Middleton

going back back 5 years:

Kyrie Irving, Isaiah Thomas (averaged 29 & 6 that year), Kemba Walker, John Wall (before the injuries), Kyle Lowry, Demar Derozan, Victor Oladipo (before the injuries), Jimmy Butler, Khris Middleton

the East was weaker at guard 5 years ago, but still had at least 5 high level guards
 
wizenheimer said:
they aren't so easy to come by in the East either. Last season:

Trae Young, Kyrie Irving, Darius Garland, LaMelo Ball, Jrue Holiday, Tyrese Maxey, Zach LaVine, Jaylen Brown, Bradley Beal, James Harden, DeMar Derozan, Marcus Smart, Fred Van Vleet, Jimmy Butler, Khris Middleton

going back back 5 years:

Kyrie Irving, Isaiah Thomas (averaged 29 & 6 that year), Kemba Walker, John Wall (before the injuries), Kyle Lowry, Demar Derozan, Victor Oladipo (before the injuries), Jimmy Butler, Khris Middleton

the East was weaker at guard 5 years ago, but still had at least 5 high level guards
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Okay.
 
This dude is going to be the first player to be on an NFL roster AND NBA roster. That’s amazing!!!!

 
That’s more impressive than PrimeTime or Bo Jackson!!!
 
wizenheimer said:
they aren't so easy to come by in the East either. Last season:

Trae Young, Kyrie Irving, Darius Garland, LaMelo Ball, Jrue Holiday, Tyrese Maxey, Zach LaVine, Jaylen Brown, Bradley Beal, James Harden, DeMar Derozan, Marcus Smart, Fred Van Vleet, Jimmy Butler, Khris Middleton

going back back 5 years:

Kyrie Irving, Isaiah Thomas (averaged 29 & 6 that year), Kemba Walker, John Wall (before the injuries), Kyle Lowry, Demar Derozan, Victor Oladipo (before the injuries), Jimmy Butler, Khris Middleton

the East was weaker at guard 5 years ago, but still had at least 5 high level guards
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There’s always talent in both conferences but we’ve had years in which 5 of 6 all nba guards were from west.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
There’s always talent in both conferences but we’ve had years in which 5 of 6 all nba guards were from west.
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I agree with this. The wests backcourt players over the last 8 years have been pretty outstanding.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
good point, but I think it's really more about team success. If we had more team success, CJ would have been an allstar already.
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He will probably get picked this year and Dame will get snubbed.
 
Chris Craig said:
He will probably get picked this year and Dame will get snubbed.
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Unless the Pels are the top team in the west, CJ still won't be an all-star. Either he'll be the 3rd-best player on the team behind Zion and Ingram, or one (or both) of those top two will be injured and the Pels won't be good enough for CJ to warrant an all-star nod.
 
Listen, Dame would only be a what....2 time allstar if it weren't for injuries to players ahead of him in vote count... Remember. I just don't feel popularity contests should have a factor in judging players. It's no different than allowing the nut jobs that roam this place have a say.
 
Simply amazing. People are just talking about him passing Kareem. Didn't even realize this.

 
THE HCP said:
Listen, Dame would only be a what....2 time allstar if it weren't for injuries to players ahead of him in vote count... Remember. I just don't feel popularity contests should have a factor in judging players. It's no different than allowing the nut jobs that roam this place have a say.
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You don't think the coaches vote that determines most of the all star selections is something more than a popularity contest?
 
blazerkor said:
You don't think the coaches vote that determines most of the all star selections is something more than a popularity contest?
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People keep bringing this up.....but how long has this been in effect/affect? 5 seasons? What about ALLLLL the seasons where it was simply nut job fans in their moms basements pointing on keyboards? For decades it decided a players value. Now I see players from today being compared to players from the 80s and people use the number of all star game appearances as if it's some significant stat.
Like championship rings.... Stacey King vs Karl Malone. Will Perdue vs Barkley.
If the right person isn't using these accomplishments correctly, it's an absolute mess.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Unless the Pels are the top team in the west, CJ still won't be an all-star. Either he'll be the 3rd-best player on the team behind Zion and Ingram, or one (or both) of those top two will be injured and the Pels won't be good enough for CJ to warrant an all-star nod.
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I guess you have to wonder:

Ja Morant
Luca Doncic
Anthony Edwards
Stephen Curry
Klay Thompson
Devin Booker
Chis Paul
Dejounte Murray
Damian Lillard

CJ would have to beat out 5 of those guys at the same time he held off young guys like Jamal Murray, De'Aaron Fox, SGA, and Jordan Poole

seems pretty unlikely
 
THE HCP said:
People keep bringing this up.....but how long has this been in effect/affect? 5 seasons? What about ALLLLL the seasons where it was simply nut job fans in their moms basements pointing on keyboards? For decades it decided a players value. Now I see players from today being compared to players from the 80s and people use the number of all star game appearances as if it's some significant stat.
Like championship rings.... Stacey King vs Karl Malone. Will Perdue vs Barkley.
If the right person isn't using these accomplishments correctly, it's an absolute mess.
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The coaches have always selected the reserves. The fan vote has only ever affected the starters.

My question to you who is dismissing the value of all-star selections due to fan voting: how many times has a player who didn't deserve an all-star nod been voted a starter by the fans? Can you come up with a single time?
 
THE HCP said:
Simply amazing. People are just talking about him passing Kareem. Didn't even realize this.

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Misleading tweet… I was wondering where CP3 was. Ahead of both Magic and LeBron.

Stockton all time leader at almost 16k is insane! 16k assists!!! Dude legit averaged 10.5 a game. Must have been great to have the mailman.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
The coaches have always selected the reserves. The fan vote has only ever affected the starters.

My question to you who is dismissing the value of all-star selections due to fan voting: how many times has a player who didn't deserve an all-star nod been voted a starter by the fans? Can you come up with a single time?
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Andrew Wiggins last year
 
THE HCP said:
People keep bringing this up.....but how long has this been in effect/affect? 5 seasons? What about ALLLLL the seasons where it was simply nut job fans in their moms basements pointing on keyboards? For decades it decided a players value. Now I see players from today being compared to players from the 80s and people use the number of all star game appearances as if it's some significant stat.
Like championship rings.... Stacey King vs Karl Malone. Will Perdue vs Barkley.
If the right person isn't using these accomplishments correctly, it's an absolute mess.
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You're operating with bad info. Coaches have picked the reserves since 1961. For a little while in the 80's through some time in the 90's only the head coach of the two all star teams picked the reserves but that was only for like 15 seasons and then they went back to a consensus of all head coaches. Fans have never picked the reserves. The NBA started allowing fans to pick the starters in 1974-75 but gave the players and media each 25% of the vote for starters in 2016-17. Again, to be clear the fans have never had any say in the all star reserves and have rarely picked a starter that wouldn't have made the team.

https://www.nba.com/all-star-voting-format-explained
 
Was just looking through the voting, in 16-17, Zaza pachulia was the #2 vote getter for west front court. Lol
 
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