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The G League has a deal with Daily Motion for both individual performance videos
as well as weekly updates. Here's some highlights of former Duck Chris Boucher. Looks like he's doing pretty well on Toronto's G league affiliate.

 
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James lamphear said:
Zach been in the league 2 years and the other 2 ex Blazers been in the league a lot longer. I am not saying I don't like the other 2 ex and I thought Vonleh got the shaft from Stotts. Davis was good too. But Zach in the long run probably will be has good or better. Now offense John Collins gets plays run for him and Zach doesn't. Plus do you think John Collins would be the same player that he is today if he played for us I don't.a Anyway here there defense ratings:

Davis 102
Zach. 103
John C 106
Vonleh 108
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defensive ratings are nearly useless for individual players. They are far too team-centric to use as gauges, at least if you're just arriving at some conclusion based upon those individual numbers.

DRPM, while having some flaws, is a much better gauge. About the only use for defensive rating for individual players is how far below, or above, a player is from the team rating

and I have no clue where you're getting those defensive rating numbers. BBREF says Portland's defensive rating ranking looks like this:

Jusuf Nurkic 105
Maurice Harkless 107
Al-Farouq Aminu 108
Meyers Leonard 109
Zach Collins 109
Jake Layman 110
Evan Turner 110
Damian Lillard 112
CJ McCollum 113
Nik Stauskas 114
Seth Curry 116

(could Olshey have had a worse summer in terms of defensive signings?)

Portland's team rating is 110.3, so Zach, at 109 is 1.3 better than the team. That's good but hardly surprising for a 'big man'. Vonleh, at 110, is 1.6 better than his team. Ed Davis, at 107 is 4.4 better than his team so he easily has the edge in this stat. John Collins is 1.9 worse than his team; that's not good, but he also is 18.7 points better than his team in offensive rating. Theoretically, that gives him a net rating of +16.8. Zach is 2.8 points better in offensive rating giving him a net of +4.1. Now, John Collins was injured and has only played in 11 games so there are sample size issues there. On the other hand, he's a starter so he likely spends more time playing against starters than Zach does

but just like defensive rating, offensive rating is mostly a team gauge

personally, I'm OK with Zach rather than John Collins. I'm not ok with Ed Davis being allowed to walk, especially after Vonleh was traded. But like I've been saying Olshey seems to be a clown when it comes to defensively competent players
 
wizenheimer said:
defensive ratings are nearly useless for individual players. They are far too team-centric to use as gauges, at least if you're just arriving at some conclusion based upon those individual numbers.

DRPM, while having some flaws, is a much better gauge. About the only use for defensive rating for individual players is how far below, or above, a player is from the team rating

and I have no clue where you're getting those defensive rating numbers. BBREF says Portland's defensive rating ranking looks like this:

Jusuf Nurkic 105
Maurice Harkless 107
Al-Farouq Aminu 108
Meyers Leonard 109
Zach Collins 109
Jake Layman 110
Evan Turner 110
Damian Lillard 112
CJ McCollum 113
Nik Stauskas 114
Seth Curry 116

(could Olshey have had a worse summer in terms of defensive signings?)

Portland's team rating is 110.3, so Zach, at 109 is 1.3 better than the team. That's good but hardly surprising for a 'big man'. Vonleh, at 110, is 1.6 better than his team. Ed Davis, at 107 is 4.4 better than his team so he easily has the edge in this stat. John Collins is 1.9 worse than his team; that's not good, but he also is 18.7 points better than his team in offensive rating. Theoretically, that gives him a net rating of +16.8. Zach is 2.8 points better in offensive rating giving him a net of +4.1. Now, John Collins was injured and has only played in 11 games so there are sample size issues there. On the other hand, he's a starter so he likely spends more time playing against starters than Zach does

but just like defensive rating, offensive rating is mostly a team gauge

personally, I'm OK with Zach rather than John Collins. I'm not ok with Ed Davis being allowed to walk, especially after Vonleh was traded. But like I've been saying Olshey seems to be a clown when it comes to defensively competent players
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Wiz - I'm really glad you've made the migration over to this forum. Your insights are greatly appreciated.
 
I heard some talk about Damyean Dotson being available from the Knicks. Latest rumour has him going to the Pistons:



Now that had me thinking- is there a way the Blazers can get their hands on Dotson instead? Would be such a great fit.


- Great size at SG, decent size at SF, solid wingspan. (6-6, 6-9 wingspan)
- Strong as an ox, pro-pro, always in great shape.
- Comes of the bench and plays within strengths.
- Strong rebounder and defender, improved shooter (now almost at 40% from long range).
- Cheap contract.
- Started out at Oregon.
- Not a great playmaker.

It's a shame we don't have 2nds in '19 or '20 or any incoming picks.

What would you give up for him? Knicks probably would ask for Anfernee Simons. Could Trent & Caleb work in some sort of way? Could be a great addition to the squad as it adds size and shooting.
 
Don't see why we'd need to add another Stauskas.
 
ripcityboy said:
The G League has a deal with Daily Motion for both individual performance videos
as well as weekly updates. Here's some highlights of former Duck Chris Boucher. Looks like he's doing pretty well on Toronto's G league affiliate.

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Looks like he has gained some confidence and got his body built up a little.
 
BonesJones said:
Member since 2008, with 24 messages. Weird.
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I answered that in another thread. He's been a mainstay for years on a competitor I won't name, RealGM. His posting here is a feather in Denny's cap. Denny should PAY Wiz and me for being here.
 
BonesJones said:
Not really. You said hes a good defender... he's not.
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Eh... He's perfectly fine on defense, which is quite the feat on that Knicks team. Good awareness, reflexes, positioning and constant eye for his guy including switches. He'd be an upgrade on the wing, while thats not saying much with what we're running out there.
 
perkinsfor3 said:
Eh... He's perfectly fine on defense, which is quite the feat on that Knicks team. Good awareness, reflexes, positioning and constant eye for his guy including switches. He'd be an upgrade on the wing, while thats not saying much with what we're running out there.
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Ehhh, -1.7 career DBPM. That's a team adjusted stat. I don't see how he'd be an upgrade at all. Hes a 2nd round pick whos had a good 20ish game stretch (by his standards) and it's still not impressive.
 
This Bulls situation looks ridiculous for the players. They have contacted the union now because their new coach tried to make them practice on Sunday after they lost by 56 the day before. They are also complaining about having to do too much conditioning in between games.

What a bunch of babies. I realize that for pampered millionaires it's gotta be tough to have a coach making you do a lot more than you're used to at practices during the season but maybe they if they weren't so lazy they'd be better than 6-21.
 
hoopsjock said:
This Bulls situation looks ridiculous for the players. They have contacted the union now because their new coach tried to make them practice on Sunday after they lost by 56 the day before. They are also complaining about having to do too much conditioning in between games.

What a bunch of babies. I realize that for pampered millionaires it's gotta be tough to have a coach making you do a lot more than you're used to at practices during the season but maybe they if they weren't so lazy they'd be better than 6-21.
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The Bulls have had one of the worst front offices in the league...even chased away Phil Jackson and MJ in the end..they were always a penny pinching, throw you under the bus franchise..they just got lucky at the right time..since then they've been one of the bus stations of the NBA
 
riverman said:
The Bulls have had one of the worst front offices in the league...even chased away Phil Jackson and MJ in the end..they were always a penny pinching, throw you under the bus franchise..they just got lucky at the right time..since then they've been one of the bus stations of the NBA
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Oh yes, you're right! I'm not trying to excuse anything their front office has done because they've been terrible too.
 
wizenheimer said:
About the only use for defensive rating for individual players is how far below, or above, a player is from the team rating

John Collins is 1.9 worse than his team; that's not good, but he also is 18.7 points better than his team in offensive rating. Theoretically, that gives him a net rating of +16.8.
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Good post. I "liked" it.

However, I must point out that by your own definition (one I agree with), all those numbers point out is how far below, or above, John Collins is from the rest of his team. Frankly, the rest of his team is really, really shitty. They are 29th in team ORtg and 23rd in team DRtg. So, all these numbers show is John Collins, in a limited sample size of 11 games, is the best scorer on a team of super shitty scorers, and worse defensively than his shitty teammates on a shitty defensive team.

Not enough data, too much shit for me.

Although, it does kind of match the eye test. Collins is the best scorer on a bad team (a 1989-90 Tony Campbell type player) who is even worse on defense than his inept teammates.

So, maybe you're right. Maybe Olshey did draft the wrong Collins. JC would fit right in in Stotts' system.

BNM
 
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Just got home from Prov Hospital after having Kidney stone surgery . Went this am 3am, her had pain that bad before, one 1 7.6mm and the other 7.2mm. Have a 10' stent I have to carry for 7 days.
Thane goodness for dilaton.
 
Hoopguru said:
Just got home from Prov Hospital after having Kidney stone surgery . Went this am 3am, her had pain that bad before, one 1 7.6mm and the other 7.2mm. Have a 10' stent I have to carry for 7 days.
Thane goodness for dilaton.
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I had kidney stones when I was 16 literally felt like a rock going through. That really, really sucked. Only time I've ever had worse pain in my life was when my calf muscle tore while running. I hope your recovery goes smoothly, sorry you had to go through that!
 
Hoopguru said:
Just got home from Prov Hospital after having Kidney stone surgery . Went this am 3am, her had pain that bad before, one 1 7.6mm and the other 7.2mm. Have a 10' stent I have to carry for 7 days.
Thane goodness for dilaton.
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Yikes, I hope you are okay! Where was your pain if you don't mind me asking?
 
Hoopguru said:
Just got home from Prov Hospital after having Kidney stone surgery . Went this am 3am, her had pain that bad before, one 1 7.6mm and the other 7.2mm. Have a 10' stent I have to carry for 7 days.
Thane goodness for dilaton.
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Sounds like you are feeling better, so that's good!
 
Hoopguru said:
Just got home from Prov Hospital after having Kidney stone surgery . Went this am 3am, her had pain that bad before, one 1 7.6mm and the other 7.2mm. Have a 10' stent I have to carry for 7 days.
Thane goodness for dilaton.
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Ouch! Good luck.
 
andalusian said:
Sounds like you are feeling better, so that's good!
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much better, after over a month of dealer with it. The stent is a bit painful but nothing like this am's attack.
Even out of recovery I was in really bad pain, until I got a shot of daloten ?
 
perkinsfor3 said:
I heard some talk about Damyean Dotson being available from the Knicks. Latest rumour has him going to the Pistons:



Now that had me thinking- is there a way the Blazers can get their hands on Dotson instead? Would be such a great fit.


- Great size at SG, decent size at SF, solid wingspan. (6-6, 6-9 wingspan)
- Strong as an ox, pro-pro, always in great shape.
- Comes of the bench and plays within strengths.
- Strong rebounder and defender, improved shooter (now almost at 40% from long range).
- Cheap contract.
- Started out at Oregon.
- Not a great playmaker.

It's a shame we don't have 2nds in '19 or '20 or any incoming picks.

What would you give up for him? Knicks probably would ask for Anfernee Simons. Could Trent & Caleb work in some sort of way? Could be a great addition to the squad as it adds size and shooting.
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Real question:

Is this Damyean Dotson on a burner account tryna drum up fan support for a team he wants his agent to contact?
 
Hoopguru said:
Just got home from Prov Hospital after having Kidney stone surgery . Went this am 3am, her had pain that bad before, one 1 7.6mm and the other 7.2mm. Have a 10' stent I have to carry for 7 days.
Thane goodness for dilaton.
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I'm glad your well enough to post. Take it easy this next week.
 
I find it borderline crazy that phoenix is taking clippers to OT. That team a few nights ago looked like literally one of the worst I had ever seen.
 
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