Around the NBA: February 2019 edition!

[PtldPlatypus]

 

[THE HCP]

That travel by Beal was ridiculous!!!!! I can accept a blown call, but for the refs to actually try to JUSTIFY it! The fuck outta here!

 

[PtldPlatypus]

 

[THE HCP]

Thats horseshit. He saw the defense rotate and he was out of room, just kept walking with the ball. These guys are just digging a bigger whole.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Thats horseshit. He saw the defense rotate and he was out of room, just kept walking with the ball. These guys are just digging a bigger whole.

@trailblazer18 asked the right question to me, are they saying you can “fumble” the ball down the court without dribbling...

 

[THE HCP]

@trailblazer18 asked thebright question to me, they saying you can “fumble” the ball down the court without dribbling...

Basically.

 

[blue9]

Oh god, Harden is now going to make the fumble-flop into a major component of his game.

 

[blue9]

On the bright side, Aminu may now be a serviceable player!

 

[trailblazer18]

I understand if you never have possession of the ball and are fumbling it trying to gather it, or if you have possession and another player touches the ball and you fumble it, you can gather it back. To actually have possession, take your steps, and then fumble without anyone else touching it...no way. How could you possibly judge if it was fumbled on purpose or not?

 

[Chris Craig]

Beal took three steps before "losing the ball" then took a fourth

 

[wizenheimer]

Beal took three steps before "losing the ball" then took a fourth

he was 'gathering' to fumble

 

[Titan]

I understand if you never have possession of the ball and are fumbling it trying to gather it, or if you have possession and another player touches the ball and you fumble it, you can gather it back. To actually have possession, take your steps, and then fumble without anyone else touching it...no way. How could you possibly judge if it was fumbled on purpose or not?

So we now have the NBA’s version of the tuck rule.

 

[dviss1]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25980536/official-nba-ref-group-says-bradley-beal-travel

@dviss1 what say you about the Beal play in the link? How can the NBA refs say that isn't a travel? If that is not a travel, why not just "lose control" of the ball all the way down the court.

I'll take a look at it after work. Without seeing it a couple things:

1. To commit a traveling violation, one must have complete control of the ball.
2. "Losing control" (on purpose) all the way down the court actually indicates that you have control of the ball.

 

[DDolla]

Glad Warriors beat the Jazz, now Kerr can rest half of his team for tomorrow so we can win.

 

[TBpup]

Glad Warriors beat the Jazz, now Kerr can rest half of his team for tomorrow so we can win.

Cousins out.

 

[jlprk]

Cousins out.

To avoid Meyers.

 

[Labinot41]

That travel by Beal was ridiculous!!!!! I can accept a blown call, but for the refs to actually try to JUSTIFY it! The fuck outta here!

You forgot fams! The fuck outta here fams!!!

 

[James lamphear]

Beal already travel before the fumble so referees need to come up with something better. Any way the NBA referees have different rule then other level of ball.

 

[tlongII]

I'll take a look at it after work. Without seeing it a couple things:

1. To commit a traveling violation, one must have complete control of the ball.
2. "Losing control" (on purpose) all the way down the court actually indicates that you have control of the ball.

I hope you have watched video by now because that call looked ridiculous. Be interesting to hear your opinion.

 

[dviss1]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25980536/official-nba-ref-group-says-bradley-beal-travel

@dviss1 what say you about the Beal play in the link? How can the NBA refs say that isn't a travel? If that is not a travel, why not just "lose control" of the ball all the way down the court.

Thats horseshit. He saw the defense rotate and he was out of room, just kept walking with the ball. These guys are just digging a bigger whole.

Beal took three steps before "losing the ball" then took a fourth

I hope you have watched video by now because that call looked ridiculous. Be interesting to hear your opinion.

It's not traveling. It's ugly as shit, but not traveling.

He takes 2 steps and loses control of the ball. By rule a player may regain control of the ball and establish a pivot foot. In addition, said pivot foot may be lifted to pass or shoot.

From someone who's refereed over 7000 games, it's easy to tell if a player has control of the ball or not.

"Fumbling" the ball isn't a natural act and control is easily determined by simply knowing natural basketball movement.

The NBA's interpretation of the play is correct.

 

[Chris Craig]

It's not traveling. It's ugly as shit, but not traveling.

He takes 2 steps and loses control of the ball. By rule a player may regain control of the ball and establish a pivot foot. In addition, said pivot foot may be lifted to pass or shoot.

From someone who's refereed over 7000 games, it's easy to tell if a player has control off the ball or not.

"Fumbling" the ball isn't a natural act and control is easily determined by simply knowing natural basketball movement.

The NBA's interpretation of the play is correct.

Yes sir

 

[tlongII]

It's not traveling. It's ugly as shit, but not traveling.

He takes 2 steps and loses control of the ball. By rule a player may regain control of the ball and establish a pivot foot. In addition, said pivot foot may be lifted to pass or shoot.

From someone who's refereed over 7000 games, it's easy to tell if a player has control off the ball or not.

"Fumbling" the ball isn't a natural act and control is easily determined by simply knowing natural basketball movement.

The NBA's interpretation of the play is correct.

Thanks for the explanation. I think they should consider changing the rules.

 

[trailblazer18]

It's not traveling. It's ugly as shit, but not traveling.

He takes 2 steps and loses control of the ball. By rule a player may regain control of the ball and establish a pivot foot. In addition, said pivot foot may be lifted to pass or shoot.

From someone who's refereed over 7000 games, it's easy to tell if a player has control off the ball or not.

"Fumbling" the ball isn't a natural act and control is easily determined by simply knowing natural basketball movement.

The NBA's interpretation of the play is correct.

I believe you because you are the experienced ref...I just don't believe in this rule or whatever is written that the NBA is referring to

 

[hoopsjock]

It's not traveling. It's ugly as shit, but not traveling.

He takes 2 steps and loses control of the ball. By rule a player may regain control of the ball and establish a pivot foot. In addition, said pivot foot may be lifted to pass or shoot.

From someone who's refereed over 7000 games, it's easy to tell if a player has control off the ball or not.

"Fumbling" the ball isn't a natural act and control is easily determined by simply knowing natural basketball movement.

The NBA's interpretation of the play is correct.

@dviss1 my man, you can't tell me that it doesn't look like after he took 3 steps he is about to dribble again, realizes he doesn't have his dribble and that is when he loses control of the ball. If that's not a travel then there is no reason to ever dribble the ball.

 

[dviss1]

Thanks for the explanation. I think they should consider changing the rules.

Not me. That would be a travesty if the rule of control was not taken into consideration when calling traveling.

 

[tlongII]

Not me. That would be a travesty if the rule of control was not taken into consideration when calling traveling.

Looked like semi-controlled juggling to me. I don't think that should be allowed. Just my opinion though.

 

[dviss1]

@dviss1 my man, you can't tell me that it doesn't look like after he took 3 steps he is about to dribble again, realizes he doesn't have his dribble and that is when he loses control of the ball. If that's not a travel then there is no reason to ever dribble the ball.

He reacted to the defense. And you can't count the step where he dribbles. He only took 2 prior to losing control. After regaining control he can establish his pivot and even lift it.

Looked like semi-controlled juggling to me. I don't think that should be allowed. Just my opinion though.

Again, he reacted to the defense. He lost control of it.

To say he attempted to juggle the ball purposely (because I guarantee you be doesn't know the rule on control) to get away with traveling on purpose is silly.

 

[trailblazer18]

He reacted to the defense. And you can't count the step where he dribbles. He only took 2 prior to losing control. After regaining control he can establish his pivot and even lift it.



Again, he reacted to the defense. He lost control of it.

To say he attempted to juggle the ball purposely (because I guarantee you be doesn't know the rule on control) to get away with traveling on purpose is silly.

I'm just confused why the previous 2 steps shouldn't count? Who cares if he lost control of the ball (on his own account mind you)? Why be so forgiving in this case for losing control of the ball?

 

[dviss1]

I'm just confused why the previous 2 steps shouldn't count? Who cares if he lost control of the ball (on his own account mind you)? Why be so forgiving in this case for losing control of the ball?

Because the hard and fast rule is that one must have control of the ball to travel. This prevents calling traveling in situations where there is no control like a scrum for the ball. There are lots of situations in which you would not call traveling due to not having control.

That rule will never change.

 

[BonesJones]

Seems very easy to do this on purpose and make it look accidental and take advantage of the rule then. It wouldn't fly in pick up ball at all.