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Well, if you believe Gary’s dad there is no way he would’ve played that way here.

And probably no way he stays in Portland either. *If* you believe his dad, I reiterate.
 
Predator said:
Well, if you believe Gary’s dad there is no way he would’ve played that way here.

And probably no way he stays in Portland either. *If* you believe his dad, I reiterate.
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If Neil had believed in bubble Gary and dealt CJ in the 2020 off-season (I was pushing for pre-all-star Randle), who knows where we'd be right now.
 
Ja was chosen 4th for the starters. He is taking over the PG spot so fast. Dude is getting major love. Love the way he plays.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
If Neil had believed in bubble Gary and dealt CJ in the 2020 off-season (I was pushing for pre-all-star Randle), who knows where we'd be right now.
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fuck Neil for trading Trent and then paying older shittier Powell, bozo move.
 
Scalma said:
fuck Neil for trading Trent and then paying older shittier Powell, bozo move.
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I could've sworn everyone thought we signed Powell to a very team-friendly contract. If anyone's to blame, it might actually be Billups for driving Norm's value down.
 
handiman said:
I could've sworn everyone thought we signed Powell to a very team-friendly contract. If anyone's to blame, it might actually be Billups for driving Norm's value down.
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Billups was forced to start him out of position.
 
handiman said:
So was Stotts, and he was still valued enough in that role last year to have been considered a great signing.
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his numbers under billups were actually better than under Stotts. And his contract being valuable is debatable. Some people said it was some people said it wasn’t.
 
AldoTrapani said:
Its unbelievable we really fucked up on this guy. One of the biggest blunders in our history I believe
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With all the buzz lately i would imagine his stats would look much better than Powell's. But strangely enough he scores same amount of points less efficiently with less rebounds and assists. He performs much better defensively though.
 
Just saw Cj first game with the pelicans and omg do ya see their crowd? There’s barley anybody there! And ya worried about the blazers moving lmao
 
AldoTrapani said:
Just saw Cj first game with the pelicans and omg do ya see their crowd? There’s barley anybody there! And ya worried about the blazers moving lmao
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blazers aren't ever going to leave portland, but crowds at Moda have been worse this year.
 
Scalma said:
his numbers under billups were actually better than under Stotts. And his contract being valuable is debatable. Some people said it was some people said it wasn’t.
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I don't remember anyone saying it wasn't a good value contract at the time of the signing.

Numbers obviously don't equate to perceived value in this case.
 
handiman said:
I don't remember anyone saying it wasn't a good value contract at the time of the signing.

Numbers obviously don't equate to perceived value in this case.
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Hollinger said teams think the years are a liability. Anyways this is straying from your original statement that Billups is to blame because he drove his value down. That’s just the stretch of all stretches and objectively false.
 
Scalma said:
Hollinger said teams think the years are a liability.
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Now, sure, when his value has been driven down. No one was suggesting the contract or annual salary were too high at the time. Unless you've got some references I'm unaware of. I'm pretty sure it was just the opposite, with general praise for locking him in long-term at a good rate.

Anyways this is straying from your original statement that Billups is to blame because he drove his value down. That’s just the stretch of all stretches and objectively false.
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Nice bailout attempt. ;)
 
handiman said:
Now, sure, when his value has been driven down. No one was suggesting the contract or annual salary were too high at the time. Unless you've got some references I'm unaware of. I'm pretty sure it was just the opposite, with general praise for locking him in long-term at a good rate.



Nice bailout attempt. ;)
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We can go in circles all you want about the value of his contract, but you’re avoiding your own point again. How can Powell’s value be driven down by Billups if his numbers under him were better than under Stotts?
 
illmatic99 said:
blazers aren't ever going to leave portland, but crowds at Moda have been worse this year.
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Oh I know but these clowns who think they are become hilarious when there’s teams like the Pelicans that literally have nobody go to their games
 
Scalma said:
We can go in circles all you want about the value of his contract, but you’re avoiding your own point again. How can Powell’s value be driven down by Billups if his numbers under him were better than under Stotts?
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Because numbers obviously aren't everything. I already addressed that.

1) Powell was widely viewed as a steal this time a year ago, and his new contract was equally widely praised as team-friendly. Do you dispute either of those? If so, please provide evidence to the contrary. 2) Numerous sources have said there was concern around the league about the number of years on his contract this past week. Agreed?

Unless you disagree on either of those points, there's only one logical conclusion there: Powell's value is down this year. And if that's the case, if blame is going to be placed anywhere, the new coach has to be the first culprit, not the old GM who inked Powell to what was considered a good deal for the team.

If we're still going in circles after that attempt to clarify, then I'm out. I know you have no intention of admitting fault.
 
Norm's contract is a steal only for a team that hopes to contend with him being 3rd or 4th option - which is what the Blazers thought they would be. Instead, when it became obvious that they would not - and with the emergence of Ant - he was replaceable.

It is clear that the Clippers which believe they can contend with KL and PG - believe they got a steal as they do not really have that 3rd / 4th guy which is why they went after him - but I suspect there are not that many teams that really want a 3rd / 4th option on such a long contract - if they are not sure they contend. If you look at the realistic contenders - PHX do not need him, Brooklyn is the same, PHI has enough guards even after the Seth / Simmons trade, MIL and Miami have no need for him nor do the Warriors. Once you get into the not really contenders - I do not see a lot of interest in a 5 years contract for a guy like him - sure he is a good player, but he is not good enough to really commit to for such a long time - which is probably why his value was depressed on the trade market.
 
andalusian said:
Norm's contract is a steal only for a team that hopes to contend with him being 3rd or 4th option - which is what the Blazers thought they would be. Instead, when it became obvious that they would not - and with the emergence of Ant - he was replaceable.

It is clear that the Clippers which believe they can contend with KL and PG - believe they got a steal as they do not really have that 3rd / 4th guy which is why they went after him - but I suspect there are not that many teams that really want a 3rd / 4th option on such a long contract - if they are not sure they contend. If you look at the realistic contenders - PHX do not need him, Brooklyn is the same, PHI has enough guards even after the Seth / Simmons trade, MIL and Miami have no need for him nor do the Warriors. Once you get into the not really contenders - I do not see a lot of interest in a 5 years contract for a guy like him - sure he is a good player, but he is not good enough to really commit to for such a long time - which is probably why his value was depressed on the trade market.
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The problem is, at least for me, that I think Norm was a better option as a starting shooting guard on a contender than I think Ant will be.

I think Ant needs to be a lead guard. He basically needs to be in Dame's spot. I don't think he's going to be a good option as a backcourt mate with Dame.

Norm, on the other hand, should have been a great role player shooting guard on a reasonable contract. At least in theory. I would have honestly preferred to trade Ant if the goal is really to try to put together a contender around Dame.
 
Natebishop3 said:
The problem is, at least for me, that I think Norm was a better option as a starting shooting guard on a contender than I think Ant will be.

I think Ant needs to be a lead guard. He basically needs to be in Dame's spot. I don't think he's going to be a good option as a backcourt mate with Dame.

Norm, on the other hand, should have been a great role player shooting guard on a reasonable contract. At least in theory. I would have honestly preferred to trade Ant if the goal is really to try to put together a contender around Dame.
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The beauty of having Ant - is that he might be a better lead guard than CJ was when Dame sits down - and as you have noticed - a lot more likely to work as a lead guard - which Norm is not.

So, the Blazers might be looking at both short and long term here - and with Hart also in the mix - they have Norm's replacement as the 3rd guard - he might even start next to Dame - and play next to Ant when Dame sits - with Dame and Ant finishing games.

I think the Blazers simply saw Hart as a more affordable, slightly bigger replacement to Norm (with a shorter contract - so again, more flexibility) - and Ant as the replacement for CJ - so that seems like the Blazers 3 guard rotation.
 
andalusian said:
Norm's contract is a steal only for a team that hopes to contend with him being 3rd or 4th option - which is what the Blazers thought they would be. Instead, when it became obvious that they would not - and with the emergence of Ant - he was replaceable.

It is clear that the Clippers which believe they can contend with KL and PG - believe they got a steal as they do not really have that 3rd / 4th guy which is why they went after him - but I suspect there are not that many teams that really want a 3rd / 4th option on such a long contract - if they are not sure they contend. If you look at the realistic contenders - PHX do not need him, Brooklyn is the same, PHI has enough guards even after the Seth / Simmons trade, MIL and Miami have no need for him nor do the Warriors. Once you get into the not really contenders - I do not see a lot of interest in a 5 years contract for a guy like him - sure he is a good player, but he is not good enough to really commit to for such a long time - which is probably why his value was depressed on the trade market.
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How is Brooklyn a realistic contender? They've lost 10 straight, are deep in the play-in standings, and have traded away an All Star for borderline All Star talent. Now Cleveland! Now we're talking about a contender. Best non-LeBron Cleveland team ever. Everything is clicking. #2 in East and trending upward. Is Kevin Love leading the 6th Man of the Year race?
 
KSF-ERIC said:
How is Brooklyn a realistic contender? They've lost 10 straight, are deep in the play-in standings, and have traded away an All Star for borderline All Star talent. Now Cleveland! Now we're talking about a contender. Best non-LeBron Cleveland team ever. Everything is clicking. #2 in East and trending upward. Is Kevin Love leading the 6th Man of the Year race?
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It's kind of crazy to call Harden an all star given the fact that he's been dogging it and last year's runner up DPOY and a guy that does everything at an elite offensive level besides shooting borderline. Brooklyn with Simmons and Seth did just get a lot better than they were with a disengaged Harden.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
How is Brooklyn a realistic contender? They've lost 10 straight, are deep in the play-in standings, and have traded away an All Star for borderline All Star talent. Now Cleveland! Now we're talking about a contender. Best non-LeBron Cleveland team ever. Everything is clicking. #2 in East and trending upward. Is Kevin Love leading the 6th Man of the Year race?
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I do like what Cleveland is doing.
 
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