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Boob-No-More said:
Based on Fitzgerald's comment that LeBron used vulgarity in his ear multiple times, it sounds like LeBron was testing the young official to see how far he could push him. Now he knows.

BNM
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The Donkey does it all the time with no penalty. MFs need to be consistent.
 
dviss1 said:
The Donkey does it all the time with no penalty. MFs need to be consistent.
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To be fair, has Green done any of that crap to this particular official?
 
dviss1 said:
The Donkey does it all the time with no penalty. MFs need to be consistent.
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Yep, for some reason he gets away with way too much shit. If I was reffing him, I'd hit him up with one T early to let him know I'm not going to put up with his shit. Either knock it off, or get a second T and an early shower.

Same with Doc Rivers. Give him one the first time he deserves it so you don't have to listen to him croaking in your ear all game long. I've never seen another coach ride the officials from opening tip off to final buzzer the way Doc does.

BNM
 
BonesJones said:
Have to remember that they have bigger size and less hand-eye coordination. That is more of a factor that a higher release point. But yes, that is definitely why were seeimg more shooting from big men
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That's been conventional wisdom, especially with dudes like Shaq. But now you've got guys like Kawhi, and super coordinated bigs like Durant, turning that thinking on its head.

I think hand size and coordination were just excuses for spending less time developing shooting skills. Even now, as guards develop their halfcourt game and bigs develop their perimeter game, we're seeing the former lose their mid-range game and the latter lose their post game. I guess there's only so much practice time that can be devoted to developing skills at a high enough level for the NBA game. But, the same thing is happening at lower levels... So, maybe it's mental, pigeon-holing issue more than a practice time constraint?
 
handiman said:
That's been conventional wisdom, especially with dudes like Shaq. But now you've got guys like Kawhi, and super coordinated bigs like Durant, turning that thinking on its head.

I think hand size and coordination were just excuses for spending less time developing shooting skills.
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Bingo! I never bought Shaq's big hands excuse for his poor FT shooting. Plenty of guys with huge hands have been good FT shooters (Sabas and Clyde to name two).

It was a lack if work ethic. He simply chose not to spend his summers working on the most obvious weakness in his game. It had nothing to do with the size of his hands. He had terrible shooting form and a ridiculously inconsistent stroke - two things that can be corrected through proper training and repetition.

But that takes work and its much easier t blame your poor performance on something that no amount of practice can "fix". Not my fault, my hands are just too damn big. Nothing I can do about it. Total cop out.

BNM
 
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Bron didn't care he got tossed cause they were crushing those guys. If it had been a tight game, I'm quite sure you would have seen a different reaction from him. And as far as the play itself, he got fouled 3 times! I don't care what dviss said.
 
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riverman said:
Shaq said once he's actually has played with a fucked up wrist his whole career....it's not his size...according to what I heard him say...it affected his shot
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I haven't heard that one, but I do recall Shaw saying he coasted for much of his career, only playing at about 75% of his ability. He was a great player, but didn't have the drive to be the greatest of all time. Put Jordan's motivation in Shaq' body and you'd have to rewrite the record books.

BNM
 
As I recall Shaq always came into the season out of shape, then used the regular season as preseason and gradually got into shape in time for the playoffs. :dunno:
 
Shaq was famous for sitting out the first half of every season with a sore toe.....
 
You can't argue with the playoff success or career longevity that approach yielded. There have been plenty of crazy talented bigs that didn't milk it as long as Shaq did.

San Antonio, Miami, Cleveland, Golden State... They've largely followed that formula once reaching the top and having to keep their stars healthy.
 
dviss1 said:
1 word. This same word would simultaneously get rid of flopping altogether too.

Consistency.
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Understood, but since they're not robots, you can't expect each official to react identically to subjective situations. Each individual ref needs to be consistent with the way they handle things, but players always need to adjust from one ref to the next.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Understood, but since they're not robots, you can't expect each official to react identically to subjective situations. Each individual ref needs to be consistent with the way they handle things, but players always need to adjust from one ref to the next.
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Bro, in our meetings we have what are called "points of emphasis". We have these every year. It's why you see traveling called A LOT more this year.

There needs to be a point of emphasis on idiotic behavior.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Understood, but since they're not robots, you can't expect each official to react identically to subjective situations. Each individual ref needs to be consistent with the way they handle things, but players always need to adjust from one ref to the next.
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It would be nice though if the Age Of Refs As Personalities ended... we're getting there; no Dick Bavetta or Baldy McTechnical or Kenny The Hairdo anymore...
 
dviss1 said:
Bro, in our meetings we have what are called "points of emphasis". We have these every year. It's why you see traveling called A LOT more this year.

There needs to be a point of emphasis on idiotic behavior.
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You might see a lot more fouling out and ejections if that's the "point of emphasis." :lol:
 
ripcityboy said:
I'd kill to have Covington on this team. He'd solve so many problems.
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Totally. It's too late though. Philly knows what they have and signed him to a long term deal. It's a pretty damned good contact too.
 
handiman said:
Yeah, I believe that's what the coach said.

There's been some interesting research over the years that taller players are actually better shooters, all else being equal, because of the higher trajectory creating more favorable bounces. I wonder if that's what we're finally starting to see with all the stretch-4's and stretch-5's? Until recently, the tall guys never honed their shooting skills to the same degree as the guards.
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BonesJones said:
Have to remember that they have bigger size and less hand-eye coordination. That is more of a factor that a higher release point. But yes, that is definitely why were seeimg more shooting from big men
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It's obvious why a higher arc is better within reason. You effectively widen the opening of the hoop compared to a flatter shot.

If you remember when Clyde started making a few more threes he added more arc. Still had the same ugly form.
 
theprunetang said:
Totally. It's too late though. Philly knows what they have and signed him to a long term deal. It's a pretty damned good contact too.
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I'm not good with timeframes and dates and things like that but, is there there anything stopping us from locking up Nurk to a long term deal now before other teams can offer?
 
Shaboid said:
I'm not good with timeframes and dates and things like that but, is there there anything stopping us from locking up Nurk to a long term deal now before other teams can offer?
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I'm not the guy for that. I know my strengths and weaknesses.
 
Shaboid said:
I'm not good with timeframes and dates and things like that but, is there there anything stopping us from locking up Nurk to a long term deal now before other teams can offer?
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I think we could have until the end of October or so but not we have to wait (if we had cap space we could at any point but we don't) until July.
 
Hobbesarable said:
You might see a lot more fouling out and ejections if that's the "point of emphasis." :lol:
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Yeah if the mods applied that point of emphasis to S2 ejections, this place would cease to exist ;)
 
riverman said:
Shaq said once he's actually has played with a fucked up wrist his whole career....it's not his size...according to what I heard him say...it affected his shot
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I remember this too. However, I could shoot left handed as well as he shot with his right. I'm a rightie too.

Free throws are the one thing us regular dudes can compare to a pro basketball player.
 
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