Event Around the NBA: Oh hell, it's December 2025! (2 Viewers)

[kjironman1]

yeah right...my 'numbers' are laughable because they conflict with your unsupported and subjective assertions. You say you're "not going to argue stats and attendance"...then you do exactly that by arguing the attendance numbers are laughable. But those are the numbers whether you like them or not

in 2028-19 when the Blazers won 53 games their average attendance was 19,496 which is actually a bit over seating capacity of around 19.400. There was no Chinese player on the team at the time, yet somehow, Blazer attendance averaged 1,775 more without the massive Yang impact

in 2022-23, when the Blazers only won 33 games but were led by Dame having arguably his best season as a pro, Portland averaged 18,716, basically a 1000 more attending than this season so far.

all the Blazers need to do to amp up attendance is put a better product on the floor; a team that wins more games than they lose while being led by great players

I said I’m not arguing your attendance stats because they have absolutely nothing to do with the point that is being made.
If you can’t understand that the team has more Chinese fans now than before and that those fans will produce more revenue because the team won’t lose the revenue they already were getting then obviously you are stuck on the lost side of the contrarian narrative you seem to always take.
Again. Take the time to actually buy a ticket and sit in the arena and come back and visit this conversation. I’m willing to bet you will see things very differently.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Where did this guy come from!!!

Where did Nic Claxton come from?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

MPJr is sure balling out on offense for the Nets. I wonder if they see him as a building block or as a flippable asset.

Last ten games (not counting tonight, where he scored 35 points and was +31, albeit against the hapless Pelican'ts)



I bet there's a faction of Nuggets fandom who compare these stats unfavorably with Cam Johnson's.

 

[wizenheimer]

I said I’m not arguing your attendance stats because they have absolutely nothing to do with the point that is being made.
If you can’t understand that the team has more Chinese fans now than before and that those fans will produce more revenue because the team won’t lose the revenue they already were getting then obviously you are stuck on the lost side of the contrarian narrative you seem to always take.
Again. Take the time to actually buy a ticket and sit in the arena and come back and visit this conversation. I’m willing to bet you will see things very differently.

more Chinese fans? sure

more Chinese fans attending games, buying expensive tickets, and luxury suites? not proven....no evidence

it's not like Chinese fans are going to expand attendance by 5000 a game. Might not even be 500 game; or 200. So far, there has only been a 176/game attendance difference between last season and this season and you've offered nothing to support that has much to do with Yang sitting on the bench

besides that, I was responding to a tweet that said Jody Allen wanted the Chinese revenue boost for the sale. So I was asking where that boost was coming from. If there are 100 more Chinese fans spending $150 on tickets and refreshments every game, the total boost might be 600-700K in a year while Yang's salary is 4.4M. That's not a good exchange rate. In other words, I don't think drafting Yang had anything to do with expanding revenue or charging up the sale. Ithink it was all about Cronin/Schmitz getting worked up about Yang

MPJr is sure balling out on offense for the Nets. I wonder if they see him as a building block or as a flippable asset.

Last ten games (not counting tonight, where he scored 35 points and was +31, albeit against the hapless Pelican'ts)

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I bet there's a faction of Nuggets fandom who compare these stats unfavorably with Cam Johnson's.

39M/year vs 22M/year

 

[e_blazer]

more Chinese fans? sure

more Chinese fans attending games, buying expensive tickets, and luxury suites? not proven....no evidence

it's not like Chinese fans are going to expand attendance by 5000 a game. Might not even be 500 game; or 200. So far, there has only been a 176/game attendance difference between last season and this season and you've offered nothing to support that has much to do with Yang sitting on the bench

besides that, I was responding to a tweet that said Jody Allen wanted the Chinese revenue boost for the sale. So I was asking where that boost was coming from. If there are 100 more Chinese fans spending $150 on tickets and refreshments every game, the total boost might be 600-700K in a year while Yang's salary is 4.4M. That's not a good exchange rate. In other words, I don't think drafting Yang had anything to do with expanding revenue or charging up the sale. Ithink it was all about Cronin/Schmitz getting worked up about Yang

39M/year vs 22M/year

AI says Yang is a big revenue source for the Blazers:

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Yes, drafting Yang Hansen has significantly boosted the Portland Trail Blazers' popularity in China, attracting millions of new fans, skyrocketing retail sales (over 1000%), and dominating Chinese social media engagement, making them a household name there with massive viewership for even G League games. The "Yang Hansen effect" brings a huge new audience, with projections for regular season games reaching 10 million viewers in China and huge interest in merchandise like Chinese-character jerseys.
Evidence of Increased Chinese Fanbase:

• Massive Viewership: Tencent projects up to 10 million Chinese fans per game, a huge jump from previous seasons.
• Exploding Social Media: The team's social media engagement in China (Weibo, Douyin) surged, adding nearly 900,000 followers in under a month and outpacing other NBA teams.
• Record-Breaking G League Games: A G League game featuring Hansen drew 36.3 million unique viewers in China, a staggering figure.
• Surging Retail: Blazers' retail sales increased by over 1000% compared to 2024, with Yang Hansen merchandise outselling even superstar gear.
• National Pride: Hansen represents a major national symbol, drawing in Chinese fans who hadn't followed the NBA in years, according to Reddit users.

Impact on the Team:

• The Blazers gained access to the massive Chinese market by drafting Yang Hansen, instantly boosting their global brand.
• His potential, coupled with his marketability, makes him a pivotal player for the team's future growth in Asia. “

 

[wizenheimer]

AI says Yang is a big revenue source for the Blazers:

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Yes, drafting Yang Hansen has significantly boosted the Portland Trail Blazers' popularity in China, attracting millions of new fans, skyrocketing retail sales (over 1000%), and dominating Chinese social media engagement, making them a household name there with massive viewership for even G League games. The "Yang Hansen effect" brings a huge new audience, with projections for regular season games reaching 10 million viewers in China and huge interest in merchandise like Chinese-character jerseys.
Evidence of Increased Chinese Fanbase:

• Massive Viewership: Tencent projects up to 10 million Chinese fans per game, a huge jump from previous seasons.
• Exploding Social Media: The team's social media engagement in China (Weibo, Douyin) surged, adding nearly 900,000 followers in under a month and outpacing other NBA teams.
• Record-Breaking G League Games: A G League game featuring Hansen drew 36.3 million unique viewers in China, a staggering figure.
• Surging Retail: Blazers' retail sales increased by over 1000% compared to 2024, with Yang Hansen merchandise outselling even superstar gear.
• National Pride: Hansen represents a major national symbol, drawing in Chinese fans who hadn't followed the NBA in years, according to Reddit users.

Impact on the Team:

• The Blazers gained access to the massive Chinese market by drafting Yang Hansen, instantly boosting their global brand.
• His potential, coupled with his marketability, makes him a pivotal player for the team's future growth in Asia. “

that is all BRI income though. The Atlanta Hawks earn as much of that revenue as Portland does

I'm not arguing that Yang isn't popular in China or that he doesn't bring attention to the NBA. I'm simply saying the avenues for Portland, by itself, to earn more revenue from China after drafting Yang are limited






the NBA is in control of almost all of that revenue. Even if the Blazers form partnerships with Chinese companies, the revenue from those partnerships is generally part of BRI

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[KingSpeed]

Nuggets overthought it when they traded MPJ. He’s going to be an All Star and they will regret trading him. Like trading James Harden for Kevin Martin.

 

[kjironman1]

more Chinese fans? sure

more Chinese fans attending games, buying expensive tickets, and luxury suites? not proven....no evidence

it's not like Chinese fans are going to expand attendance by 5000 a game. Might not even be 500 game; or 200. So far, there has only been a 176/game attendance difference between last season and this season and you've offered nothing to support that has much to do with Yang sitting on the bench

besides that, I was responding to a tweet that said Jody Allen wanted the Chinese revenue boost for the sale. So I was asking where that boost was coming from. If there are 100 more Chinese fans spending $150 on tickets and refreshments every game, the total boost might be 600-700K in a year while Yang's salary is 4.4M. That's not a good exchange rate. In other words, I don't think drafting Yang had anything to do with expanding revenue or charging up the sale. Ithink it was all about Cronin/Schmitz getting worked up about Yang

39M/year vs 22M/year

Good god man. You simply have absolutely no clue how marketing and advertising works obviously.
Stick with your stats my man. If you don’t understand the possibilities of all the basketball fans from the most populous country in the entire world starting to pay attention to a player on a team like the Blazers you probably shouldn’t enter into conversations like this.
Your 176 people stance is laughable like I said. Then you doubled down and then tripled. Wow!

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Nuggets overthought it when they traded MPJ. He’s going to be an All Star and they will regret trading him. Like trading James Harden for Kevin Martin.

Hard disagree (no Net is going to be an All-Star, Nuggets will be just fine when Aaron Gordon gets back). But got to hand it to MPJ, he's working through stuff:

 

[SheedSoNasty]

MPJ is putting up the same efficiency and basic numbers as usual. He’s just getting more attempts in Brooklyn. Remember when Mikal Bridges’ scoring went up after going there?

 

[kjironman1]

AI says Yang is a big revenue source for the Blazers:

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View attachment 78149
Yes, drafting Yang Hansen has significantly boosted the Portland Trail Blazers' popularity in China, attracting millions of new fans, skyrocketing retail sales (over 1000%), and dominating Chinese social media engagement, making them a household name there with massive viewership for even G League games. The "Yang Hansen effect" brings a huge new audience, with projections for regular season games reaching 10 million viewers in China and huge interest in merchandise like Chinese-character jerseys.
Evidence of Increased Chinese Fanbase:

• Massive Viewership: Tencent projects up to 10 million Chinese fans per game, a huge jump from previous seasons.
• Exploding Social Media: The team's social media engagement in China (Weibo, Douyin) surged, adding nearly 900,000 followers in under a month and outpacing other NBA teams.
• Record-Breaking G League Games: A G League game featuring Hansen drew 36.3 million unique viewers in China, a staggering figure.
• Surging Retail: Blazers' retail sales increased by over 1000% compared to 2024, with Yang Hansen merchandise outselling even superstar gear.
• National Pride: Hansen represents a major national symbol, drawing in Chinese fans who hadn't followed the NBA in years, according to Reddit users.

Impact on the Team:

• The Blazers gained access to the massive Chinese market by drafting Yang Hansen, instantly boosting their global brand.
• His potential, coupled with his marketability, makes him a pivotal player for the team's future growth in Asia. “

Thank you for posting that but it should be obvious that this is the case. Certainly for a board "Brainiac" like Wisenheimer. But then he has to go all Atlanta Hawks... Who gives a rats azz about what Atlanta is making. The Conversation is and always was about the Blazers and increased revenue.

He will want to move the goalpost as soon as he is shown he's wrong. This has clown show written all over it.

At some point it would be nice for him to just say "Oh I get it. Yes they probably will have a great chance to improve some revenue with this kid".
But no that won't happen.

 

[kjironman1]

I'm not arguing that Yang isn't popular in China or that he doesn't bring attention to the NBA. I'm simply saying the avenues for Portland, by itself, to earn more revenue from China after drafting Yang are limited

Like I said. "Move the goalpost"

And no those options are not "Very Limited"
It's like you live in the stone ages. The NBA is a global league now. You can watch a game from anywhere in the world at any time. The merchandise can be bought from anywhere in the world and delivered by the end of the week.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Also, although a sizeable proportion of fans won't care, the fact remains that MPJ is - how to put it? A bit of a douchebag.

 

[wizenheimer]

Good god man. You simply have absolutely no clue how marketing and advertising works obviously.
Stick with your stats my man. If you don’t understand the possibilities of all the basketball fans from the most populous country in the entire world starting to pay attention to a player on a team like the Blazers you probably shouldn’t enter into conversations like this.
Your 176 people stance is laughable like I said. Then you doubled down and then tripled. Wow!

great....more pie in the sky nonsense...by the way pound sand with your condescending crap

You keep saying I don't "get it", but you're the one who's having trouble coming up with any argument. I'm asking how the Blazers can actually monetize Yang without sharing it with the other 29 teams....after the NBA takes it's cut...??...you haven't said how. Portland's financial ledgers are audited by the NBA; consistently and systematically. International sources of revenue are all part of BRI, whether it's broadcast revenue, merchandising revenue, advertising revenue. or partnership deals. The league has thoroughly locked down money coming in from international sources

What that leaves for teams like Portland are two main sources of revenue they mostly keep: ticket sales, gate receipts, and ancillary revenue from home games. And local TV and streaming contracts. If Chinese TV wants to run the Blazer Broadcasting feed in China, that's BRI revenue. How many Chinese-Americans living in Salem or Woodburn or Hood River have signed up for subscriptions to Blazer broadcasts they couldn't already get with their cable or satellites because of Yang?

the normal seating capacity of the Moda is a little less than 19,400. So, the annual attendance at sell-out capacity is around 794,000. Anything over that would be SRO. So, what are the attendance numbers for the Blazers since the Roy/Aldridge teams:

2007-08....801,566
2008-09....841,499
2009-10....840,371
2010-11....840,924
2011-12....676,384 (lockout season; 33 home games; avg attendance = 20,496; equals 840,336 for 41 games)
2012-13....813,012
2013-14....809,612
2014-15....798,368
2015-16....794,085
2016-17....792,029
2017-18....795,750
2018-18....799,345
2019-20....628,303 - Covid-32 home games; avg 19,635 = 805,035
2020-21....Covid
2021-22....705,608 (36 home games; avg 19,600 = 803,600)
2022-23....767,374 - Blazers 33-49 as the 4 year tank starts rolling
2023-24....751,395 - Dame gone; tank fully engaged with 21-61 record
2024-25....719,369 - to tank or not to tank; 36-46 record; avg 17,546
2025-26....avg 17,721 - the Yang tsunami reached Moda shores....not

I can't recall exactly but I'm thinking that sometime in those years the Blazers did a remodel, maybe adding luxury suites, but the remodel eliminated a lot of SRO space.

in any event, I'm essentially seeing about 13 straight years of sellouts and full capacity and the Blazers managed to do it without a Chinese sensation. All it took was competitive teams making the playoffs...go figure

so again, please try and explain just how the Blazers will get a big revenue boost from Yang, and try to do it without condescension and an over-reliance on vague buzzwords that mean nothing. I'm actually open to persuasion on this, but I have asked before and have not been given any concrete examples.

 

[wizenheimer]

Like I said. "Move the goalpost"

And no those options are not "Very Limited"
It's like you live in the stone ages. The NBA is a global league now. You can watch a game from anywhere in the world at any time. The merchandise can be bought from anywhere in the world and delivered by the end of the week.

where was it I said that the NBA was NOT marketed in other countries. I never said that. What I have said is that all that international revenue is locked down by the NBA as part of BRI. Internationally, Yang will generate as much money for the Atlanta Hawks or the Detroit Pistons as he does for the Blazers

it all goes into the BRI pie and is split 30 ways; actually it's split 31 because the league takes a portion

 

[BigGameDamian]

Pat Spencer sure seems like a CTC kinda guy.

 

[THE HCP]

Who is this guy!!

 

[kjironman1]

great....more pie in the sky nonsense...by the way pound sand with your condescending crap

You keep saying I don't "get it", but you're the one who's having trouble coming up with any argument. I'm asking how the Blazers can actually monetize Yang without sharing it with the other 29 teams....after the NBA takes it's cut...??...you haven't said how. Portland's financial ledgers are audited by the NBA; consistently and systematically. International sources of revenue are all part of BRI, whether it's broadcast revenue, merchandising revenue, advertising revenue. or partnership deals. The league has thoroughly locked down money coming in from international sources

What that leaves for teams like Portland are two main sources of revenue they mostly keep: ticket sales, gate receipts, and ancillary revenue from home games. And local TV and streaming contracts. If Chinese TV wants to run the Blazer Broadcasting feed in China, that's BRI revenue. How many Chinese-Americans living in Salem or Woodburn or Hood River have signed up for subscriptions to Blazer broadcasts they couldn't already get with their cable or satellites because of Yang?

the normal seating capacity of the Moda is a little less than 19,400. So, the annual attendance at sell-out capacity is around 794,000. Anything over that would be SRO. So, what are the attendance numbers for the Blazers since the Roy/Aldridge teams:

2007-08....801,566
2008-09....841,499
2009-10....840,371
2010-11....840,924
2011-12....676,384 (lockout season; 33 home games; avg attendance = 20,496; equals 840,336 for 41 games)
2012-13....813,012
2013-14....809,612
2014-15....798,368
2015-16....794,085
2016-17....792,029
2017-18....795,750
2018-18....799,345
2019-20....628,303 - Covid-32 home games; avg 19,635 = 805,035
2020-21....Covid
2021-22....705,608 (36 home games; avg 19,600 = 803,600)
2022-23....767,374 - Blazers 33-49 as the 4 year tank starts rolling
2023-24....751,395 - Dame gone; tank fully engaged with 21-61 record
2024-25....719,369 - to tank or not to tank; 36-46 record; avg 17,546
2025-26....avg 17,721 - the Yang tsunami reached Moda shores....not

I can't recall exactly but I'm thinking that sometime in those years the Blazers did a remodel, maybe adding luxury suites, but the remodel eliminated a lot of SRO space.

in any event, I'm essentially seeing about 13 straight years of sellouts and full capacity and the Blazers managed to do it without a Chinese sensation. All it took was competitive teams making the playoffs...go figure

so again, please try and explain just how the Blazers will get a big revenue boost from Yang, and try to do it without condescension and an over-reliance on vague buzzwords that mean nothing. I'm actually open to persuasion on this, but I have asked before and have not been given any concrete examples.

Okay change the point and move the goalpost again.
Eventually you will make some minute point that you can say you were trying to make from the beginning.
Have a good day.

 

[kjironman1]

where was it I said that the NBA was NOT marketed in other countries. I never said that. What I have said is that all that international revenue is locked down by the NBA as part of BRI. Internationally, Yang will generate as much money for the Atlanta Hawks or the Detroit Pistons as he does for the Blazers

it all goes into the BRI pie and is split 30 ways; actually it's split 31 because the league takes a portion

Okay
Now you want to make your point the BRI. Okay.

 

[wizenheimer]

Okay change the point and move the goalpost again.
Eventually you will make some minute point that you can say you were trying to make from the beginning.
Have a good day.

bullshit..I have been saying the same thing(s) in my posts

and I started by responding to a tweet that talked about Jody Allen wanting Yang selected in order to boost revenue for a sale of the team. So I'm asking just how that would work considering what the BRI includes. You have answered that with nothing other than insults

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Magic Star Franz Wagner Suffers Leg Injury After Taking Nasty Spill vs. Knicks

Franz Wagner was helped off the floor after suffering a leg injury during Knicks-Magic on Sunday.

www.si.com

Deni's All Star chances just went up

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

That looked exactly like Przybilla’s injury — ruptured patella tendon

 

[wizenheimer]

Magic Star Franz Wagner Suffers Leg Injury After Taking Nasty Spill vs. Knicks

Franz Wagner was helped off the floor after suffering a leg injury during Knicks-Magic on Sunday.

www.si.com

Deni's All Star chances just went up

not good when a player immediately grabs his knee

 

[kjironman1]

bullshit..I have been saying the same thing(s) in my posts

and I started by responding to a tweet that talked about Jody Allen wanting Yang selected in order to boost revenue for a sale of the team. So I'm asking just how that would work considering what the BRI includes. You have answered that with nothing other than insults

Told you to go buy a ticket and figure it out.
Pretty simple man.
Yang could have a huge impact outside the BRI which you only added to the conversation after you went all 170 tickets increase.
You don’t seem to be paying attention is all I’m saying. Lots of revenue that is unrelated to the BRI.

 

[wizenheimer]

Lots of revenue that is unrelated to the BRI.

no, there isn't; at least not international revenue. The NBA has worked to include those sources in the BRI and one of the reasons was what Houston did with Yao Ming. And it wasn't just the NBA, it was also the Player's Union. They both noticed the potential of international revenue and subsequent CBA's swept those sources into the BRI






as I've been saying, the NBA and the NBPA have made sure to sweep just about all of the international revenue into the BRI pie. If there are avenues for the Blazers to earn any significant revenue in China that the NBA doesn't control I haven't heard of them

 

[HansenYang]

That looked exactly like Przybilla’s injury — ruptured patella tendon

Who...

 

[blazerkor]

no, there isn't; at least not international revenue. The NBA has worked to include those sources in the BRI and one of the reasons was what Houston did with Yao Ming. And it wasn't just the NBA, it was also the Player's Union. They both noticed the potential of international revenue and subsequent CBA's swept those sources into the BRI

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as I've been saying, the NBA and the NBPA have made sure to sweep just about all of the international revenue into the BRI pie. If there are avenues for the Blazers to earn any significant revenue in China that the NBA doesn't control I haven't heard of them

The one place I could see us being able to get additional revenue from Yang is if we made sure our uniform patch and/or on court advertisers were for companies that had products available to Chinese consumers.

 

[wizenheimer]

The one place I could see us being able to get additional revenue from Yang is if we made sure our uniform patch and/or on court advertisers were for companies that had products available to Chinese consumers.

pretty sure that would be BRI...because the revenue would be coming from China

 

[THE HCP]

Who...

Tell us you aren’t a Blazers fan without telling us.