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WillG said:
Cj, Turner, Butler was pretty much exactly what I was thinking. I was holding out for the Blazers to make a play on Butler.
Yes the offensive output would drop a little - but the defensive increase is massive.

Another player I would trade him for is Anthony Davis, to plug in next to Nurk.

I like Dame off the court (personality - not the rap BS), but just not a fan of his total game on the court. Way over-rated. His defense is woeful. Till he can bring up his defensive play - he's only half of a great player - and should not be mentioned with the likes of Blazer greats (like Drexler).
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You realize offense is more player oriented and defense is team orientated, right? One great offensive player can carry an offense of scrubs, while one bad defender won't result in a bad defense if the other guys are good defenders. Offensively you're in control, therefore an individual can maximize his talents. Defense is reactionary, therefore one bad defender isn't going to result in a net negative.

There's a reason Tony Allen didn't get signed until now. There's a reason offensive guards always have a bigger impact offensively than negative impact defensively. Calling him half great is bullshit.

The defensive increase from Lillard to Butler would be extremely overrated. One player does not make or break a defense, which isnt the case offensively.

Your don't even respect him for another passion he's pursuing with which he puts out respectable content? You call it BS?

He shouldn't me mentioned with other Blazer greats? Gtfo. You obviously don't understand how much more important a great offensive player is compared to a great defensive player.

Let's see if I can bring up a metaphor you understand. In football, having a great QB is much more important than having a great defensive lineman. That's because the QB is in control and everyone benefits from him (WRs, RBs, etc.). A great defensive lineman is great at his role, but he's not in control of the game so therefore his talent doesn't have as much of an impact. He also doesn't have the affect of making the rest of the defense better.
 
BonesJones said:
You realize offense is more player oriented and defense is team orientated, right?

The defensive increase from Lillard to Butler would be extremely overrated. One player does not make or break a defense, which isnt the case offensively.

Your don't even respect him for another passion he's pursuing with which he puts out respectable content? You call it BS?
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you're entitled to your opinion as much as I am to mine.
I think he's over-rated. Doesn't mean i don't like or respect the guy.

Having said that - yes - I DO think rap is Bullshit with a capital B. . .
 
I HAVE AN IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT FOR ALL OF YOU STILL HOPING FOR A MEYERS LEONARD BREAKOUT !!!

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Yup. Same ol' Butters.
 
BonesJones said:
You realize offense is more player oriented and defense is team orientated, right? One great offensive player can carry an offense of scrubs, while one bad defender won't result in a bad defense if the other guys are good defenders. Offensively you're in control, therefore an individual can maximize his talents. Defense is reactionary, therefore one bad defender isn't going to result in a net negative.
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I couldn't disagree with you more on this point. Not only are you wrong about offense, but to call Defense reactionary flies in the face of what I was taught growing up.
 
WillG said:
Cj, Turner, Butler was pretty much exactly what I was thinking. I was holding out for the Blazers to make a play on Butler.
Yes the offensive output would drop a little - but the defensive increase is massive.

Another player I would trade him for is Anthony Davis, to plug in next to Nurk.

I like Dame off the court (personality - not the rap BS), but just not a fan of his total game on the court. Way over-rated. His defense is woeful. Till he can bring up his defensive play - he's only half of a great player - and should not be mentioned with the likes of Blazer greats (like Drexler).
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Was MVP Steve Nash a great player?
 
I refuse to hold Dame, or CJ, responsible for our awful defense until I see them play defense under a competent coach. It's always been my belief that anyone can play defense, and that the success or failure of a defense reflects entirely on the coach. It might take great individual defenders to take a defense from good to great, but you don't need elite individuals to have an average-to-good defense. If you have a coach who thinks there's only one way to defend a pick/roll, you're never going to be a good defensive team.
 
SIeepwalker said:
I HAVE AN IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT FOR ALL OF YOU STILL HOPING FOR A MEYERS LEONARD BREAKOUT !!!

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Yup. Same ol' Butters.
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He contested a shot and took an elbow to the mouth for his effort. Yeah, what a fucking softy. And certainly no other player has ever been scored on.

The Meyers hate is tiresome.
 
BBert said:
He contested a shot and took an elbow to the mouth for his effort. Yeah, what a fucking softy. And certainly no other player has ever been scored on.

The Meyers hate is tiresome.
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So he took an elbow.

You haven't played basketball until you have:

A. Been hit in the face with the ball.
B. Taken an elbow.

Not.

Swayed.
 
BBert said:
He contested a shot and took an elbow to the mouth for his effort. Yeah, what a fucking softy. And certainly no other player has ever been scored on.

The Meyers hate is tiresome.
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You can't anchor a defense if try to block shots with your eyes closed.
 
There not that many one on one defense players in this league. To have successful NBA defense it has to be team defense and the scheme has to come from the coach and the players has to exercise it.That what Nurk brought to the table when he came he energized everyone on both ends. Yes I even seen Dame and CJ give more effort on the D ends. I know Nurk had few words to Dame last year on the D end.
 
Oakley is suing James Dolan and the Knicks!!! Get em' Oak!!!

Charles Oakley sues Knicks owner James Dolan, Madison Square Garden

Former New York Knicks enforcer Charles Oakley filed a federal lawsuit on Tuesday in New York against Knicks owner James Dolan, Madison Square Garden and MSG Networks for defamation, assault, false imprisonment and violations to the Americans with Disabilities Act over his treatment at a game earlier this year.

In a 21-page complaint -- which often read like the back of a trading card with Oakley’s career highlights listed in detail -- the former Knicks forward seeks unspecified damages and requests a jury trial.

The lawsuit stems from Oakley’s confrontation with MSG security during a Knicks-Los Angeles Clippers game on Feb. 8 that eventually led to Oakley’s arrest on four misdemeanors (three counts of assault and one count of trespassing).

A statement released on behalf of The Madison Square Garden Company said: "This is a frivolous lawsuit and nothing more than another attempt by Mr. Oakley to garner attention. We will deal with this accordingly."

The Americans with Disabilities Act claim targets Dolan’s statements on ESPN Radio two days after the incident, when Dolan said that Oakley “may have a problem with alcohol.”

“Mr. Oakley has never had a problem with excessive anger nor has he ever abused alcohol or any other drug,” the lawsuit states.

The suit claims that Dolan and MSG have caused irreparable harm to Oakley, “discriminated against him based on the false perception that he is an alcoholic."

Oakley agreed to adjournment in contemplation of dismissal in a deal with prosecutors last month, which will lead the charges to be dropped if there are no new arrests over the next six months. As part of the deal, Oakley agreed not to enter MSG for one year.
 
dviss1 said:
Oakley is suing James Dolan and the Knicks!!! Get em' Oak!!!

Charles Oakley sues Knicks owner James Dolan, Madison Square Garden

Former New York Knicks enforcer Charles Oakley filed a federal lawsuit on Tuesday in New York against Knicks owner James Dolan, Madison Square Garden and MSG Networks for defamation, assault, false imprisonment and violations to the Americans with Disabilities Act over his treatment at a game earlier this year.

In a 21-page complaint -- which often read like the back of a trading card with Oakley’s career highlights listed in detail -- the former Knicks forward seeks unspecified damages and requests a jury trial.

The lawsuit stems from Oakley’s confrontation with MSG security during a Knicks-Los Angeles Clippers game on Feb. 8 that eventually led to Oakley’s arrest on four misdemeanors (three counts of assault and one count of trespassing).

A statement released on behalf of The Madison Square Garden Company said: "This is a frivolous lawsuit and nothing more than another attempt by Mr. Oakley to garner attention. We will deal with this accordingly."

The Americans with Disabilities Act claim targets Dolan’s statements on ESPN Radio two days after the incident, when Dolan said that Oakley “may have a problem with alcohol.”

“Mr. Oakley has never had a problem with excessive anger nor has he ever abused alcohol or any other drug,” the lawsuit states.

The suit claims that Dolan and MSG have caused irreparable harm to Oakley, “discriminated against him based on the false perception that he is an alcoholic."

Oakley agreed to adjournment in contemplation of dismissal in a deal with prosecutors last month, which will lead the charges to be dropped if there are no new arrests over the next six months. As part of the deal, Oakley agreed not to enter MSG for one year.
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Good for Oakley
 
dviss1 said:
I couldn't disagree with you more on this point. Not only are you wrong about offense, but to call Defense reactionary flies in the face of what I was taught growing up.
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Defense is reactionary. If the ball is one pass away, deny you're assignment. Two passes away means have a foot in the paint to be in position to provide helpside defense. That's reactionary, dependent upon where the ball is on the court. If you're two passes away and the on-ball defend gets beat, the right (reactionary) thing to do is to provide help. If the ball handler that you help onto passes it to your guy, the next closest weakside defender closes out on your original assignment, giving you time to recover to his original assignment if the ball is swung. That's all reactionary.

One-on-one, if a player tries to drive at your left shoulder, you react by sliding left to take away his drive. If he pulls up, you react by trying to contest his shot. It's reactionary. I don't know what you were taught that wasn't reactionary.

We can address how I'm "wrong" about offense after this, lol.
 
BonesJones said:
Defense is reactionary. If the ball is one pass away, deny you're assignment. Two passes away means have a foot in the paint to be in position to provide helpside defense. That's reactionary, dependent upon where the ball is on the court. If you're two passes away and the on-ball defend gets beat, the right (reactionary) thing to do is to provide help. If the ball handler that you help onto passes it to your guy, the next closest weakside defender closes out on your original assignment, giving you time to recover to his original assignment if the ball is swung. That's all reactionary.

One-on-one, if a player tries to drive at your left shoulder, you react by sliding left to take away his drive. If he pulls up, you react by trying to contest his shot. It's reactionary. I don't know what you were taught that wasn't reactionary.

We can address how I'm "wrong" about offense after this, lol.
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I was taught to funnel a player to where I wanted him to go. I was taught to ATTACK offenses. Not react to them. The offense is supposed to react to the Defense.

Hence the saying:

"Take what the Defense gives you".
 
^ I could see that hurting Utah as much as losing Gordy. At least Hood can pick up the slack for the latter.
 
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