Around the NBA - September 2017 Edition

[handiman]

SHit, sir you have NEVER seen me complain about Dame's defensive game, ever. I have played the game and was raised in it's culture. I know when you have a player with his skills, it's on his teammates to cover for whatever "weaknesses" he may have. Now if he isn't doing it on the offensive end that another story.
When guys like Ben Wallace and Rodman are out there handling their business on the defensive end and shitting the bed on offense, NOBODY complains, it's just accepted. Then why can't a player who is unstoppable with the ball in their hands get the same treatment. Good question huh?

It's an interesting perspective that made me stop and think for a minute. My counter-argument would be this: A Wallace/Rodman type helps the defense as much as a Lillard type helps the offense. However, Lillard clearly hurts the defense while Wallace/Rodman are basically neutral on offense. They're not go-to players, but they're always a threat around the glass.

So, yeah, it's a good question, but not a valid argument.

(I would have left Rodman out, as I feel his post-Pistons defense was historically overrated.)

 

[Eastoff]

Thats the best GIF ever. Whatg is it's orgin????

From a fake youtube rap battle mocking youtube rap battles

 

[dviss1]

Thats the best GIF ever. Whatg is it's orgin????

 

[BlazerCaravan]

46.7 million. Crazy.

Salaries in 2021-22 already guaranteed:

Russ- 46.7 mil
Curry- 45.8 mil
Harden- 43.8 mil
Wall- 43.8 mil
Blake- 38.96 mil (PO)
Jrue Holiday (LOL)- 27 mil (PO)

Dame caps out at 31.6 mil the season prior and CJ at 29.3 mil in 20-21.

Dame and CJ look like bargains given their age in 2022.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

First day of training camp: Get PRP injections.
Fourth day of training camp: Sign $205m contract extension.

I have never heard of a player getting PRP injections that became better with time. Hope it works for them.

PRP is all about enriching... which obviously worked!

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[andalusian]

PRP is all about enriching... which obviously worked!

Prp is done to help heal injuries. This is not a good sign, anytime you heard about someone getting PRP injections in the past - he was pretty much done in 2 - 3 years (See Kobe, Roy). But, as I said - good luck to them.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Prp is done to help heal injuries. This is not a good sign, anytime you heard about someone getting PRP injections in the past - he was pretty much done in 2 - 3 years (See Kobe, Roy). But, as I said - good luck to them.

I was making a pun on the "rich" in PRP and how much money Russ got

Obviously I could have done better; if I had it to do over I'd have said "Those platelets aren't the only thing rich about Russ!"

 

[BlazerCaravan]

ge wh!

 

[THE HCP]

Man this guy IS actually nuts right? 12K posts and he acts like a rook...... he's like Private Pyle in Full Metal Jacket!

 

[THE HCP]

Shit who cares about shots to the knee. OUR star has one knee surgery and is DONE......theirs has what, 3, and is superhuman!! Damn our wet soggy weather.....

 

[BonesJones]

Man this guy IS actually nuts right? 12K posts and he acts like a rook...... he's like Private Pyle in Full Metal Jacket!

Oh is that the cutoff? You still refer to me as a rook..

 

[BonesJones]

But I thought tons on here didn't like his game. He was a "stat stuffer" if I recall.
Good for him. A player who puts up historical numbers deserves a historical contract!

Thinking he's overrated and not liking his game is two different things.

 

[BonesJones]

Sit who cares about shots to the knee. OUR star has one knee surgery and is DONE......theirs has what, 3, and is superhuman!! Damn our wet soggy weather.....

*Facepalm*

 

[BonesJones]

Prp is done to help heal injuries. This is not a good sign, anytime you heard about someone getting PRP injections in the past - he was pretty much done in 2 - 3 years (See Kobe, Roy). But, as I said - good luck to them.

I wouldn't mind Westbrook falling off. He's got his money now. OKC felt our misfortune with a star leaving (Aldridge/Durant), maybe they should feel our misfortune with a star falling off (Westbrook/Roy). It'd be karma.

 

[BonesJones]

Thats the best GIF ever. Whatg is it's orgin????

I thought you knew the streetz?

 

[Boob-No-More]

Russell Westbook works for General Electric? Cool, I did not know that.

Dame spends his off season making rap albums and, apparently, Westbrook spends his off season making toaster ovens and crock pots.

BNM

 

[BonesJones]

It's an interesting perspective that made me stop and think for a minute. My counter-argument would be this: A Wallace/Rodman type helps the defense as much as a Lillard type helps the offense. However, Lillard clearly hurts the defense while Wallace/Rodman are basically neutral on offense. They're not go-to players, but they're always a threat around the glass.

So, yeah, it's a good question, but not a valid argument.

(I would have left Rodman out, as I feel his post-Pistons defense was historically overrated.)

I think advanced stats show that individual players have more of an effect on the offense as they do the defense. Having a bad offensive player on the court allows the defense to take whoevers guarding that player and have him help out and load up on the other teams best player. Whenever they drive. Yeah, those players are on the glass, but that's helped by their defender completely helping onto slashers because they're assignment isn't a threat.

 

[BonesJones]

SHit, sir you have NEVER seen me complain about Dame's defensive game, ever. I have played the game and was raised in it's culture. I know when you have a player with his skills, it's on his teammates to cover for whatever "weaknesses" he may have. Now if he isn't doing it on the offensive end that another story.
When guys like Ben Wallace and Rodman are out there handling their business on the defensive end and shitting the bed on offense, NOBODY complains, it's just accepted. Then why can't a player who is unstoppable with the ball in their hands get the same treatment. Good question huh?

Great question. I think that's because defense is mainly hustle and effort while offense is mainly skill. Therefore, those that don't defend are interpreted as not giving enough effort, while those that struggle on offense don't have the skill required to be good on that side of the ball. I think that's the difference.

You played the game and were raised in the culture? Are we talking about streetball or organized basketball?
Because my experience was that the leader and best player on the team should set the tone (and lead by example) by giving 100% effort on both sides of the ball. I feel like if Dame gave more effort on defense, the team would do so as well because they follow their leader. That's why I think it's important for Dame to take defensive improvement seriously. I've heard him use the excuse that "Not many players D up in the league." That's the last thing I'd expect to hear from him, but I've heard it. Instead of caring, taking accountability, and giving 100% effort on that side of the ball, he uses an excuse so that he doesn't have to do any of those things. It's very unlike him. He's a dog from Oakland, and I only see that in his offensive game..

 

[theprunetang]

DAMN, he went there!

You know your Game is weak when you get savaged by the nicest, kindest guy on the board.

 

[dviss1]

Great question. I think that's because defense is mainly hustle and effort while offense is mainly skill. Therefore, those that don't defend are interpreted as not giving enough effort, while those that struggle on offense don't have the skill required to be good on that side of the ball. I think that's the difference.

You played the game and were raised in the culture? Are we talking about streetball or organized basketball?
Because my experience was that the leader and best player on the team should set the tone (and lead by example) by giving 100% effort on both sides of the ball. I feel like if Dame gave more effort on defense, the team would do so as well because they follow their leader. That's why I think it's important for Dame to take defensive improvement seriously. I've heard him use the excuse that "Not many players D up in the league." That's the last thing I'd expect to hear from him, but I've heard it. Instead of caring, taking accountability, and giving 100% effort on that side of the ball, he uses an excuse so that he doesn't have to do any of those things. It's very unlike him. He's a dog from Oakland, and I only see that in his offensive game..

If you see Dame's deficiencies on D being a symptom of needing to give more effort, I'd wholeheartedly disagree.

 

[THE HCP]

Wow, Embid is just NOW cleared for HALF court.

 

[BonesJones]

If you see Dame's deficiencies on D being a symptom of needing to give more effort, I'd wholeheartedly disagree.

His effort on the court isn't bad, it's his effort off the court in terms of focusing on bettering his technique and having that translate to the court.

 

[ripcityboy]

OKC 140 million in tax! Somebody want to get Willie Nelson to write a tie in diddy.

 

[handiman]

I think advanced stats show that individual players have more of an effect on the offense as they do the defense.

Stats, advanced or otherwise, do a poor job of capturing defensive contributions.

Having a bad offensive player on the court allows the defense to take whoevers guarding that player and have him help out and load up on the other teams best player. Whenever they drive. Yeah, those players are on the glass, but that's helped by their defender completely helping onto slashers because they're assignment isn't a threat.

It's a catch-22. By helping out on slashers, it makes those guys a bigger threat on the glass. At worst, they're neutral factors offensively, which is a lot more than can be said of a defender of Lillard's caliber.

 

[BonesJones]

Stats, advanced or otherwise, do a poor job of capturing defensive contributions.



It's a catch-22. By helping out on slashers, it makes those guys a bigger threat on the glass. At worst, they're neutral factors offensively, which is a lot more than can be said of a defender of Lillard's caliber.

Which is why offensive guards and defensive bigs are the best combination.

 

[KingSpeed]

Great question. I think that's because defense is mainly hustle and effort while offense is mainly skill. Therefore, those that don't defend are interpreted as not giving enough effort, while those that struggle on offense don't have the skill required to be good on that side of the ball. I think that's the difference.

You played the game and were raised in the culture? Are we talking about streetball or organized basketball?
Because my experience was that the leader and best player on the team should set the tone (and lead by example) by giving 100% effort on both sides of the ball. I feel like if Dame gave more effort on defense, the team would do so as well because they follow their leader. That's why I think it's important for Dame to take defensive improvement seriously. I've heard him use the excuse that "Not many players D up in the league." That's the last thing I'd expect to hear from him, but I've heard it. Instead of caring, taking accountability, and giving 100% effort on that side of the ball, he uses an excuse so that he doesn't have to do any of those things. It's very unlike him. He's a dog from Oakland, and I only see that in his offensive game..

Link and context please. Did he follow that up with "but I do"?

 

[Elton]

OKC 140 million in tax! Somebody want to get Willie Nelson to write a tie in diddy.

You were always on my mind...you were always on my...mind.

 

[theprunetang]

You were always on my mind...you were always on my...mind.

Is this the song that Westbrook sings to himself before every game?

 

[Elton]

Is this the song that Westbrook sings to himself before every game?

Probably just the Pet Shop Boys version.