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HailBlazers said:
Too bad loved his D.
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This season the team has just over $90 million invested in Dame/CJ/Powell. Ant is behind those 3 on the depth chart and it is being suggested we pay him as much or more than Nurk and RoCo.

I'm sorry - but there is no feckin' way that is a sensible way to manage the cap or build a roster!
 
julius said:
signing Simons to a 12-14 million dollar contract doesn't seem so out of the ordinary now
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let's see, Bridges had an 8.0 winshare mark last season, Simons had 1.8. So, by that gauge Simons is worth 5M a year. Bridges has 15.7 winshares in 3 years; Simons has 2.0. By that gauge, if Simons gets 13M/year, Bridges is worth 102M/year

Bridges had a +3.0 BPM last season while Simons was at -1.3. Bridges career mark is +0.7 while Simons is at -3.2. Bridges has a career Value over Replacement of +4.7; Simons has a -0.6

Everybody went gaga about Simons shooting .426 from three last season; well Bridges shot .425. And while Simons was shooting .402 on two's, Bridges was shooting .647. Simons had by far his best TS% last season at .589. That's significantly lower than Bridges career mark of .618; and Bridges had a mark of .667 last season.

and Bridges is doing this as a starter playing against 1st unit defenses, while also always guarding the other team's best perimeter player. So no, Simons is not close to being worth 13M/year based upon the Bridges contract. Cut that number in half
 
wizenheimer said:
So no, Simons is not close to being worth 13M/year based upon the Bridges contract. Cut that number in half
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I'd say cut it by 75%. $6.5M per year is more than the tax payer's MLE--there's no way I would use the full TPMLE on a free agent Ant.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Is this a joke?

One is a quality starter on a finals team.

The other is a shitty backup that might be out of the NBA soon.
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Lol, out of the nba soon.

Sure. Let's bookmark this page to revisit it in a year.
 
julius said:
Lol, out of the nba soon.

Sure. Let's bookmark this page to revisit it in a year.
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I don't know how "soon," but it looks like Crabbe is out of the league before turning 30. I think people would have been similarly dismissive of that prediction at the time that discussion of extending him came up. Simons is just as unproductive and one-trick.
 
Minstrel said:
I don't know how "soon," but it looks like Crabbe is out of the league before turning 30. I think people would have been similarly dismissive of that prediction at the time that discussion of extending him came up. Simons is just as unproductive and one-trick.
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HEY! He's TWO trick (if jumping counts as a trick).
 
Simons not getting an extension (because he needs to prove he's worth keeping) is another reason we can't afford to do the CJ-for-Simmons-and-3-first-rounders-and-3-pick-swaps that was rumored. We currently have zero young players that we can genuinely get excited about (I refuse to have hopes for Nas until he can prove he can stay off the injured list for at least ten games in a row). The only kind of teams (like the Clippers) that can mortgage their futures like that are teams in big markets with super-committed owners who can attract FAs.
 
Minstrel said:
I don't know how "soon," but it looks like Crabbe is out of the league before turning 30. I think people would have been similarly dismissive of that prediction at the time that discussion of extending him came up. Simons is just as unproductive and one-trick.
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Crabbe and Simons are not even remotely the same type of player.

We're the same fan base that gave up on Trent after his 2nd year, many people believes Collins wouldn't receive a decent contract, and he did. Maybe we're not the best judge of talent on here?
 
wizenheimer said:
let's see, Bridges had an 8.0 winshare mark last season, Simons had 1.8. So, by that gauge Simons is worth 5M a year. Bridges has 15.7 winshares in 3 years; Simons has 2.0. By that gauge, if Simons gets 13M/year, Bridges is worth 102M/year

Bridges had a +3.0 BPM last season while Simons was at -1.3. Bridges career mark is +0.7 while Simons is at -3.2. Bridges has a career Value over Replacement of +4.7; Simons has a -0.6

Everybody went gaga about Simons shooting .426 from three last season; well Bridges shot .425. And while Simons was shooting .402 on two's, Bridges was shooting .647. Simons had by far his best TS% last season at .589. That's significantly lower than Bridges career mark of .618; and Bridges had a mark of .667 last season.

and Bridges is doing this as a starter playing against 1st unit defenses, while also always guarding the other team's best perimeter player. So no, Simons is not close to being worth 13M/year based upon the Bridges contract. Cut that number in half
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bridges was the #10 pick in that draft and is 4 yrs older. what is the point of this comparison?
 
Minstrel said:
I don't know how "soon," but it looks like Crabbe is out of the league before turning 30. I think people would have been similarly dismissive of that prediction at the time that discussion of extending him came up. Simons is just as unproductive and one-trick.
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Isn't it crazy how ALL of Crabbe, ML, and Turners are all out of the league after the contract we handed out in 2016? Bet they never imagine the biggest contract in their lives will be the last contract they will ever get.

Mo as well, but he is hanging on with Minimum deals for now.
 
Jelloman said:
Isn't it crazy how ALL of Crabbe, ML, and Turners are all out of the league after the contract we handed out in 2016? Bet they never imagine the biggest contract in their lives will be the last contract they will ever get.

Mo as well, but he is hanging on with Minimum deals for now.
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the same can be said of quite a few deals given out that summer. no excuse, but we weren't the only ones handing out these contracts:

Drummond-- 5yrs 130 mil, on a minimum now
Batum -- 5 yrs 120 mil, on a minimum now
Whiteside -- 4 yrs, 98 mil, on a minimum now
Dwight -- 3 yrs 71 mil, on a minimum now
Parsons- 4yrs, 99 mil, out of league
Bazemore -- 4yrs 70 mil, on a minimum now
Ryan Anderson -- 4 yrs 80 mil, out of league
Biyombo -- 4 yrs 72 mil, minimum
Mozgov -- 4 yrs 65 mil, out of league
Luol Deng -- 4yrs 72 mil, out of league
Noah -- 4 yrs, 72 mil, out of league
etc etc etc.

the market was out of whack that year. Just a shame that we had most of our FAs up for contracts that summer. Similar to what I foresee happening with Simons and his eventual retention here, most of this was an asset play of not wanting to lose homegrown talent for nothing. (i realize we did that with Zach, but were it not for his injury history, i think he woulda received a contract here. Dude is STILL in a walking boot).
 
julius said:
We're the same fan base that gave up on Trent after his 2nd year,
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that's not true, in his 2nd season he averaged about 11 points on good shooting the last 2 months before the Covid suspension; and averaged 17 points on 50% three point shooting in the bubble. Nobody was willing to give up on him at that time. After his first season, sure...but Simons just completed his 3rd season and has been consistently in the rotation for 2 years

julius said:
many people believes Collins wouldn't receive a decent contract, and he did. Maybe we're not the best judge of talent on here?
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I think it was more that people, including myself, were saying that if Zach got an offer from some team for much more than the minimum, let that other team take the risk. Don't throw good money after bad. And he didn't really get a good contract; he's a 10th pick who only got 10.7M guaranteed on a 3 year deal. Which is about what Festus Ezeli got from Portland, and we know how that worked out
 
julius said:
signing Simons to a 12-14 million dollar contract doesn't seem so out of the ordinary now
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the max i would go for Simons given his production and supposed potential is ~8 mil/yr for 3 yrs. Give him a player option to get out before year 3 to incentivize his growth. Outside of 3pt shooting, he's been replacement level or worse at every other skill. And he plays a position where we are loaded. The appeal of Ant remains to be unrealized potential.
 
wizenheimer said:
that's not true, in his 2nd season he averaged about 11 points on good shooting the last 2 months before the Covid suspension; and averaged 17 points on 50% three point shooting in the bubble. Nobody was willing to give up on him at that time. After his first season, sure...but Simons just completed his 3rd season and has been consistently in the rotation for 2 years
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at the start of 2nd season, people were bitching about his production, and it wasn't until the bubble that he really showed anything to get excited about.
 
julius said:
at the start of 2nd season, people were bitching about his production, and it wasn't until the bubble that he really showed anything to get excited about.
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moving goalposts

you said: "We're the same fan base that gave up on Trent after his 2nd year"
 
Aminu can't even get minutes on lottery teams since we got rid of him - amazing we made it to the WCF with Harkless and Aminu as our starting forwards.
 
BlazerBeav said:
Aminu can't even get minutes on lottery teams since we got rid of him - amazing we made it to the WCF with Harkless and Aminu as our starting forwards.
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if you compare the 2018-19 numbers of Aminu & Harkless vs RoCo and Nance last season, they are very close. If either pair has a slight advantage it's Aminu/Harkless
 
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