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So who gets credits for the wins this season. Since Dame got credit for every win since he got here? Do we just continue the trend?

How do you ask this now? There's no way to determine this without seeing games.

That whole win as a team thing is a cliché. Certain folks are responsible for wins and for losses.

I'm specifically talking about the playoffs.

Dame was certainly responsible for winning those series vs Houston and OKC.

I feel like we won despite Stotts coaching. Y'all overrate him like a MF.
 
That whole win as a team thing is a cliché.
No it's not...in any aspect of life it's a universal truth...only as strong as the weakest link...it's one of the good things sports does for young people..gives them that experience of group success and understanding.
 
Arent there some crazy stats that could confirm this?

How many passes between defenders that are made? Between the legs? Behind the back? No look passes? Hot a slasher on the move? On the move in between defenders? Half court accuracies?


Surely their must be some statistician who has developed a passer rating system no?
 
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Arent there some crazy stats that could confirm thos?

bow many passes between defenders that are made? Between the legs? Behind the back? No look passes? Hot a slasher on the move? On the move in between defenders? Half court accuracies?


Surely their must be some statistician who has developed a passer rating system no?

The thing about the greatest passers in the game over the decades is that they usually led their teams in turnovers as well...Chris Paul was an exception I believe but Nash turned the ball over at a pretty good clip
 
But his coaching failures had us losing double digit leads in winnable games vs GSW because Lillard was being trapped all 2nd half.

His coaching failures did not allow him to use Nurkic effectively at all.

His coaching failures had CJ saying:

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So who gets props for this years win total? Billups or Dame?
Depends if I’m ramming my head into the wall screaming, “what the fuck is our coach(ing staff) doing” or not.

Or..
“Here we go again, can’t make adjustments…”
“Got outcoached again…”
“What are you doing with this trash ass line up again”
“Another blown lead”
“Can we ever get an easy bucket?”

OR

“Just got outplayed”
“Just didn’t make shots, but they were good looks”
(Something Chauncey specifically mentioned, which was refreshing. A lot of our shots were terrible but went in because Dame and CJ to a lesser extent are nutty good shot makers).

Pretty easy to tell who to blame once the season rolls around.

you act like Billups is going to be immune to criticism when he isn’t.

just because I’m not sucking on Stotts huevos (not saying you are, just a figure of speech) and think a literal frog could coach better than him doesn’t mean Billups is spared from *just* criticism. I can’t speak for everyone but I’m not lowering my standards for billups just because I’m thankful Stotts is gone.

my standards for Billups are probably higher because I’ll be paying even more attention to what he does to the team.

therefore, if we win, billups gets credit but so do Dame and the players.

If we lose, and I believe the team is well coached, that’s a player issue.

if we lose and I believe the coach sucks, it’s a coaching issue.

of course the truth is probably in middle
 
How do you ask this now? There's no way to determine this without seeing games.

That whole win as a team thing is a cliché. Certain folks are responsible for wins and for losses.

I'm specifically talking about the playoffs.

Dame was certainly responsible for winning those series vs Houston and OKC.

I feel like we won despite Stotts coaching. Y'all overrate him like a MF.

Just coming in with straight facts. 100% truth.
 
If Kanter is soooo valuable, why cant he stick with a team?

I love Kanter. Is there an NBA player who demands more respect on and off the court? With that said, most teams know of his difficiencies and see it as a great flaw than the sum of his efficiencies, thus letting him go.

If Kanter made the difference in a roster taking a step, teams would not let him go.
I’ve said it over and over but will again. Kanter is bad defensively no doubt. But some of the blame HAS to be on CJ and Dame who don’t defend. Period. It puts way too much pressure on the interior. It’s like blaming a QB for getting sacked when his O line doesn’t block. Again- Enes is not good defensively but we made him look like a can of paint because our ball pressure sucks.
 
I’ve said it over and over but will again. Kanter is bad defensively no doubt. But some of the blame HAS to be on CJ and Dame who don’t defend. Period. It puts way too much pressure on the interior. It’s like blaming a QB for getting sacked when his O line doesn’t block. Again- Enes is not good defensively but we made him look like a can of paint because our ball pressure sucks.

okay then What about okc? What about Boston and the other teams he's been on.
Id buy that if he was only a Blazer the last 7 years.
 
I’ve said it over and over but will again. Kanter is bad defensively no doubt. But some of the blame HAS to be on CJ and Dame who don’t defend. Period. It puts way too much pressure on the interior. It’s like blaming a QB for getting sacked when his O line doesn’t block. Again- Enes is not good defensively but we made him look like a can of paint because our ball pressure sucks.
Him getting absolutely trashed by Millsap/Jokic was the issue though; one on one. CJ getting smacked by Austin is a different issue, and not why Kanter got benched imo. It was because Jokic was giving him ALL THE BUSINESS.

So much so that they started using MELO to guard Jokic in the post.

You can’t tell me that’s about ball pressure.

The guards definitely have issues but Kanter is an absolute zero on defense.

Using another football reference, it would be like Kanter is a cornerback defending a WR and he gets smoked all the time. Then comes to the huddle and says “where the fuck is the pass rush?”

even with an otherworldly pass rush, you still would’ve given up a touchdown cuz ur a bum bro, that’s Kanter
 
Him getting absolutely trashed by Millsap/Jokic was the issue though; one on one. CJ getting smacked by Austin is a different issue, and not why Kanter got benched imo. It was because Jokic was giving him ALL THE BUSINESS.

So much so that they started using MELO to guard Jokic in the post.

You can’t tell me that’s about ball pressure.

The guards definitely have issues but Kanter is an absolute zero on defense.

Using another football reference, it would be like Kanter is a cornerback defending a WR and he gets smoked all the time. Then comes to the huddle and says “where the fuck is the pass rush?”

even with an otherworldly pass rush, you still would’ve given up a touchdown cuz ur a bum bro, that’s Kanter
Like i said he’s a bad defender. We compounded the situation by having more bad defense in front of him.
 
Like i said he’s a bad defender. We compounded the situation by having more bad defense in front of him.

I'm curious, so I'm going to check how Portland's defense performed in 2018-19 after Nurkic went down and Kanter took over the starting role

first, defensive ratings in the regular season games:

108.8
97.2
99.4
122.1 (game Portland won by 10)
92.3
128.7 (Denver at Denver)
109.0 (Denver at Portland)
103.3
134.5 (that was the Kings game when the starters didn't play)

keeping in mind the Blazers had a 116.0 defensive rating last season, those individual game ratings look pretty good.

so, how about defensive ratings that year in the playoffs?

against OKC 105.6
against Denver 115.1
against Warriors 116.1

all that with Kanter starting

and this season, with Kanter averaging 11 points including a DNP-CD, Portland's rating against Denver was 123.4. In other words, Portland absolutely sucked at defense and it wasn't Kanter's fault
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so yeah, I'd agree with Calvin Natt that people are exaggerating how bad Kanter is on defense. Portland performed a hell of a lot better on defense according to those numbers with Kanter as the starting C and a roster that was much better at defense. The reason Kanter may have been "unplayable" against the Nuggets this season is that Portland had defensive sieves all over the floor in Dame, CJ, Powell (yes, him too), Melo, and Simons
 
I'm curious, so I'm going to check how Portland's defense performed in 2018-19 after Nurkic went down and Kanter took over the starting role

first, defensive ratings in the regular season games:

108.8
97.2
99.4
122.1 (game Portland won by 10)
92.3
128.7 (Denver at Denver)
109.0 (Denver at Portland)
103.3
134.5 (that was the Kings game when the starters didn't play)

keeping in mind the Blazers had a 116.0 defensive rating last season, those individual game ratings look pretty good.

so, how about defensive ratings that year in the playoffs?

against OKC 105.6
against Denver 115.1
against Warriors 116.1

all that with Kanter starting

and this season, with Kanter averaging 11 points including a DNP-CD, Portland's rating against Denver was 123.4. In other words, Portland absolutely sucked at defense and it wasn't Kanter's fault
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so yeah, I'd agree with Calvin Natt that people are exaggerating how bad Kanter is on defense. Portland performed a hell of a lot better on defense according to those numbers with Kanter as the starting C and a roster that was much better at defense. The reason Kanter may have been "unplayable" against the Nuggets this season is that Portland had defensive sieves all over the floor in Dame, CJ, Powell (yes, him too), Melo, and Simons
Might say something about the Harkless/Aminu duo?
 
Might say something about the Harkless/Aminu duo?

and Zach Collins which is something the team did not have since until (hopefully) Nance arrived, pretty much. Zach Collins defense won the Blazers that Denver series to make the WCF.
 
and Zach Collins which is something the team did not have since until (hopefully) Nance arrived, pretty much. Zach Collins defense won the Blazers that Denver series to make the WCF.
Ah Yes!
Zach "Give em the Boot" Collins.
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I can have an opinion on Stotts and my opinion is that he should've been fired after the NOP series.

In the GSW series and in the NOP series Dame was being trapped as soon as he crossed half court. This was without a pick and roll.

Stotts did not adjust. This is why we lost BOTH of those series. It was also Stotts who lost us the series vs DEN when he had Melo and Kanter in simultaneously. He didn't learn during that series as he continued to put both of them in together.

Any coach that would've put a leash on Dame would be a bad coach IMO. Chauncey included.
100% agree, you nailed it.
 
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