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Crimson the Cat said:
Now, more than ever, I hope Portland can pull off a deal for a major talent at PG.

Artest, Bryant, and Odom can really clamp down on an offense. Roy and Turk would have a difficult time I predict.
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You forgot Aldridge. I think they can hold their own if Artest acts like Artest. (Shooting randomly)
 
Rastapopoulos said:
He only started to look good on the Rockets after they lost McGrady. That's when they HAD to give him shots. LA doesn't have to do that. The shots for the SF in the triangle seem to be mainly threes. Not a strength for Artest, although that might be news for him.
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artest actually is a pretty good spot up 3 point shooter, he just doesn't seem to like taking spot up 3s. he likes to put the ball on the floor, let the defender rotate to him, and then fade away or something crazy instead of just taking the open shot.

artest definitely played his best after tmac went down, but he would have been even better(and the rockets would probably be trying to keep him) had he not tried to force so much.
 
rocketeer said:
the worst thing portland could do is feel they have to do something huge to counter the moves other teams are making. that's how kidd got to dallas and shaq got to phoenix.

if the blazers sign hedo or whoever, it needs to be because it's the right move for then, not because other teams are making moves.
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Yup, exactly. You build the best team you can, you don't make a move simply because other teams are.

If Turkoglu is the player that Pritchard feels is the best choice for the cap money, then LA getting Artest or whatever shouldn't change his mind.
 
Holy shit some of you are overreacting. Ariza is at least the defender Artest is, and probably a better complement to Kobe on offense. Artest is a headcase. This is a decent replacement for Ariza, but by no means is this an improvement over the two-headed Ariza/Odom monster.
 
SodaPopinski said:
Holy shit some of you are overreacting. Ariza is at least the defender Artest is, and probably a better complement to Kobe on offense. Artest is a headcase. This is a decent replacement for Ariza, but by no means is this an improvement over the two-headed Ariza/Odom monster.
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In general I think Ariza is a better defensive player then Artest. But I am thinking specifically about how the Lakers will play B-Roy. Ariza was better at covering him, but Artest beats the literal shit out of Roy every time they play. I don't want the Lakers to get a guy that physical.

That is also one reason why I wanted Portland to grab Artest. So he wouldn't play opposite Roy for the next few years.
 
LittleAlex said:
In general I think Ariza is a better defensive player then Artest. But I am thinking specifically about how the Lakers will play B-Roy. Ariza was better at covering him, but Artest beats the literal shit out of Roy every time they play. I don't want the Lakers to get a guy that physical.

That is also one reason why I wanted Portland to grab Artest. So he wouldn't play opposite Roy for the next few years.
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roy didn't exactly struggle against artest in the playoffs.
 
rocketeer said:
roy didn't exactly struggle against artest in the playoffs.
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I didn't say struggle, but as the series went on you could see Roy getting more and more beat down.

That was from both having to carry the team offensively and Artest beating on him all game long.

Anything that prevents Roy from breaking down in the playoffs is a bonus from my standpoint.
 
LittleAlex said:
I didn't say struggle, but as the series went on you could see Roy getting more and more beat down.

That was from both having to carry the team offensively and Artest beating on him all game long.

Anything that prevents Roy from breaking down in the playoffs is a bonus from my standpoint.
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Roy was getting beat down because he was doing absolutely everything on the offensive end. I don't care if he was being guarded by J.J. Reddick, that will wear you down quick.
 
Artest is a much better defender than Ariza.

Ariza is good off the ball, but his on the ball defense is still a bit suspect and still maturing.

I love this signing. Have fun with Hedo :]

Or Ariza :]

I'll miss Trevor, though :[
 
Everybody talks about how Artest guarded Roy - he didn't. Battier guarded Roy. Battier also guarded Kobe. That's because Battier is a better defender. Artest's reputation as a lockdown defender is out of date.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
You love it now. Rockets fans were over the MOON when they got Artest. Funny they didn't make a huge effort to keep him, isn't it?



Yes. Yes you will. And probably while watching Artest play.
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Rockets are rebuilding somewhat, they're in a different position. I love him too. :]

Peace Trevor.
 
You don't think Artest is going to stay in line with Jackson and Kobe watching his every move?

I think its obvious he wants to win a ring. He could have signed somewhere for more money. Taking the MLE to win a ring, or at least a shot at it.
 
I've heard conflicting stories about whether or not Artest has even been offered anything by the Lakers.

He's overrated. Better offensive player than Ariza, sure, but not as good on the defensive end anymore. And there's going to be a lot of jump shots taken between him and Kobe...

I think Odom is better, so it'll be interesting to see if they resign him.
 
Do you think Artest is a rookie fresh out of college, ready to follow his seniors / betters?

Artest has a history of exploding. Who knows, maybe he'll keep it together in LA, but that was a fairly baseless presumption to make, IMO (no offense).

I think Artest will do well on D, I am still suspect as to his abilities on O.

But what does it matter? According to some Blazer fans I might as well sell all my stock and prepare for armageddon now as the Lakers have signed Artest. Woe is us!


Black Mamba said:
You don't think Artest is going to stay in line with Jackson and Kobe watching his every move?
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Black Mamba said:
I think its obvious he wants to win a ring. He could have signed somewhere for more money. Taking the MLE to win a ring, or at least a shot at it.
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no he couldn't have. all the teams talking to artest only had the mle to offer.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
You love it now. Rockets fans were over the MOON when they got Artest. Funny they didn't make a huge effort to keep him, isn't it?
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the thing is when the rockets got artest, there was very little risk involved as he only had one year left on his deal and they needed him because yao/tmac couldn't stay healthy and they were trying to contend. by getting artest, the rockets only needed 2 of the 3 to stay healthy to make noise in the playoffs.

yes, the rockets lost two late first round picks but that wasn't really a huge thing.

the rockets did the right thing only offering artest a one year deal. people remember his good games in the playoffs and that the rockets got out of the first round, but he had even more terrible games.

if the lakers are really signing artest to a 3 year deal, i think that's something they'll regret. phil should be one of the better coaches possible for artest, but i still don't see anyone changing the way he plays at this point.
 
The Lakers are the NBA Champs. This could back fire just as easy. They are not getting him to put them over the top. They are already there. This could back fire.
 
If this is true it's a great move for LA. Best part? 3 year/18 Mil. (what's being reported) That's the kind of money Ariza was going to cost them. Artest is leaps and bounds better than Ariza. Sure Artest is older, but the Lakers championship window is now. Kobe probably has 3-5 more dominant years and that's what they're looking at.

As far as Ron Ron being a malcontent . . . yes, and no. He's imploded at times, but not for the usual reasons (playing time, amount of shots he's getting, etc) The guy just hates to lose. I don't think he cares if he scores 9 points/game if the Lakers win a title. I honestly think this makes sense for both parties. Just sucks for everybody else who HATES the Lakers.
 
BTOWN_HUSTLA said:
It makes them almost god-damn unstoppable IMO.
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Do we need Oden to step it up, or what?? Oden is still the X-factor, no matter who we bring in. If he has a coming-out party this season, we will be in terrific shape. If he continues to struggle, it's going to be another season of playoff failure, I'm afraid.
 
Shooter said:
Do we need Oden to step it up, or what?? Oden is still the X-factor, no matter who we bring in. If he has a coming-out party this season, we will be in terrific shape. If he continues to struggle, it's going to be another season of playoff failure, I'm afraid.
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Yeah, Oden is the X-factor whether or not we compete with the big boys. We still need to be agressive in pursuing talent. "Letting it Bake". Fuck that, get some real talent....what was once a shoo-in "dynasty" on the thoughts of the blazers is now "wait until the awesome mega-teams fuck up or get old".
 
Pinwheel1 said:
He might know what a triangle is, but I doubt he can stay with in it's borders
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All they're missing from what they have now is Trevor Ariza who was inconsistent throughout the year but had a great playoffs. You add a PREMIER DEFENDER in the league and ANOTHER guy who can get points with no worries on that team....scary good. Even if he's in a second unit....it gives them a legit scorer on the second unit (versus what they usually had when Kobe and Gasol sits out).
 
BTOWN_HUSTLA said:
"Letting it Bake". Fuck that, get some real talent....what was once a shoo-in "dynasty" on the thoughts of the blazers is now "wait until the awesome mega-teams fuck up or get old".
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Excellent point. I'm definitely starting to see the need for a serious upgrade. If the Lakers get Artest, we're even further behind them than we were last year. That said, Oden MUST improve. I just don't see us going anywhere without a healthy and productive Greg Oden.
 
BTOWN_HUSTLA said:
All they're missing from what they have now is Trevor Ariza who was inconsistent throughout the year but had a great playoffs. You add a PREMIER DEFENDER in the league and ANOTHER guy who can get points with no worries on that team....scary good. Even if he's in a second unit....it gives them a legit scorer on the second unit (versus what they usually had when Kobe and Gasol sits out).
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You may be right, but he also may screw up their chemistry. If Artest does not conform to their offense he will be a negative distraction. He does like to free lance.
 
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