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Keep him.

If your team would be 1/10th as good without him, you don't want to win just 3 games next season.
 
Well, I apologize for responding to trade suggestions with the Bulls. My intent wasn't to take this thread off topic.
 
But what is the point of acquiring Noah if we're trading Aldridge? The one seems pointless without the other?

Replace the word "Noah" with "Asik" and I agree with you. But Noah is a good all-round player. His offense is not his strongest suit, but he's not offensively inept like Asik. It's true we don't get younger, and it would be a little odd, but we only get older by a few months, and Noah is a "culture changer" and a leader, which we kind of lack (Lillard leads by example but he's not a vocal leader). Plus I'm thinking we also end up with Mirotic, who is our eventual PF replacement.
 
Replace the word "Noah" with "Asik" and I agree with you. But Noah is a good all-round player. His offense is not his strongest suit, but he's not offensively inept like Asik. It's true we don't get younger, and it would be a little odd, but we only get older by a few months, and Noah is a "culture changer" and a leader, which we kind of lack (Lillard leads by example but he's not a vocal leader). Plus I'm thinking we also end up with Mirotic, who is our eventual PF replacement.

Like I said; the deal would be best for both sides if Chicago gave us charlottes pick. If that means mirotic instead; it's at the same value.
 
Hmm. I might actually be tempted by that. But who's the new center for the Bulls? If you're thinking Meyers Leonard then... well, let's just say I really wish Gar Forman believed that.

My thinking is LMA would agree to play C for 24 minutes a game. Leonard would play 24. LMA would rest Boozer for 12 at PF.

Wes unblocks your SG spot so your ROY candidate (CJ) can get all the burn he can handle. And I like Crabbe, too, so he gets some backup PT. For us, he'd likely fight for the SG spot after this season, and only if Deng leaves via FA.

So you guys get 2x starters and $4M cap space (Hinrich expiring). We get a starting C (LMA), your 3rd string C, and a backup (for us) SG.

Another way to see it is an all-star for an all-star plus a ~14.5 PER guy who helps you a lot for a ~14.5 PER guy who is one of several SGs you have. We need a guy to take some C minutes, or else we're stuck playing Nazr Mohammed, and your guy will have trouble finding time behind Noah and Lopez.
 
Thats a shit deal.

LMA > Noah
Wes = Gibson
Meyers > Hinrich (young, somewhat promising C prospect for an expiring contract, essentially)

Throw in Mirotic or no deal.

Honestly, I'd just rather not deal with the Bulls at this stage.
 
I get it. LeBron is the only player better than LMA.
 
This seems the appropriate place for this:


Sean Deveney @SeanDeveney about 10 minutes ago
Scout raved abt future @chicagobulls Nikola Mirotic: "He has come along really nicely ... made big leaps in the post" sportingnews.com/nba/story/2013…

Bulls' plans for Mirotic on hold

Having mentioned Nikola Mirotic, it is worth noting that he would be a very difficult guy to pry from the Bulls, who have big plans for him. Mirotic is just 22 and was the Spanish League MVP, which basically means he was the best player in the best league outside the NBA. He averaged 12.2 points and 5.4 rebounds in 23.9 minutes for Real Madrid.
Mirotic is a big part of the reason why the Bulls would be unlikely to consider a trade of Joakim Noah for LaMarcus Aldirdge, as has been rumored. Ultimately, the Bulls want Mirotic to replace Carlos Boozer, hopefully starting in 2014-’15—a prospect made difficult by his contract in Spain, which has a large buyout through ’16.
But if the Bulls can pay Mirotic enough to have him pay the buyout himself (because it will be three years since he had been drafted, Mirotic won’t be tied to the NBA’s rookie salary scale), they will get a versatile big man who shot 41.7 percent from the 3-point line in Spain last year, and his perimeter shooting would pair nicely with Noah’s frenetic interior play.
“He has a big-time skill set,” one scout said. “When they drafted him (in 2011), it was hard to tell how he would develop, if he would bulk up and become a useful big man or if he was going to stay on the perimeter and be a Bargnani-type. But he has come along really nicely, he is an effort guy and he has made big leaps in terms of what he can do in the post.”

Fuck. The Nolan Smith pick just gets worse and worse.
 
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Where would he have gone in this past draft? Next year's?
 
Where would he have gone in this past draft? Next year's?

Fuck knows, with the screwy way this draft went. And remember, Cleveland didn't take Valanciunas because they couldn't have him IMMEDIATELY and he's already better in the NBA than Tristan Thompson.
 
Cause Denny is a bulls fan?

Seriously, I would rather have the Houston deal than what's been offered for the Chicago deal. Lin is tradable, but can still be an important back up to Lillard. Asik and Lopez is a perfect anchor at center; which would give us another tradable asset with Leonard.

We could use Leonard + batum for a serious player. We might have to toss in another player. Regardless, it's pretty evident this is Lillards team, so if we are going to rebuild, we need to follow the Chicago mold and how they built around their star "rose"

I don't think we should build around Lillard like the Bulls did with Rose, but, if the team were to, I think we need a pick and roll big who is also the defensive anchor.

Drummond fits that mold in a young player. He would be hard to pry from Detroit, but they do have 3 bigs now that they signed Josh Smith, and they have to get rid of one eventually.

Noah fits that as well, is more proven, but older and can't seem to play a full season, which is a concern if he is to be a cornerstone player.
 
I don't think we should build around Lillard like the Bulls did with Rose, but, if the team were to, I think we need a pick and roll big who is also the defensive anchor.

Drummond fits that mold in a young player. He would be hard to pry from Detroit, but they do have 3 bigs now that they signed Josh Smith, and they have to get rid of one eventually.

Noah fits that as well, is more proven, but older and can't seem to play a full season, which is a concern if he is to be a cornerstone player.

If we could pull Drummond away from Detroit for Aldridge; is be ecstatic.
 
I would HATE trading Aldridge, with that said, Horford would be the best guy to get, mainly b/c he's locked up 4 years, plays both sides of the floor, and is a great character guy.

However, Aldridge would ditch Atlanta right away because they are worse than us, so it makes no sense for them.

But a package built around Asik might make some sense for Atlanta, and Aldridge would probably re-up with Houston stat.

I would think that something like this might be appealing:

Horford to Portland (him, Lopez, and Robinson can be our 4/5 rotation). Horford has always wanted to play 4 more, but in todays league he might have a hard time getting out to cover most 4's. This way he can split time.

Aldridge to Houston, they pretty much have the perfect lineup at that point. Tons of floor spacing, tons of defense (Aldridge is great at defending pick n roll, we didn't get to see it last year b/c he had to take posts), tons of inside scoring, give them the championship already.

Atlanta gets Asik and Thomas Jones. Lots of young pieces and a very versatile 4/5 rotation w/Millsap.
 
Is anyone honestly arguing otherwise? LMA is clearly better than Noah. Noah has the fortune of playing at the position with the least depth in the league, which makes him seem better than he is.

Its been interesting reading other teams' fans' opinions of Aldridge relative to Noah, David Lee, Asik, etc. the last few weeks. Seems like most Warriors fans opinions are that Noah > Aldridge and that Aldridge is only better than Lee by a small margin, too small to warrant giving up one of Klay or Barnes in addition to Lee for.

I was kind of surprised to see Aldridge viewed as a hollow stats guy who really only excels at scoring. Compared with Love, Z-Bo, Lee, and Blake Griffin he is obviously the most inferior rebounder and even his advanced stats on defense are pretty bad compared to those guys (who are all pretty crappy defenders).

I'd still give Lee and either Barnes or Klay for LMA, seems like most W's fans are torn on it though. And more and more I'm seeing Noah viewed as better than LMA, and whether that is true or not I don't see Thibs dumping the most important player to his defense for a scoring oriented, soft PF.
 
I'd still give Lee and either Barnes or Klay for LMA, seems like most W's fans are torn on it though.

Lee is shit. Laughably bad on D. He is probably untradeable.
Barnes had a PER of 11. He better be the world's best fucking defender to make up for that. Newsflash: he isn't. He's a slightly below-average NBA player.
Klay Thompson is very interesting. He also has a pretty low PER, but he compensates by being a very good shooter from all over the floor and having very good handles and solid D. However, we're overstocked with scoring guards. So the only player you have of interest is of no use to us.

And more and more I'm seeing Noah viewed as better than LMA, and whether that is true or not I don't see Thibs dumping the most important player to his defense for a scoring oriented, soft PF.

I agree that Noah is more valuable to the Bulls (as currently constructed) than Aldridge would be. But Aldridge is not soft, has had an elite "adjusted plus/minus" and Thibs is not in charge (as he found out when his buddy was unceremoniously let go this summer).
 
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Look: the trade has to be for future prospects, because we need bigs, and people only want to trade for Aldridge if they need bigs. (The lone exception might be if OKC offered Ibaka, but I'd want more, because I think Ibaka's defense is overrated.) That makes Chicago still the most attractive option because they have the rights to Mirotic but (I presume) want to win now.

Please: forget about Drummond. Joe hasn't been the best GM but he knows what he has in Drummond. He's being presented as the face of the franchise.
 
I would HATE trading Aldridge, with that said, Horford would be the best guy to get, mainly b/c he's locked up 4 years, plays both sides of the floor, and is a great character guy.

So why do Atlanta trade him again?

But a package built around Asik might make some sense for Atlanta, and Aldridge would probably re-up with Houston stat.

For Asik? Seriously?

Atlanta gets Asik and Thomas Jones. Lots of young pieces and a very versatile 4/5 rotation w/Millsap.

I'm guessing you mean Terrence Jones. Remember they just drafted Bebe, so they have a better young big already.
 
Lee is shit. Laughably bad on D. He is probably untradeable.

Yet the advance stats suggest Lee was better than Aldridge on defense last season, and historically Aldridge is barely better. Aldridge is the better player of the two, and more valuable, but the difference between the two isn't that much. It seems like around the league Aldridge is viewed in a similar light to Lee/Kevin Love in that they put up good scoring numbers but also get reamed on defense which cancels itself out. Though those guys are very good rebounders, whereas LMA is below average.

Barnes had a PER of 11. He better be the world's best fucking defender to make up for that. Newsflash: he isn't. He's a slightly below-average NBA player.
Klay Thompson is very interesting. He also has a pretty low PER, but he compensates by being a very good shooter from all over the floor and having very good handles and solid D. However, we're overstocked with scoring guards. So the only player you have of interest is of no use to us.

Barnes at 20 had a comparable year to Paul George, Rudy Gay, and Batum at the same age. Hes a slightly below average NBA player, but I think its safe to assume he hasn't leveled off. FWIW George and Batum also made the playoffs as 20 year olds and Barnes played a much more critical role on his team and performed well in that role while the others did poorly despite also being rotation players. Point being by the end of his 20 year old season he was presented an opportunity to be a bigger part of the offense and he was successful with it. Should be interesting to see him with a green light as a 6th man next year.

Anyway, the Lee + Klay/Barnes idea is all speculation. Some reports indicate the Warriors didn't offer either for Dwight, so I doubt they would for LMA. Neither was mentioned by Woj a few weeks ago with regards to the W's/Adridge rumblings.
 
Odd that LMA's advanced status (defensive win shares, opponent PER, etc.) are worse than Boozer's.

I agree LMA has had the reputation of being a weak rebounder, but his reputation is as a two-way player. Supposedly good on defense.
 
Odd that LMA's advanced status (defensive win shares, opponent PER, etc.) are worse than Boozer's.

I agree LMA has had the reputation of being a weak rebounder, but his reputation is as a two-way player. Supposedly good on defense.

The stats guys would like to believe that everything is quantifiable. But it just isn't. And defense is one of those things, because it's so dependent on the team and the scheme. You're welcome to believe that Boozer (and/or Lee) is as good as Aldridge at defense if you want, but I snort in the general direction of the idea.
 
The stats guys would like to believe that everything is quantifiable. But it just isn't. And defense is one of those things, because it's so dependent on the team and the scheme. You're welcome to believe that Boozer (and/or Lee) is as good as Aldridge at defense if you want, but I snort in the general direction of the idea.

I think Aldridge is better than Lee, but hes still not good on defense. Perhaps even more disappointing is that he has the tools to be quite good on that end, but hes ok with being barely passable.
 
The stats guys would like to believe that everything is quantifiable. But it just isn't. And defense is one of those things, because it's so dependent on the team and the scheme. You're welcome to believe that Boozer (and/or Lee) is as good as Aldridge at defense if you want, but I snort in the general direction of the idea.

I don't necessarily believe it.

On the other hand, the Bulls started Boozer and played him a lot of minutes and somehow managed to have an elite defense.

Call it the scheme, if you like, but he didn't kill the scheme.

As for LMA? I think the only thing that goes against him is "big stats on a 33 win team."
 
Someone really ought to snag that Aaron Gray guy. He's among the best defenders, according to your document.

Don't forget Andrea Bargnani.

Talking about Bargnani, he's more evidence that no player is untradeable. I think the following players should all be traded for each other on a regular basis:

Bargnani
David Lee
Carlos Boozer
Amare Stoudemire
 
I've been pondering about trading destinations for Aldridge. One place that has a solid PF but who might want to upgrade is OKC. I wonder if they think now that they overpaid Ibaka, particularly after it pretty much forced them to trade Harden. Anyone interested in an Aldridge for Ibaka trade? I wasn't at first, but they have a lot of nice, cheap players that they could sweeten the deal with:

Thabo Sefolosha
Reggie Jackson
Steven Adams
Jeremy Lamb
Andre Roberson

I would be very happy with Jackson and Adams: Jackson played like a taller, faster CJ McCollum in Orlando. Much less interested in Jeremy Lamb. Would you like it? Would they do it?
 
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