Ass clown thinking of starting Matthews over Batum permanently

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MIXUM said:
this team needs a spark off the bench badly scoring wise.

to make the playoffs 5 things will need to happen....

1. beat 90% of lesser teams

2. roy play 80% of season effectively

3. stay healthy

4. trade for a scorer off the bench AND maybe a pf

5. batum career year and stays in starting lineup
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If we all of this do this we get HCA. If two of those things happen then we make the playoffs.

Ed O.
 
ed... do you see any of those taking place? percent chances?
 
Ed O said:
It's this sort of move that makes me think the season is going to go down in flames. It's on its way there already, but making lineup changes only encourages it.

Ed O.
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Choo-Choo? (with defference to mm, LOL)
 
MIXUM said:
ed... do you see any of those taking place? percent chances?
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Each of them are too complicated for me to be able to assign odds to them... taken as a group it's far too beyond my simple monkey brain. :)

We'll just have to wait and see...

Ed O.
 
RoyToy said:
He takes himself out of the game and just floats around out there.
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He's been the starting SF for 2+ seasons now and that's been his tole on offense from day 1. Hard to be aggressive on offense when you coach NEVER calls a play for you. Nic's job is to stand in teh corner, watch Roy drive and get ready for the kick out when the defense collapses on Roy. The problem now is ROY, not Batum is less aggressive. He drives les, and when he does, he no longer commands the same defensive attention he used to. So, fewer kick outs to Noic for open 3s means even fewer shots and less scoring.

Perhaps, since Roy's game has changed it's time to abandon the Roy ISO as the basis for the offense and come up with some plays involving more ball and player movement in the hope of getting other players, like Batum, more involved in the offense.

Don't blame the player. His role hasn't changed. Blame the coach for failing to adjust to the circumstances.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
He's been the starting SF for 2+ seasons now and that's been his tole on offense from day 1. Hard to be aggressive on offense when you coach NEVER calls a play for you. Nic's job is to stand in teh corner, watch Roy drive and get ready for the kick out when the defense collapses on Roy. The problem now is ROY, not Batum is less aggressive. He drives les, and when he does, he no longer commands the same defensive attention he used to. So, fewer kick outs to Noic for open 3s means even fewer shots and less scoring.

Perhaps, since Roy's game has changed it's time to abandon the Roy ISO as the basis for the offense and come up with some plays involving more ball and player movement in the hope of getting other players, like Batum, more involved in the offense.

Don't blame the player. His role hasn't changed. Blame the coach for failing to adjust to the circumstances.

BNM
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Bingo. This kinda reminds me when Oden was healthy for that good stretch of games and Nate said, "don't worry about offense, whatever comes to you comes". Really Nate? You want one of the most talented Centers in a longtime to be a lunchpale type?

If its not Roy and an ISO, where or where do we go?
 
Boob-No-More said:
He's been the starting SF for 2+ seasons now and that's been his tole on offense from day 1. Hard to be aggressive on offense when you coach NEVER calls a play for you. Nic's job is to stand in teh corner, watch Roy drive and get ready for the kick out when the defense collapses on Roy. The problem now is ROY, not Batum is less aggressive. He drives les, and when he does, he no longer commands the same defensive attention he used to. So, fewer kick outs to Noic for open 3s means even fewer shots and less scoring.

Perhaps, since Roy's game has changed it's time to abandon the Roy ISO as the basis for the offense and come up with some plays involving more ball and player movement in the hope of getting other players, like Batum, more involved in the offense.

Don't blame the player. His role hasn't changed. Blame the coach for failing to adjust to the circumstances.

BNM
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:clap: Call it desperation, but I still want to believe in Batum. He is not, however, a guy who creates his own offense....to be effective, he needs to be part of an effective system.

Frankly, I am really missing Outlaw and Bayless. For all their flaws, they could sometimes get things going when the offense broke down.
 
Boob-No-More said:
He's been the starting SF for 2+ seasons now and that's been his tole on offense from day 1. Hard to be aggressive on offense when you coach NEVER calls a play for you. Nic's job is to stand in teh corner, watch Roy drive and get ready for the kick out when the defense collapses on Roy. The problem now is ROY, not Batum is less aggressive. He drives les, and when he does, he no longer commands the same defensive attention he used to. So, fewer kick outs to Noic for open 3s means even fewer shots and less scoring.

Perhaps, since Roy's game has changed it's time to abandon the Roy ISO as the basis for the offense and come up with some plays involving more ball and player movement in the hope of getting other players, like Batum, more involved in the offense.

Don't blame the player. His role hasn't changed. Blame the coach for failing to adjust to the circumstances.

BNM
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Don't blame the player? Seriously? Don't blame the player for playing with little effort, missing wide open shots and not rebounding and not playing good defense? Hmmm, K.

The problem with Nic right now is Nic, not McMillan. Batum was playing just fine this season before the last 4 games(2 w/o Roy/2 with). His level of play is noticeably down and it has nothing to do with McMillan unless you think going 2-8 with 5pts and 0 rebounds in 38min is on Nate. If you do then this discussion is over.

edit - Read over the bolded part.

Sorry, the facts don't support your claim here. Before Batum was benched last night he was averaging the 3rd most shots on the team per game. He's taking more shots than ever right now, not getting "fewer shots". I don't understand how you came to the conclusion that Nic is getting "fewer shots".
 
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oldmangrouch said:
:clap: Call it desperation, but I still want to believe in Batum. He is not, however, a guy who creates his own offense....to be effective, he needs to be part of an effective system.

Frankly, I am really missing Outlaw and Bayless. For all their flaws, they could sometimes get things going when the offense broke down.
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Put Batum in an offense like Utah or SA's and he would flourish. Some semblance of motion offense would be awesome.
 
MickZagger said:
Put Batum in an offense like Utah or SA's and he would flourish. Some semblance of motion offense would be awesome.
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Honestly I think a motion offense would even help Roy. It takes some time to get use to it but in the end it would keep defenses from keying on him. Nic, LMA and Mathews would all flourish under that system. Unfortunately it will take firing Nate to get this accomplished.
 
Just throwing it out there if you want a motion offense then Eddie Jordan is your guy. He runs the Princeton offense.
 
RoyToy said:
Just throwing it out there if you want a motion offense then Eddie Jordan is your guy. He runs the Princeton offense.
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He runs an offense similar to the Princeton offense. The thing about that is its nice to have good passing big men, its predicated on high post passing. Camby would be good for that system, but Aldridge would be awful. Roy Hibbert and Greg Monroe would thrive as they have been successful in college running that offense. I think only Monroe would be available though.
 
Yeah, it's pretty similar.

Here's Eddie Jordan breaking it down to the basics

[video=youtube;X9WZoTYdsQE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9WZoTYdsQE[/video]
 
RoyToy said:
Don't blame the player? Seriously? Don't blame the player for playing with little effort, missing wide open shots and not rebounding and not playing good defense? Hmmm, K.

The problem with Nic right now is Nic, not McMillan. Batum was playing just fine this season before the last 4 games(2 w/o Roy/2 with). His level of play is noticeably down and it has nothing to do with McMillan unless you think going 2-8 with 5pts and 0 rebounds in 38min is on Nate. If you do then this discussion is over.

edit - Read over the bolded part.

Sorry, the facts don't support your claim here. Before Batum was benched last night he was averaging the 3rd most shots on the team per game. He's taking more shots than ever right now, not getting "fewer shots". I don't understand how you came to the conclusion that Nic is getting "fewer shots".
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Batum got off to a great start this year. He was knocking down open 3s and I believe his PER was hovering around 19 (now it's down to 15.8). Why? Teams were still focused on stopping the Roy ISO, same as last year. More defensive attention on Roy meant less on Batum.

This was before our opponents knew that the new Roy is not the same as the old Roy. When Roy missed those games and word got out that he had lost his quickness and explosiveness, defenses adjusted, but here's a surprise, our offense hasn't. Batum's role hasn't changed, but he's getting fewer wide open shots now that Roy has become more of a jump shooter than someone that drives hard to the basket and commands more defensive attention and kicks out to the open 3-point shooters.

Seriously, in Nate's offense, what IS Batum's role. Does he have one? If so, what is it? Do they EVER run any plays for him? They did on opening night when he posted up Nash (I guess Nate finally figured that one out - too bad it was six months too late), but I haven't seen them run any designed plays for Nic since.

BNM
 
RoyToy said:
Just throwing it out there if you want a motion offense then Eddie Jordan is your guy. He runs the Princeton offense.
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Um, Princeton's offense under Pete Carrill had a glacial pace. I'd pay to see this board after 30 games of Eddie Jordan's offense. The Princeton offense also requires good shooters, which the Blazers don't have at this point.
 
BGrantFan said:
Um, Princeton's offense under Pete Carrill had a glacial pace. I'd pay to see this board after 30 games of Eddie Jordan's offense. The Princeton offense also requires good shooters, which the Blazers don't have at this point.
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The Wizards weren't particularly slow with Jordan at the controls when they had Gil, Butler and Jamison.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Seriously, in Nate's offense, what IS Batum's role. Does he have one? If so, what is it? Do they EVER run any plays for him? They did on opening night when he posted up Nash (I guess Nate finally figured that one out - too bad it was six months too late), but I haven't seen them run any designed plays for Nic since.

BNM
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Nic is averaging 13 ppg and is getting the 3rd most shots/36 on the team for the rotation players. I find it incredulous that people would infer that Batum does not have a role on the offense. Batum has been given more opportunities this season than the previous two years; that he can't handle the load is not Nate's fault, is it?
 
BGrantFan said:
Um, Princeton's offense under Pete Carrill had a glacial pace. I'd pay to see this board after 30 games of Eddie Jordan's offense. The Princeton offense also requires good shooters, which the Blazers don't have at this point.
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It definitely takes the right players to run it, as does any offense. It's a great offense to watch though as the Kings demonstrated in the early 2000's.

When Rick Adelman became Sacramento's head coach before the 1998-1999 season, Carril helped Adelman install the Princeton offense and oversaw the Kings' development into one of the NBA's best, most talented, and most potent offensive teams.
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As stated in the youtube clip I provided Carill is the one who taught Jordan the Princeton offense.

I was just throwing it out there because people want more motion and less ISO's.
 
RoyToy said:
It definitely takes the right players to run it, as does any offense. It's a great offense to watch though as the Kings demonstrated in the early 2000's.



As stated in the youtube clip I provided Carill is the one who taught Jordan the Princeton offense.

I was just throwing it out there because people want more motion and less ISO's.
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Hey, I agree with your take. It's just that the Blazers don't have the roster to effectively run that offense right now. I too loved watching the Kings in the early 2000s. They never made an NBA Finals, though, and they had Chris Webber, Peja, Vlade, and Mike Bibby in their prime. That was a great offensive team for running that offense, and it still wasn't enough to even get out of the Western Conference Playoffs.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Matthews is a chucker who thrives on multiple shot attempts. Starting him alongside Roy and Aldridge is stupid. Batum absolutely needs to be more aggressive, but starting Matthews isn't the answer.


And LOL at scrappiness and energy. What he needs is a better offense
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This joke is getting bigger by the day, as is Nate's Coaching ability. McMillan really does look like he's got his whole head up Brandon Roy's butt. If he kissed it any more, he'd be kissing the inside of his naval.

So, Nate thinks that a guy who has no meniscus in either knee is offering "energy" and "scrappiness".

Cho needs to grow a pair and step into this mess, shut Roy down for the season (including playoffs), and let the players who should be playing the most get out on the floor. Nate clearly has no idea what the hell he's doing.
 
HailBlazers said:
I have a better idea, start Wes in place of Roy. Get some tempo in the first squad, where Wes thrives, then bring B off the bench to score.
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That's the only way this team could play with Roy in the lineup....and Roy needs to be playing no more than sub-minutes, too.

Nate's really proving to be a real suck-up to Brandon.
 
Kingspoint said:
Cho needs to grow a pair and step into this mess, shut Roy down for the season (including playoffs), and let the players who should be playing the most get out on the floor. Nate clearly has no idea what the hell he's doing.
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I get that feeling every time I read one of your posts. Roy still has a PER of 18.1.
 
BGrantFan said:
Hey, I agree with your take. It's just that the Blazers don't have the roster to effectively run that offense right now. I too loved watching the Kings in the early 2000s. They never made an NBA Finals, though, and they had Chris Webber, Peja, Vlade, and Mike Bibby in their prime. That was a great offensive team for running that offense, and it still wasn't enough to even get out of the Western Conference Playoffs.
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1 team gets out of the Western Conference playoffs. The refs gift wrapped the Lakers that series, hardly any fault of the Kings.
 
This might be a good idea. People who complain about Batum not being aggressive or assertive enough...he will have plenty of chances if he's with the bench unit. Playing with Roy/Aldridge/Miller, it's not surprising he isn't assertive.
 
LameR said:
he will have plenty of chances if he's with the bench unit.
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But that's not his game. Why a lot of us really like Nic is because he can play with stars and make them better by helping to space the floor, keeping defenses honest, running the break, moving off the ball, and shouldering a large defensive load. He's a super complementary player. But this system hinders pretty much everything that he's good at, and only magnifies his seemingly lackadaisical attitude.

He will not play well in the Travis role that Nate wants. This is just a horrible misuse of Nic's talents, and a pathetic evaluation by Nate on Nic's game.

Oh and I didn't mention, he's one of the smartest players on the floor with this team. Guys like Tayshaun have raved about how controlled, efficient, and intelligent he is, but putting him on the bench now as a "scorer," is only going to make him a chucker.
 
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