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President Joe Biden will announce a new working group with Britain and Australia to share advanced technologies in a thinly veiled bid to counter China, a White House official and a congressional staffer told POLITICO.

The trio, which will be known by the acronym AUKUS, will make it easier for the three countries to share information and know-how in key technological areas like artificial intelligence, cyber, underwater systems and long-range strike capabilities.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/15/biden-deal-uk-australia-defense-tech-sharing-511877

This is huge news here. Australia will purchase, and operate nuclear powered submarines having avoided them for decades. US nuclear subs will also operate out of Perth, Western Australia. The Chinese Communist Party’s aggression has forced us into this.
 
In what way?
New Zealand used to ban any ship that had uranium as a fuel or warhead. They've now relaxed that at least somewhat.
Australia has never banned nuclear ships.
 
New Zealand used to ban any ship that had uranium as a fuel or warhead. They've now relaxed that at least somewhat.
Australia has never banned nuclear ships.
Yep, that’s correct. However Australia has always operated conventional diesel powered subs, deliberately avoiding nuclear powered subs. Australia is currently building new diesel powered subs in conjunction with France. We have now cancelled that project, and will for the first time be building nuclear powered subs in conjunction with the US, and UK. There are currently only six nations with nuclear powered subs (with Brazil in development), Australia will become the seventh (or eighth).

This is huge in terms of Australia’s defence capability, but even bigger in terms of the message it sends the CCP. The more the CCP attempts to bully Australia, the more it pushes Australia away, and into the arms of allies who are perfectly willing to arm them.

The CCP’s “Wolf Warrior “ ways are not bringing nations to heel. They are having the opposite effect of uniting nations in defiance of them. They would catch more flies with honey.
 
Biden made this a priority when he was running for office. I think it's a very good idea and also hope we can bring several other countries.
 
Yep, that’s correct. However Australia has always operated conventional diesel powered subs, deliberately avoiding nuclear powered subs. Australia is currently building new diesel powered subs in conjunction with France. We have now cancelled that project, and will for the first time be building nuclear powered subs in conjunction with the US, and UK. There are currently only six nations with nuclear powered subs (with Brazil in development), Australia will become the seventh (or eighth).

This is huge in terms of Australia’s defence capability, but even bigger in terms of the message it sends the CCP. The more the CCP attempts to bully Australia, the more it pushes Australia away, and into the arms of allies who are perfectly willing to arm them.

The CCP’s “Wolf Warrior “ ways are not bringing nations to heel. They are having the opposite effect of uniting nations in defiance of them. They would catch more flies with honey.
Do you know what this reminds me of?
On the Beach
A great movie that I'm going to place in the movies thread.
 
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Do you know what this reminds me of?
On the Beach
A great movie that I'm going to place in the movies thread.
The COVID-19 pandemic has reminded me of that book/films. When COVID-19 was spreading around the world, and Australia remained COVID-19 free, it seemed like we were living in a paradise as the rest of the world was dying. We continued to go about our normal lives, ignoring the inevitability of our doom, because we may as well enjoy our last COVID-19 free moments. It still feels a bit like that for me, as even though some parts of Australia are struggling with COVID-19, my state is completely COVID-19 free. I'm grateful, but it's an eerie feeling, just like the tone of the movie.
 
President Joe Biden will announce a new working group with Britain and Australia to share advanced technologies in a thinly veiled bid to counter China, a White House official and a congressional staffer told POLITICO. The trio, which will be known by the acronym AUKUS, will make it easier for the three countries to share information and know-how

How does forming a mere working group, change what can be sold to another country? Don't new sales require a change in policy or legislation, in whichever country had prevented the sales? Subsequent groups will be the effect, not the cause of the change.

Also, how will longer-duration subs intimidate China into ceasing their already-finished taking over of the world economy? As I've predicted for many years, the U.S. will admit by 2030 that it's only #2.
 
The Pacific Rim is going to need every country to contain China's expansionist Naval trend since Trump's trade war...this sets a good foundation for resistance to China's aggression...should include Vietnam, Phillipines, India, Taiwan, Japan and S Korea as well as Malaysia, Singapore, New Zealand and Indonesia...last four years China has really boosted it's invesments in Latin America, Africa and the Middle East ..
 
France erupts as Australia prepares to ditch $90BILLION submarine plan for a US nuclear powered fleet - complaining they have been 'stabbed in the back'
  • France 'stabbed in back' by Australian nuclear submarine deal, ex diplomat said
  • 'The world is a jungle,' ex French ambassador to the US Gerard Araud tweeted
  • Australia likely will ditch $90billion deal made in 2016 with French company
  • The plan involved building a fleet of diesel-powered submarines in Adelaide
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...submarine-plan-Frances-fury-stabbed-back.html
 
China is not going to surpass the US, and definitely not the US and its allies. Their population will be half of what it is now by the end of the century. It was fun while it lasted, but it is over for them.
 
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They serve a great burger.
The Navy has always had great food. When in Vietnam I was once stationed in a small detachment on Monkey Mountain near Da Nang. Our detachment was too small to have a mess hall so three times a day we rode a truck down to the Navy base at Camp Tien Sha, near Da Nang. It was like dying and going to heaven. In my two years in the Army I've never eaten that good. They had like three main courses to choose from and could choose from about half a dozen, side dishes, desserts and salads. In my Army base in Da Nang near the airport we ate powdered eggs, powdered milk, powdered krusteaz pancake mix mixed with water, and karo corn syrup with no napkins and no butter of margarine. Every morning that's what I ate. For dinner we had some sort of scrawny chicken and powdered mashed potatoes with no napkins. Always these strange giant horse pills that were giant, round and pinkish. They told us they were to prevent malaria but I suspect it was some sort of guinea pig medicine and we were the guinea pigs.
Ah the good old days, weren't they fun.
One day, before moving up on Monkey Mountain, we had a steak fry. Wow, we got all excited. Imagine that, steak in Vietnam in 1968. Turned out it was the toughest meet I've ever had in my life. I feel certain that we traded some very cheap (90 cents to $1.10 a fifth) whiskey for almost certainly a very old and tough as hell bull water buffalo. I literally almost choked to death on one bite. Actually couldn't breathe for a minute or so. God Bless the Navy.
 
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Why are nuclear subs a problem?
Where did you hear they were a problem?
It's the contract cancellation and the method it was handled that's the problem as I know it.
 
Think of it as the Peugeot dealer complaining that his would-be customer decided to buy a Ford instead.

barfo
They sell $50 Billion dollar Peugeots and you can get out of the signed contract willy nilly?
 
This thing is serious and doesn't appear to have been handled well. Surely there is more to the story.
Remember when we took out the French embassy in Libya because they wouldnt allow us to fly over their air space?
 
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France erupts as Australia prepares to ditch $90BILLION submarine plan for a US nuclear powered fleet - complaining they have been 'stabbed in the back'
  • France 'stabbed in back' by Australian nuclear submarine deal, ex diplomat said
  • 'The world is a jungle,' ex French ambassador to the US Gerard Araud tweeted
  • Australia likely will ditch $90billion deal made in 2016 with French company
  • The plan involved building a fleet of diesel-powered submarines in Adelaide
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...submarine-plan-Frances-fury-stabbed-back.html
There have been many problems with this contract. The French company initially said they could do it for $50 billion, but it blew out to $90 billion. They were supposed to hire a 90% Australian workforce, but then reduced it to 60%. The French, and Australian staff had very different work ethics. The French were well aware of all of these issues, yet they remained unresolved. If the French want to be angry at someone, they should look in the mirror.

Budget overruns and culture clashes over long vacations plagued the $50 billion submarine deal France got booted from in favor of the US and UK

  • France's deal to build Australia's new submarines was dogged by years of problems.

  • They came to a head this week when Australia ditched France and struck a deal with the UK and US.

  • As costs ballooned, officials were "stunned" by the French taking a month vacation each summer.
 

This seems like a big deal, until you realise that withdrawing it's ambassadors is France's go to move.

In 2019, Paris recalled its envoy to neighbouring Italy after the country’s leaders made critical public comments about the French government.

Last year, France recalled its ambassador to Turkey after Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Mr Macron needed mental health treatment.
France withdraws ambassadors to Australia and US over submarines deal
 

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