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Minstrel said:
All right. Are we agreed that an offer with a top-five pick trumps that?

Regarding players, we'll have to evaluate when the trade happens. If it happens.
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Sorry, #5 pick is not better than 10,20,27

#5 plus a, lets say buddy hield (previous year lottery pick) is better than those though
 
OSUBlazerfan said:
Sorry, #5 pick is not better than 10,20,27
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Then we fundamentally disagree. I don't think the Blazers could move into the top five with those three picks. 27 is barely even a first-rounder. Anyone you draft at 27, there's a decent chance would last into the second round.
 
Minstrel said:
Then we fundamentally disagree. I don't think the Blazers could move into the top five with those three picks. 27 is barely even a first-rounder. Anyone you draft at 27, there's a decent chance would last into the second round.
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I mean if thats the case, why wouldnt Boston pursue PG instead of Butler? I think BKN's pick should be enough for PG. If Indiana waits, until next season to trade him, they are making a big mistake.
 
Schilly said:
Just a thought on what Aldridge said. He didn't say the Blazers could get any player in the NBA with those picks, he said they could get any player they are after using those picks.... It's a subtle difference but the difference is real. We really don't know what Neils "plan" is we just have our own individual ideas of what it should be. In other words Neil might not be after Butler and George.
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Do U really believe that the Blazers could get "any player" with the 10th, 21st and 28th pick? seriously? If DA said that he knows nothing
 
Blazinaway said:
Do U really believe that the Blazers could get "any player" with the 10th, 21st and 28th pick? seriously? If DA said that he knows nothing
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Read what I said again. Think about it for a minute and then ask yourself if you are asking me the right question.
 
OSUBlazerfan said:
I mean if thats the case, why wouldnt Boston pursue PG instead of Butler? I think BKN's pick should be enough for PG. If Indiana waits, until next season to trade him, they are making a big mistake.
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I actually think Boston might be displaying indecisiveness under pressure. Until now, there was no pressure--you build assets, let your young players develop and any wins you get are gravy. They've finally reached the point where contention is actually realistic--they're just a couple games behind a Cleveland team that lost Love for six weeks. They could realistically get the #1 seed. This is where they have to make hugely impactful decisions that could make a big difference how their contention window goes. From what I've read of Boston beat writers, there isn't an obvious plan emerging.

Indiana could also not be ready to trade. If a knock-out deal isn't on the table right now, they might want to wait and see if they can get a better deal at the draft or at the next deadline. They also have an obvious interest in waiting for the lottery to know exactly what picks they'd be acquiring.

It's really hard to predict actual activity when it isn't clear which players are really on the block and what's being asked.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
Man. You get wait to high and low at the flip of a switch. Find your Chi or Zen.
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I'm not too low lol.

I can sense that were not going to even be linked to any of these guys.

It's not like I'm about to jump off a bridge over it.
 
Schilly said:
He didn't say the Blazers could get any player in the NBA with those picks, he said they could get any player they are after using those picks....
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Blazinaway said:
Do U really believe that the Blazers could get "any player" with the 10th, 21st and 28th pick? seriously? If DA said that he knows nothing
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OSUBlazerfan said:
I think so. 1-2 def are.
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So the only issue is that you two draw the line in different places and 3-5 are debatable. This draft you may be right, but we likely won't know for a few years. I think the general point was a single high pick has more value than a bunch of lower picks. If Portland kept all their picks and somehow lucked into the top two then it would open up a lot more doors.
 
Given how few picks from 21-30 range amount to much in NBA, two late first round picks are not that valuable. There is a chance you get a great talent but for every Draymond Green and Jimmy Butler you have 40 players you won't even remember 5 years after the draft. I would still rather keep them than trade them for someone useless or use them to dump salaries, if only because good scouting can get you a Jokic there. In a package for someone good you may consider this.

Realistically our most valuable pick is our pick and teams trading for it will know that the better player we get, the less valuable that pick is. Right now it's 9-12 range in all likelihood but with Paul George or Jimmy Butler maybe it becomes 16-18. The closer to the draft we are, the more value this pick could have. To get true value for it we might tank and revisit this idea in 3 months but we also need to have a plan for the draft because those opportunities to trade may never come. Last year all Utah got for a lottery pick was George Hill which is nothing special.
 
Sarni said:
Given how few picks from 21-30 range amount to much in NBA, two late first round picks are not that valuable. There is a chance you get a great talent but for every Draymond Green and Jimmy Butler you have 40 players you won't even remember 5 years after the draft. I would still rather keep them than trade them for someone useless or use them to dump salaries, if only because good scouting can get you a Jokic there. In a package for someone good you may consider this.
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Usually true, but this year it's different. One of the deepest classes in years. You'll see guys that would normally go in the lottery there in the 20s. Mix that in with the cap spike and the value of cheap talent like that skyrockets
 
Scalma said:
Usually true, but this year it's different. One of the deepest classes in years. You'll see guys that would normally go in the lottery there in the 20s. Mix that in with the cap spike and the value of cheap talent like that skyrockets
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Yeah but if that's the case, isn't it better to keep the picks? With three shots we might hit a Giannis or a Draymond there. It's better to shoot three times than once.
 
Sarni said:
Yeah but if that's the case, isn't it better to keep the picks? With three shots we might hit a Giannis or a Draymond there. It's better to shoot three times than once.
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I dont think there's a wrong way to attack here. I will say this though; draft picks take years to develop. The odds you'll add instant impact is pretty low. I see our window with Dame and CJ as the next four or so years. If we can add a star like Butler, whose age and contract is similar to those two, you almost have to do it.
 
Yes, I think that if Portland is going after Butler or George that it is both in their interest and in Chciago/Indiana interest to wait until the draft positions are settled. Portland might make a small trade to try to pick up a younger player or another draft pick before then, but I can't really think of anything feasible unless it involves Crabbe and that may be easier also if they wait.. I think Indiana probably would like Crabbe because Bird wouldn't be into a complete rebuild, in fact he already has Turner who he wants to build around. Chicago would do a complete rebuild and would have no interest in Crabbe.
 
selloutking said:
OK SO
he likes dame's game
he also wants to play on a winning team

at this point this team isn't showing that we are much better than his current team

so it would come down to, does he see the blazers as a team that would make that leap with him coming here?
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Wrong question at the wrong time. The first question is what would you have to give the Pacers to pry him loose. Assuming you can do that, then you have to ask, after a year of playing in Portland, would he likely stay? If you get him to Portland, playing with Dame and CJ, with a decent center (Nurckic), I think that team could be quite good and could convince him to stay.

But, the first question is the problem right now.
 
What I'd try to do:

Trade 4 picks, Harkless, Ezeli, and any filler it takes for George or Butler.

Those picks would be our 3 this year (with ours being lottery protected, with next years being top 10 protected). This means we'd probably still keep our pick, and trade a pick next year around 20.

The other being our 2019 pick, top 10 protected.

If something goes wrong (such as PG not resigning with us after next year), then we trade one of Dame/CJ for a high 2019 pick, and tank so we keep our 2019 1st.

We'd still have our top 10 2019 first, have another extremely high pick for the Lillard or McCollum trade.

We also be more likely able to trade Crabbe and Turner.

So we'd reset with 3 picks, and have some cap space to try to do some things or take salary for extra picks, etc. We'd still have whatever became of Nurkic, Vonleh, and Layman.

Basically, it's a risky move, but minimizing the risk as much as possible to be able to trade 4 draft picks while still not mortgaging away the future should things go wrong.
 
Schilly said:
Just a thought on what Aldridge said. He didn't say the Blazers could get any player in the NBA with those picks, he said they could get any player they are after using those picks.... It's a subtle difference but the difference is real. We really don't know what Neils "plan" is we just have our own individual ideas of what it should be. In other words Neil might not be after Butler and George.
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I agree so much with this, and was the way I interpreted it. Blazers could realistically get...Lopez, Milsap, Taj Gibson...etc. with their picks. Not they can get anyone, and then we get 10 pages on Butler and George. Our pick is 10, but maybe not with George on board. So it's 3 potentially non-lotto picks? Very unlikely. Especially with Boston sitting on Brooklyn picks and recent lotto pick. Our targets, not anyone in the league available.
 
BonesJones said:
What I'd try to do:

Trade 4 picks, Harkless, Ezeli, and any filler it takes for George or Butler.

Those picks would be our 3 this year (with ours being lottery protected, with next years being top 10 protected). This means we'd probably still keep our pick, and trade a pick next year around 20.

The other being our 2019 pick, top 10 protected.

If something goes wrong (such as PG not resigning with us after next year), then we trade one of Dame/CJ for a high 2019 pick, and tank so we keep our 2019 1st.

We'd still have our top 10 2019 first, have another extremely high pick for the Lillard or McCollum trade.

We also be more likely able to trade Crabbe and Turner.

So we'd reset with 3 picks, and have some cap space to try to do some things or take salary for extra picks, etc. We'd still have whatever became of Nurkic, Vonleh, and Layman.

Basically, it's a risky move, but minimizing the risk as much as possible to be able to trade 4 draft picks while still not mortgaging away the future should things go wrong.
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You can't trade back to back first round picks
 
I believe Neil going to wait and see approach. He waiting to see how the team going to play with Nurk in the lineup. Nurk need to play at least 28 to 32 minutes per game so the team can be evaluated the rest of the season. Then we will evaluate what to do in the off season.
 
This is a prime opportunity for Portland to balance out some of their issues by trading either Lillard or CJ for Butler/George. I mean, I like Damian and CJ, but just think for a second. If we had Lillard and Butler as our starters, would you trade Butler for CJ? If CJ were our starting PG and George our starting 3, would you trade George for Lillard to pair CJ and Dame in the back court?
 
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