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Camara, Avdija, and Sharpe are trending up. Simons and Ayton were negatives last year and now they are gone. And team went 23-18 to close season last year. Defense should be improved. We have 3 All NBA Defense players. We’ll see. Prepare to be shocked.
These guys just talk out of their arses, lol. They’re chronically negative no matter what the topic is. We suck because of Ayton, we suck without Ayton. You can’t win.
 
Ayton missed most of the second half of the season. We played better when Simons was on the bench. The two main reasons we had a surge were Camara and Avdija who are still here and primed for a leap.

Yet youd agree with me if I said they were doing well.

The team is mid. Any rational fan knows this.
 
These guys just talk out of their arses, lol. They’re chronically negative no matter what the topic is. We suck because of Ayton, we suck without Ayton. You can’t win.

We were better with ayton than we are without him. Thats how bad the team is now.

Its fine. At least we got rid of the two players who were absolutely useless here.

And our team is worse for now. But that is how it has to be to get better. They just waited forever on simons.
 
Yet youd agree with me if I said they were doing well.

The team is mid. Any rational fan knows this.

Any rational fan( not fair weather troll) knows there is such a thing as trending. A mid team trending down is no good. A mid team trending up is good. We are overall getting younger. We have youth that will get better.
Are we there yet? Of course not. But your daily doom and gloom is off the charts these days and is sooo irrational, people should know you are just trolling.

when you gonna drop the shtick and stop posting like a prick on here?
 
These guys just talk out of their arses, lol. They’re chronically negative no matter what the topic is. We suck because of Ayton, we suck without Ayton. You can’t win.

yeah and its a mod who leads this trolling bullshit…
 
These guys just talk out of their arses, lol. They’re chronically negative no matter what the topic is. We suck because of Ayton, we suck without Ayton. You can’t win.

To bad passionate fans can be banned from here for “causing drama” but a mod can intentionally troll the fan base, do it on a regular basis and get mod support for it. just sayin.

When you cant respect other people enough to drop an annoying shtick after the masses have told you you are annoying, then you are one selfish asshole.
Just my opinion.
 
We were better with ayton than we are without him. Thats how bad the team is now.

Its fine. At least we got rid of the two players who were absolutely useless here.

And our team is worse for now. But that is how it has to be to get better. They just waited forever on simons.

When everyone on the team has a negative +/-, we are just nitpicking who sucked more than the other. Ayton could be an offensive force when he wanted to be and also seemed to have a good on court game with Scoot. Often found him for lobs. Ayton could also rebound well when he wanted to. But it was always when he was motivated for his own reasons. And of course the locker room and off court stuff was a bridge too far, even for this owner and management group. Sharpe had a negative +/- also. But he is looked upon completely differently from Ayton. I agree, we got rid of the two that were useless to the stated goals of management, develop the youth. At the time that meant Sharpe/Scoot. Now they can add Camara, Clingan, Yang and even Deni to that group. Watching Ant at the end of games was torture as it went against the stated goals. The young players should have been learning from being in games during crunch time. Not from watching Ant or Grant go ISO and do what they wanted. I agree, this team is worse now without Ayton and Ant. I wish it was further worse without Grant/Holiday. Fully roll with the youth mixed with a smattering of vets that they could get back in trade for Grant/Holiday. I would love to watch those games with the young guys running the show, learning from mistakes, just like OKC did.
 
That doesn't make up for the porous defense.

arguably, Ayton "shoots better". But without question Clingan is a batter rim protector, better paint defender, disrupts more shots, & a better rebounder. The totality of that far outpaces Ayton's alleged better shooting

but even with Ayton's supposedly better shooting his TS% was .583; Clingan was at .574...and he was a rookie learning the ropes. More than that is this: Ayton averaged 1.23 points/shot; Clingan averaged 1.31. Yet Ayton is the "better shooter"?
 
We were better with ayton than we are without him. Thats how bad the team is now.

Its fine. At least we got rid of the two players who were absolutely useless here.

And our team is worse for now. But that is how it has to be to get better. They just waited forever on simons.
The numbers don’t support you. Ayton was a negative last year. Our team is better without him.
 
We are worse now that he is not on our roster.
Talent wise sure. But that doesn’t mean he actually made us better. And stats show he didn’t, as someone posted a winning record with and without Ayton last year

an example would be Clippers letting Paul George go. They got worse talent wise but from a team standpoint they didn’t lose anything and actually got pieces that fit their team better.
 
arguably, Ayton "shoots better". But without question Clingan is a batter rim protector, better paint defender, disrupts more shots, & a better rebounder. The totality of that far outpaces Ayton's alleged better shooting

but even with Ayton's supposedly better shooting his TS% was .583; Clingan was at .574...and he was a rookie learning the ropes. More than that is this: Ayton averaged 1.23 points/shot; Clingan averaged 1.31. Yet Ayton is the "better shooter"?
And Clingan can set a screen. Ayton doesn't seem to want to.
 
arguably, Ayton "shoots better". But without question Clingan is a batter rim protector, better paint defender, disrupts more shots, & a better rebounder. The totality of that far outpaces Ayton's alleged better shooting

but even with Ayton's supposedly better shooting his TS% was .583; Clingan was at .574...and he was a rookie learning the ropes. More than that is this: Ayton averaged 1.23 points/shot; Clingan averaged 1.31. Yet Ayton is the "better shooter"?
Ayton jacks up a bunch of inefficient jumpers. Ayton might have had skills to be better on offense than Clingan, but he didn't capitalize on those.

I will give Ayton credit he is better defending small players on the perimeter.
 
Technically correct. But in production per center minute played. To be determined. We are certainly not as deep
Which is my point. Now everybody slide up. Now your 2nd string center can’t stay healthy….now what? Not sure about the pushback on me feeling this way. I keep getting PAGES of numbers and research about how much more efficient and better we are with NO Ayton….. we will see won’t we.
 
I’m sure I could find an Ant Simmons steals pack somewhere.
 
I saw some fantastic pick n roll situations with Scoot last season. With DA finishing on an ally pop or a nice mid range j.
There was some synergy at times for sure. Ayton had some really good games. But honestly he is not great at setting a screen. When he can drop off his screen and break to the basket he is pretty effective (not Affective) but if you need him to stand firm and make the defender guard around him the ballhandler is in trouble.
 
Whether Ayton was bad or not, if they don’t use the MLE that they freed up then this was a stupid decision. He was an expiring contract. Maybe he has somewhat better value at the deadline. Unless they felt that he was so toxic that he had to go, the move doesn’t make a lot of sense.
 
Whether Ayton was bad or not, if they don’t use the MLE that they freed up then this was a stupid decision. He was an expiring contract. Maybe he has somewhat better value at the deadline. Unless they felt that he was so toxic that he had to go, the move doesn’t make a lot of sense.

I'm actually a bit of an Ayton defender, but what part of this doesn't make sense? They have said they want to commit to the defensive identity. Swapping Clingan for Ayton does this.

They had enough of his antics and didn't want him polluting the youth and they seem excited about their draft pick so this opens up minutes for him as well.

All the while saving money and creating flexibility.
 
I'm actually a bit of an Ayton defender, but what part of this doesn't make sense? They have said they want to commit to the defensive identity. Swapping Clingan for Ayton does this.

They had enough of his antics and didn't want him polluting the youth and they seem excited about their draft pick so this opens up minutes for him as well.

All the while saving money and creating flexibility.
If they don’t use the MLE then they gave up an asset for nothing. Actually, not nothing. They paid an asset to go play for one of the teams that they’re competing against for a playoff spot.

If Ayton is so bad, tell him not to come around and just hold onto his contract as an asset. Teams did call them about Ayton. They chose not to take on contracts. But our center rotation is fairly dubious right now.

Clingan - can’t play 30+ minutes.

Yang - unproven rookie.

RWIII - Will he ever be healthy?

Reath - fine as a third center.

Yes we have a lot of centers but it’s not clear yet what the rotation will look like next season. We can only speculate. What if Yang is god awful?
 
If they don’t use the MLE then they gave up an asset for nothing. Actually, not nothing. They paid an asset to go play for one of the teams that they’re competing against for a playoff spot.

Not necessarily. They can do things in a trade that they couldn't previously do with Ayton.

If Ayton is so bad, tell him not to come around and just hold onto his contract as an asset. Teams did call them about Ayton. They chose not to take on contracts. But our center rotation is fairly dubious right now.

Do you have another example of a team telling another player not to come around for a full season? Doesn't really work like that.

Clingan - can’t play 30+ minutes.

Yang - unproven rookie.

RWIII - Will he ever be healthy?

Reath - fine as a third center.

Yes we have a lot of centers but it’s not clear yet what the rotation will look like next season. We can only speculate. What if Yang is god awful?

The Blazers shouldn't be operating from a place of fear (what if?). They may ultimately be proven wrong, but obviously they have confidence in Yang if they pulled a stunner and drafted him ahead of consensus. He may be terrible, but he needs to play and develop regardless. I argue for the same thing with Scoot/Shae. Take the training wheels off, let them start and bring Jrue in behind them.
 
If they don’t use the MLE then they gave up an asset for nothing. Actually, not nothing. They paid an asset to go play for one of the teams that they’re competing against for a playoff spot.

If Ayton is so bad, tell him not to come around and just hold onto his contract as an asset. Teams did call them about Ayton. They chose not to take on contracts. But our center rotation is fairly dubious right now.

Clingan - can’t play 30+ minutes.

Yang - unproven rookie.

RWIII - Will he ever be healthy?

Reath - fine as a third center.

Yes we have a lot of centers but it’s not clear yet what the rotation will look like next season. We can only speculate. What if Yang is god awful?
Which would you rather have:
1) Luka + rest of Lakers
2) Luka with zero teammates, but with over $100 mil in cap space?

There is such a thing as addition by subtraction.
 
Which would you rather have:
1) Luka + rest of Lakers
2) Luka with zero teammates, but with over $100 mil in cap space?

There is such a thing as addition by subtraction.

Imagine if we would have done that deal for Barkley in the 90's. We would have had Drazen and Cliff fill in for the players we lost.
 

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