Politics Bad signs for the Republican Party

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Your truths are a lot like his.

Mine are well reasoned and researched.

Said your mama......and you, the guy who tries to argue all sides of an issue so as to avoid ever being wrong.......

 

[Minstrel]

What off the tracks train of thought are you on now?

Geez.

I guess what I'm trying to say here is that I don't think you're an objective voice on your own opinions. So your constant assertions that your opinions are great, the best opinions, folks, don't mean a whole lot.

 

[Denny Crane]

I guess what I'm trying to say here is that I don't think you're an objective voice on your own opinions. So your constant assertions that your opinions are great, the best opinions, folks, don't mean a whole lot.

My opinions are neither great or not. They're opinions.

The truth isn't opinion.

Maybe you'll get it someday.

 

[Minstrel]

The truth isn't opinion.

Your interpretations of the truth are. And ones I really enjoy reading.

 

[barfo]

The things that haven't worked in the past are being addressed in a different way. The idiocy of repeating the same strategy that is a proven failure is what he ran on. If he gets his 3%+ GDP growth, decreases the trade deficits, and does something like brokering peace between the Palestinians and Israel, he'd certainly be up there with the last two really good presidents: Clinton and Reagan.

Doing things differently doesn't imply greatness.

Since the blazers didn't win the championship last year, maybe Damian should play this year drunk and blindfolded. And let's replace Nurk with a 7-year-old girl. And CJ should wear a straightjacket during the games.

If the results are there, we're all going to be happy even if idiots try to dismiss it.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Your interpretations of the truth are. And ones I really enjoy reading.

I don't interpret the Truth. It's not a possibility.

See, there you go with the bad logic.

 

[Denny Crane]

Doing things differently doesn't imply greatness.

Since the blazers didn't win the championship last year, maybe Damian should play this year drunk and blindfolded. And let's replace Nurk with a 7-year-old girl. And CJ should wear a straightjacket during the games.

If the results are there, we're all going to be happy even if idiots try to dismiss it.

barfo

Doing something different implies a chance to succeed where previous methods are proven failures.

The rest of the nonsense in your post is barely intelligible, not intelligent.

 

[barfo]

The rest of the nonsense in your post is barely intelligible, not intelligent.

I was quoting you, guess you didn't notice that since I didn't use the quote feature.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

I was quoting you, guess you didn't notice that.

barfo

No, you posted a bunch of nonsense. Only slightly moreso than your usual.

 

[Minstrel]

I don't interpret the Truth.

I see you've begun capitalizing it, like a true religious prophet. Keep preaching.

 

[Denny Crane]

I see you've begun capitalizing it, like a true religious prophet. Keep preaching.

Yes, it should be capitalized how I used it.

Has nothing to do with preaching. I am more and more convinced your education has failed you.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopra/can-the-truth-come-back-w_b_3561406.html

When it had a capital “T”, truth defined the essence of reality.

 

[Minstrel]

Has nothing to do with preaching.

Has nothing to do with preaching in this case? Agree to disagree.

 

[barfo]

Doing something different implies a chance to succeed where previous methods are proven failures.

Previous attempts to teleport humans have all failed, but if you hit yourself with a brick while singing "Oh, Susanna", does that imply a chance to succeed?

Doing something stupid is not a rational response to failure, nor is it likely to achieve greatness. If that's your only reason for thinking Trump can be great, I recommend you try teleportation.

barfo

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Yes, so did the Unabomber.

Have you read any of his manifesto? I have and the psycho was spot on in some of it. Denny starts bombing things and I'll start to worry

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Have you read any of his manifesto? I have and the psycho was spot on in some of it. Denny starts bombing things and I'll start to worry

Don't mention D's name, he'll claim you're infatuated with him.

 

[riverman]

Trump's dysfunctional circus is basically him with a twitter acct and a 2 minute attention span spewing a massive propaganda campaign....he's campaigning ..not leading...he's vocally separated himself from the majority of the population with insults and nobody wants to work for him..half those who do get fired ......it's season 1 of the apprentice and he's too lazy to read a new script. His path has been one of clumsy half measures and back pedaling...very, very knowledgeable professionals have repeatedly called his bluff.....

 

[Denny Crane]

hit yourself with a brick while singing "Oh, Susanna"

barfo

You go first.

 

[Sedatedfork]

So apparently Mitch is to blame for the failure to repeal OCare. Why isn't this Trump's failure? I thought Trump was the deal maker. No significant deals have been made.

 

[barfo]

 

[Cippy91]

The Unabomber felt that way about his opinions, too. We're all biased in favor of ourselves.

MAGA

EXPOSED

MAGA

 

[Cippy91]

Previous attempts to teleport humans have all failed, but if you hit yourself with a brick while singing "Oh, Susanna", does that imply a chance to succeed?

Doing something stupid is not a rational response to failure, nor is it likely to achieve greatness. If that's your only reason for thinking Trump can be great, I recommend you try teleportation.

barfo

bad joke is a bad joke

 

[BlazerCaravan]

I like how that lofty bold number at the top is fucking 50%

 

[Rastapopoulos]

So apparently Mitch is to blame for the failure to repeal OCare. Why isn't this Trump's failure? I thought Trump was the deal maker. No significant deals have been made.

 

[Denny Crane]

You twitterer is a moron.

Maybe you want to read the two from Trump to see what they really said.

 

[Minstrel]

This gets nicely at the silliness of candidate Trump marketing himself as a unique deal-maker who could force DC politicos to their knees and force fantastic bills through, followed by President Trump (and his supporters) insisting that it's hard to make deals if Republicans and Democrats are mean and won't do as he asks.

‘I Alone Can Fix It’ Becomes ‘It’s Not My Fault’

To the (very limited) extent Trump had a successful positive message in 2016 — and did not merely rely on tarnishing his opponent — he appealed to low-information voters as a deal-making virtuoso. They didn’t understand the complexity of passing legislation through a fragmented system with multiple veto points, and believed Trump was some close approximation of the character he played on The Apprentice, who could overpower the mysterious gridlock in Washington. Trump boasted over and over that he was a dealmaker, deals are what he does, and his negotiating prowess would overcome any barrier. He may well have believed this himself.

It was a potent appeal, the first time. Now the illusion has been shattered, and Trump wants to sustain the illusion by changing his pitch. The promise of easy victories and making deals is now a list of excuses for why the members of Congress Trump was supposed to make deals with have all let him down. Every long con artist knows how to handle this problem — how to tell your mark that the land you sold them in Florida failed to appreciate as expected due to some unforeseeable events.

But con artists have a model based on exploiting their customers once. Trump has to run for reelection.​

 

[Denny Crane]

http://host.madison.com/ct/news/loc...cle_e1ba2e04-25bd-595c-8739-9f9641c8ede8.html

If the state didn’t see a large increase in private-sector jobs in July, it certainly heard a lot of conversation about creating private-sector jobs, as the state Assembly recently voted in favorof a $3 billion incentive package for Foxconn.

Foxconn is a Taiwanese company that has proposed building a LCD manufacturing plant to Wisconsin, potentially creating 13,000 jobs. To start, Foxconn would hire 3,000 workers. Some Democrats have declared themselves skeptical of the deal, especially after estimates came out showing the state would not break even on its $3 billion investment until 2043.

But other Democrats were drawn in by the possibility of such significant job creation.

"Say what you will about who the governor is, say what you will about who this company is, say what you will about investing our money into a Chinese company coming to Wisconsin — but you know what is worse? Watching those factories shutter and move to China and Mexico," said Rep. Cory Mason, D-Racine said Thursday.
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LOL at calling the $3B an investment. If it somehow costs the state $3B to get factories built there, we should be looking at WHY they need to provide those benefits to just get one factory. Whatever they're doing is driving away big business building factories there all along.

In other words, the $3B is well spent and maybe they should rid themselves of the taxes and regulations that keep other factories from being built there.

There is real debate about the factory providing jobs for Illinois residents over Wisconsin ones.

It's no coincidence that Illinois is in seriously bad fiscal shape after decades of Progressive policies. High taxes, trickle down government have failed miserably there.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/29/investing/illinois-budget-crisis-downgrade/index.html

How Illinois became America's most messed-up state
Politicians are notorious for making promises they can't keep. But they really outdid themselves in Illinois -- and now the state is paying for it.

Illinois is on the verge of becoming America's first state with a junk credit rating. The financial mess is the inevitable result of spending more on pensions and services than the state could afford -- then covering it up with reckless budget tricks.

After decades of historic mismanagement, Illinois is now grappling with $15 billion of unpaid bills and an unthinkable quarter-trillion dollars owed to public employees when they retire.

"Illinois got to this financially treacherous place by ignoring the long-term consequences of short-term decision-making," said Laurence Msall, the president of Civic Federation, a budget watchdog organization.

The budget crisis has crippled social services that survive on state money, hurting everything from mental health services and Meals on Wheels for homebound seniors to domestic violence support centers.

"The most vulnerable citizens in Illinois are being hurt the most severely," Msall said.
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The bit in red is how Progressive policies are downright dangerous.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

http://host.madison.com/ct/news/loc...cle_e1ba2e04-25bd-595c-8739-9f9641c8ede8.html

If the state didn’t see a large increase in private-sector jobs in July, it certainly heard a lot of conversation about creating private-sector jobs, as the state Assembly recently voted in favorof a $3 billion incentive package for Foxconn.

Foxconn is a Taiwanese company that has proposed building a LCD manufacturing plant to Wisconsin, potentially creating 13,000 jobs. To start, Foxconn would hire 3,000 workers. Some Democrats have declared themselves skeptical of the deal, especially after estimates came out showing the state would not break even on its $3 billion investment until 2043.

But other Democrats were drawn in by the possibility of such significant job creation.

"Say what you will about who the governor is, say what you will about who this company is, say what you will about investing our money into a Chinese company coming to Wisconsin — but you know what is worse? Watching those factories shutter and move to China and Mexico," said Rep. Cory Mason, D-Racine said Thursday.
​

LOL at calling the $3B an investment. If it somehow costs the state $3B to get factories built there, we should be looking at WHY they need to provide those benefits to just get one factory. Whatever they're doing is driving away big business building factories there all along.

In other words, the $3B is well spent and maybe they should rid themselves of the taxes and regulations that keep other factories from being built there.

There is real debate about the factory providing jobs for Illinois residents over Wisconsin ones.

It's no coincidence that Illinois is in seriously bad fiscal shape after decades of Progressive policies. High taxes, trickle down government have failed miserably there.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/29/investing/illinois-budget-crisis-downgrade/index.html

How Illinois became America's most messed-up state
Politicians are notorious for making promises they can't keep. But they really outdid themselves in Illinois -- and now the state is paying for it.

Illinois is on the verge of becoming America's first state with a junk credit rating. The financial mess is the inevitable result of spending more on pensions and services than the state could afford -- then covering it up with reckless budget tricks.

After decades of historic mismanagement, Illinois is now grappling with $15 billion of unpaid bills and an unthinkable quarter-trillion dollars owed to public employees when they retire.

"Illinois got to this financially treacherous place by ignoring the long-term consequences of short-term decision-making," said Laurence Msall, the president of Civic Federation, a budget watchdog organization.

The budget crisis has crippled social services that survive on state money, hurting everything from mental health services and Meals on Wheels for homebound seniors to domestic violence support centers.

"The most vulnerable citizens in Illinois are being hurt the most severely," Msall said.
​

The bit in red is how Progressive policies are downright dangerous.

A quarter trillion? Jeezus!

 

[Denny Crane]

https://www.fastcompany.com/40459122/michael-moore-says-trump-is-on-track-to-win-again-in-2020

Michael Moore Says Trump Is On Track To Win Again In 2020

Three weeks into the run of his anti-Trump Broadway show, The Terms of My Surrender, filmmaker and activist Michael Moore tells Fast Companythat the president will be reelected in 2020. “I should say re-appointed, because we will have an even larger population that will vote against him in 2020,” Moore says. “But he will win those electoral states as it stands now.”

As dire as Moore’s prediction is–and let’s not forget that he was one of the few people who foresaw a Trump victory–he has a plan to change how it stands.

 

[Denny Crane]

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-08-28/why-people-still-support-trump

Why People Still Support Trump
It's not all about bigotry and ignorance.

A week ago I expressed the hope that President Donald Trump's lamentable performance after the Charlottesville protests would hurt his standing in the polls. This didn't happen. If there was a blip, it was in the other direction. I'd be pleased if Trump's regrettable decision to pardon former sheriff Joe Arpaio dented his popularity, too, but I'm not holding my breath.

...

This sense that democratic politics is futile if not downright dangerous now infuses the worldview of the country's cultural and intellectual establishment. Trump is routinely accused of being authoritarian and anti-democratic, despite the fact that he won the election and, so far, has been checked at every point and has achieved almost nothing in policy terms. (He might wish he were an authoritarian, but he sure hasn't been allowed to function as one.) Many of his critics, on the other hand, are anti-democratic in a deeper sense: They appear to believe that a little less than half the country doesn't deserve the vote.

The second theory -- the correct theory -- is a terrible indictment of the Democratic Party and much of the media. Why aren't the intelligible and legitimate opinions of that large minority given a hearing? Why must their views be bundled reflexively into packages labelled "bigotry" and "stupidity"? Why can't this large minority of the American people be accorded something other than pity or scorn?

Those who scorn Trump's supporters might argue that none of their opinions are in fact intelligible or legitimate. After all, don't their views on immigration boil down to racism and white supremacy? What about their idea that the Charlottesville protesters and counter-protesters were morally the same? Or their morbid fear of change? Or the hypocrisy of their opposition to "big government," when everybody knows that Trump-voting states such as West Virginia are the biggest net recipients of federal money? If you read the New York Times, you know they have an endless supply of stupid, evil opinions.

In fact, this automatic attribution of stupidity and bad faith is just another kind of bigotry.

 

[barfo]

Why People Still Support Trump
It's not all about bigotry and ignorance.

That's true. A lot of it is bigotry and ignorance, but not all. And some of Trump's supporters, I assume, are good people.

barfo