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Mediocre Man said:
Had he said this three weeks ago it would have made snse, but we all know now they arent making the playoffs
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C'mon man. 30 games into the season and you really think you know who is making and not making the playoffs in the west? The Spurs are having some troubles for sure but they are by no means out of the playoffs. Now if you had said they will not be the number one seed i would wholeheartedly agree with you.
 
kjironman1 said:
C'mon man. 30 games into the season and you really think you know who is making and not making the playoffs in the west? The Spurs are having some troubles for sure but they are by no means out of the playoffs. Now if you had said they will not be the number one seed i would wholeheartedly agree with you.
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unless this was a funny continuation of the mm line, mm was poking fun at the "will X team make the playoffs" meme that kingspeed does.

As for Portland being the best team in the West, I don't see it. Among the top teams? Sure, but so is Golden State, Houston, Memphis and even though they're struggling now, San Antonio.


Btw, I thought it was hilarious hearing someone (I think ESPN) say how Pop is resting Tim Duncan more this year, despite the fact he's been playing more minutes this year than last year.

Same with Ginobili, Parker and Hawaii Leonard. Granted, Parker and Meyers Leonard have both missed games, their average minutes are all up. And Gino is reverting back to his 2013 status, where he looks like he should retire or take a month off.
 
magnifier661 said:
And yet he's got the highest FG% for any player in the NBA when games are decided by 5 points or less, beastly on the boards and our true defensive anchor.

Your numbers work when you are trying to explain why a teams losing. I'm sure many teams would love to have an Aldridge on their squad having the Blazer's record in the toughest conference.
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The numbers don't need to "work", they are what they are. Shaq and Smith were correct in calling him a jump shooter. Just as it would be correct to call Durant, Nowitski and Bosh jump shooters. But he doesn't shoot nearly as well as they do.

He's been a decent rebounder this year. He's ranked 44th in the league in defensive rebounding rate. (Bosh is 24) And I think he's playing the best defense of his career now.

Most stretch 4s take a much larger portion of their outside shots as 3s. Something Terry Stotts has been trying to get LA to do, which LA has resisted. But look at how he's shooting a better percentage from 3 this season than from mid range.
 
did anyone catch, later on, when Shaq was asking Charles how he could over look Golden State as the best team, since they have the "best record"?

But he discounted Portland right away, who has the 2nd* best record?




*basically tied with Houston and Memphis
 
Sinobas said:
The numbers don't need to "work", they are what they are. Shaq and Smith were correct in calling him a jump shooter. Just as it would be correct to call Durant, Nowitski and Bosh jump shooters. But he doesn't shoot nearly as well as they do.

He's been a decent rebounder this year. He's ranked 44th in the league in defensive rebounding rate. (Bosh is 24) And I think he's playing the best defense of his career now.

Most stretch 4s take a much larger portion of their outside shots as 3s. Something Terry Stotts has been trying to get LA to do, which LA has resisted. But look at how he's shooting a better percentage from 3 this season than from mid range.
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Did I argue he wasn't a jump shooter? My stats don't lie either. There isn't a player that has a higher clutch FG% than Aldridge, he is a beast rebounder and the Blazers are one of the best teams in the league with Aldridge being the guy taking the most shots. End of story
 
Sinobas said:
Another interesting stat on his shooting:
NBA.com has his most common shot type(by far) list as
Jump shot, 113/312 36%.

However, he's shooting a whopping 77% when those are assisted, and a terrible 23% when they are un assisted. Where he dribbles dribbles dribbles and jacks it up. In other words, like I said, he'd be better off taking them within the flow of the offense.
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Yet he's the #1 FG% in clutch games, the team's best rebounder and takes the most shots on a team that has the second best record in the league.
 
magnifier661 said:
Did I argue he wasn't a jump shooter? My stats don't lie either. There isn't a player that has a higher clutch FG% than Aldridge, he is a beast rebounder and the Blazers are one of the best teams in the league with Aldridge being the guy taking the most shots. End of story
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I made a post supporting the assertion that he was a jump shooter, and listed what his FG% was, and you retorted the weird assertion that those numbers "only work when trying to explain why a team is losing". That's why I said, no, the numbers are what they are whether Portland is winning or losing.

Where are you getting your clutch% from? I think Damian is our designated clutch man for a good reason. Though overall, clutch shooting is a bit over-rated, because of a guy misses goes 1-15 in the first 3 quarters then hits the last shot, he's a hero, but all his misses affect the score just as much. As Robin Lopez said, it's never the last shot.

And I wouldn't call being #44 in defensive rebounding % and #70 in OR% "beasting it"

Not sure what point you're trying to make about the Blazer's record. I'm pretty sure that missed shots don't help you win basketball games, so you'll have to explain that one further.

It's like saying "Nic Batum is the starting SF on this team and he's only shooting 20% from 3pt range, we have a great record so that proves it doesn't matter if your SF can't shoot 3s".
 
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magnifier661 said:
Yet he's the #1 FG% in clutch games, the team's best rebounder and takes the most shots on a team that has the second best record in the league.
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I had to delete that post, because I realized that those numbers were the percentage of shots made that were assisted vs unassisted. So most of his makes are assisted, but he's not actually shooting 77% on asssisted shots.
 
Sinobas said:
I made a post supporting the assertion that he was a jump shooter, and listed what his FG% was, and you retorted the weird assertion that those numbers "only work when trying to explain why a team is losing". That's why I said, no, the numbers are what they are whether Portland is winning or losing.

Where are you getting your clutch% from? I think Damian is our designated clutch man for a good reason. Though overall, clutch shooting is a bit over-rated, because of a guy misses goes 1-15 in the first 3 quarters then hits the last shot, he's a hero, but all his misses affect the score just as much. As Robin Lopez said, it's never the last shot.

And I wouldn't call being #44 in defensive rebounding % and #70 in OR% "beasting it"

Not sure what point you're trying to make about the Blazer's record. I'm pretty sure that missed shots don't help you win basketball games, so you'll have to explain that one further.

It's like saying "Nic Batum is the starting SF on this team and he's only shooting 20% from 3pt range, we have a great record so that proves it doesn't matter if your SF can't shoot 3s".
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The Clutch % was a graphic used on NBA.com TV. Aldridge leads at 56.7% while Conley was 55.8%.

As for my response... You are cherry picking stats to confirm a hate on Aldridge, when he's the player our team gives most shots to and we are #2 in the entire league.

And what's this you using Batum's struggles while we are debating Aldridge here? Batum shoots 5 shots a game to Aldridge's 18?! We use Aldridge more than any other player on this team, so giving me Batum as some argument is a lame attempt and response.

I agree, Lillard has roughly the same usage, and is way more efficient, but it was no surprise how Lillard's efficiency went down when Aldridge was out.

So using the entire picture instead of some cherry picking stats will give you Aldridge's value. And since he's the highest usage, top rebounder, top tier blocks and highest clutch FG% in clutch, and leading the team with the 2nd best record in the league; trumps your silly 10-15ft efficiency argument.
 
julius said:
Same with Ginobili, Parker and Hawaii Leonard. Granted, Parker and Meyers Leonard have both missed games, their average minutes are all up. And Gino is reverting back to his 2013 status, where he looks like he should retire or take a month off.
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.........????

I think I know what you meant, but it doesn't make this any less funny.
 
chris_in_pdx said:
Shaq immediately scoffed. He just kept saying "SPURS" anytime he had a chance.
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I watched it on NBATV late last night. Shaq was actually implying GS because he said something about how it should be the guy with the best record.
 
magnifier661 said:
The Clutch % was a graphic used on NBA.com TV. Aldridge leads at 56.7% while Conley was 55.8%.

As for my response... You are cherry picking stats to confirm a hate on Aldridge, when he's the player our team gives most shots to and we are #2 in the entire league.

And what's this you using Batum's struggles while we are debating Aldridge here? Batum shoots 5 shots a game to Aldridge's 18?! We use Aldridge more than any other player on this team, so giving me Batum as some argument is a lame attempt and response.

I agree, Lillard has roughly the same usage, and is way more efficient, but it was no surprise how Lillard's efficiency went down when Aldridge was out.

So using the entire picture instead of some cherry picking stats will give you Aldridge's value. And since he's the highest usage, top rebounder, top tier blocks and highest clutch FG% in clutch, and leading the team with the 2nd best record in the league; trumps your silly 10-15ft efficiency argument.
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I'm cherry picking stats? What stats am I missing? A teams winning percentage is not a player statistic. If you're going to use our winning percentage to attempt to white-wash LAs poor shooting, it's the exact same logic as using our winning percentage to whitewash Batum's poor 3pt shooting. That's not even an analogy, it's exactly the same thing. The fact that LA shoots more than Batum only means it's a bigger problem.

True Shooting percentage is a stat that takes all shots, including FTs into account, so as to not just pick on his poor mid-range shooting. How does he stack up against other qualified PFs in the league? He's ranked 52 out of 73.

If you look at rebound rate among qualified PFs, he's ranked 23 out of 77. Which is good but not elite.

I don't hate LaMarcus, I said he was a pretty good defender and solid rebounder. I just don't like how he puts up so many bad shots.

Just think about how Portland's defense is DESIGNED to give up the mid range shot. They do this because it's by nature the least efficient shot, so why does LA take more of that kind of shot than any other? If he were hitting at the same rate as Bosh, Durant, Nowitski, there would be no problem, but he doesn't.
 
Sinobas said:
I'm cherry picking stats? What stats am I missing? A teams winning percentage is not a player statistic. If you're going to use our winning percentage to attempt to white-wash LAs poor shooting, it's the exact same logic as using our winning percentage to whitewash Batum's poor 3pt shooting. That's not even an analogy, it's exactly the same thing. The fact that LA shoots more than Batum only means it's a bigger problem.

True Shooting percentage is a stat that takes all shots, including FTs into account, so as to not just pick on his poor mid-range shooting. How does he stack up against other qualified PFs in the league? He's ranked 52 out of 73.

If you look at rebound rate among qualified PFs, he's ranked 23 out of 77. Which is good but not elite.

I don't hate LaMarcus, I said he was a pretty good defender and solid rebounder. I just don't like how he puts up so many bad shots.

Just think about how Portland's defense is DESIGNED to give up the mid range shot. They do this because it's by nature the least efficient shot, so why does LA take more of that kind of shot than any other? If he were hitting at the same rate as Bosh, Durant, Nowitski, there would be no problem, but he doesn't.
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What else would you call it?! You post this shit with our team having the 2nd best record in the league, and LaMonster being a pivotal reason why. If we were undefeated, I wouldn't be surprised if you still complained about LA.

The usage and record definitely go hand in hand with an individual performance. Here are plenty more for you, since you still aren't satisfied.

Aldridge has a PER of 22.0 and a usage of 29.4. The fact that he is relied on so much.

When games are decided by 5 or less, he has the highest FG% on the team.

The biggest "individual" stat would be the Production Stat differential. Aldridge has a +10.4, almost 4 more than Lillard. http://www.82games.com/1415/1415POR.HTM

Now look at his "Clutch Win%" of 63.6% http://www.82games.com/1415/14POR12.HTM

Compare that to Lillard "Mr. Clutch" at 63.6% http://www.82games.com/1415/14POR2.HTM

So if you believe Lillard is Clutch, then your argument against Aldridge not being clutch is seriously flawed.
 
And let's add that Aldridge's "Clutch Defense" is 87.4 and his "Clutch Offense" is at 105.1. That's a net rating of 17.8! 17.8?!?!?!?!

Lillard is "Clutch Defense" is 90.3 and his "Clutch Offense" is at 107.8. That's a net rating of 17.4! 17.4?!?!?!?!

So what we should be praising is "how lucky we are to have Lillard and Aldridge as our superstars". Both are equally clutch offensively and defensively!

I'm tired of these negative nancy bitch fest about the players that are winning games for us.
 
magnifier661 said:
And let's add that Aldridge's "Clutch Defense" is 87.4 and his "Clutch Offense" is at 105.1. That's a net rating of 17.8! 17.8?!?!?!?!

Lillard is "Clutch Defense" is 90.3 and his "Clutch Offense" is at 107.8. That's a net rating of 17.4! 17.4?!?!?!?!

So what we should be praising is "how lucky we are to have Lillard and Aldridge as our superstars". Both are equally clutch offensively and defensively!

I'm tired of these negative nancy bitch fest about the players that are winning games for us.
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Holy crap that O/D differential is BANANAS!
 
magnifier661 said:
What else would you call it?! You post this shit with our team having the 2nd best record in the league, and LaMonster being a pivotal reason why. If we were undefeated, I wouldn't be surprised if you still complained about LA.

The usage and record definitely go hand in hand with an individual performance. Here are plenty more for you, since you still aren't satisfied.

Aldridge has a PER of 22.0 and a usage of 29.4. The fact that he is relied on so much.

When games are decided by 5 or less, he has the highest FG% on the team.

The biggest "individual" stat would be the Production Stat differential. Aldridge has a +10.4, almost 4 more than Lillard. http://www.82games.com/1415/1415POR.HTM

Now look at his "Clutch Win%" of 63.6% http://www.82games.com/1415/14POR12.HTM

Compare that to Lillard "Mr. Clutch" at 63.6% http://www.82games.com/1415/14POR2.HTM

So if you believe Lillard is Clutch, then your argument against Aldridge not being clutch is seriously flawed.
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The facts are the facts. If we were a terrible team, I'd be more likely to give LA a pass for putting up such a large volume of bad shots. But since he's surrounded by quality talent, there is even less of a reason for him to do so.

The Clutch win % stat is a team stat. That's why Damian and LA would have the same %, the Blazers usually close out games with their starters on the floor.

The table down below apparantly shows his shooting percentages in those situations, but that's probably a pretty small sample size. His jumper is even worse during that stretch at 38.5%. Now it does indicate that he takes a higher portion of shots inside in the clutch, and that he is shooting 100%. If that is the case, great, go inside more all game! That's exactly what I'm asking for.

The same site lists Damian's clutch jumper as 16%. I don't really trust that....if it's accurate it must be too small of a sample size to be worth much. Now THAT is a good example of cherry picking data, I'm looking at the overall shooting percentage.
 
Sinobas said:
The facts are the facts. If we were a terrible team, I'd be more likely to give LA a pass for putting up such a large volume of bad shots.
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That's a lie; when we WERE a terrible team, you blamed it on LA for taking "such a large volume of bad shots."
 
Sinobas said:
The facts are the facts. If we were a terrible team, I'd be more likely to give LA a pass for putting up such a large volume of bad shots. But since he's surrounded by quality talent, there is even less of a reason for him to do so.

The Clutch win % stat is a team stat. That's why Damian and LA would have the same %, the Blazers usually close out games with their starters on the floor.

The table down below apparantly shows his shooting percentages in those situations, but that's probably a pretty small sample size. His jumper is even worse during that stretch at 38.5%. Now it does indicate that he takes a higher portion of shots inside in the clutch, and that he is shooting 100%. If that is the case, great, go inside more all game! That's exactly what I'm asking for.

The same site lists Damian's clutch jumper as 16%. I don't really trust that....if it's accurate it must be too small of a sample size to be worth much. Now THAT is a good example of cherry picking data, I'm looking at the overall shooting percentage.
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Bro, you've been jumping on Aldridge since he came into this league... Whatever the case, you are just looking fucking silly for saying anything negative when our team is the 2nd best in the league. But every group has a rotten apple in the bunch. The one guy that will never be satisfied and needs to complain to stay alive.
 
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