OT Baseball and Football Coming to Portland?

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kjironman1 said:
Those are all nice mock up pictures but not one of them have a covered type stadium. Baseball in Portland would need a roof.
I've read many times that Portland has fewer rain days during the baseball season than just about every major league city. Summers here are perfect for baseball.

Now, the World Series games in October might be a slightly different matter, IDK.

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Ain't gonna happen next to the Moda center unless huge changes are made.

You're not dreaming big enough. This one has the view facing toward Mt. Hood:
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It would be a shame to play baseball indoors in Oregon during our brief and glorious summer. Seriously, no one would come. And I don't think the number of rain days would justify the cost of a retractable roof.
 
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IIRC, Portland is warmer and drier than SEA, so not quite apples-to-apples, but I don't know that a roof is required:

While Seattle is notoriously known for “always raining”, the roof has actually been open in 78% of games played (985 of 1262). It has been closed (or moved during a game) roughly 22% of the time. The record for most games played in the open air is 71 (out of 81 home games) in 2006 and 2012.

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IIRC, Portland is warmer and drier than SEA, so not quite apples-to-apples, but I don't know that a roof is required:

While Seattle is notoriously known for “always raining”, the roof has actually been open in 78% of games played (985 of 1262). It has been closed (or moved during a game) roughly 22% of the time. The record for most games played in the open air is 71 (out of 81 home games) in 2006 and 2012.

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That is not really a good graph to make your point. 22% of the games would have to be made up at the end of the season or crunched in to other non travel days off. Double headers maybe? Even if your assumption that it is drier here and it goes down to say 18%? It's way too much. Portland would be absolutely stupid to build a stadium without a roof system. I mean come on??? We are talking about April, May and the Beginning of June. How many years have you lived here? Now how many times have you waited until 4th of July before it stopped raining?
 
That is not really a good graph to make your point. 22% of the games would have to be made up at the end of the season or crunched in to other non travel days off. Double headers maybe? Even if your assumption that it is drier here and it goes down to say 18%? It's way too much. Portland would be absolutely stupid to build a stadium without a roof system. I mean come on??? We are talking about April, May and the Beginning of June. How many years have you lived here? Now how many times have you waited until 4th of July before it stopped raining?
Just because the roof is closed doesn't necessarily equate to a rain out....
 
I still don't believe the city/county/state should pay A RED CENT for any of this though. Billionaire owner groups are just that, billionaires. Pay for your own shit.
This is the thinking why it will never happen
 
So you like rain outs?

Portland would have had fewer rainouts than many other cities that don't currently have a roof or retractable roof.
 
Probability of rain on average for Portland
April 1st ( about opening day) 47%,
May 1st it will have dropped to 33%
June 1st 29%
July 1st 14%
August 1st 4%
September 1st 12%
October 1st 25%
November 1st 48%

The thing to keep in mind is a lot of our rain at those times is scattered showers. So it's more likely a rain delay here or there.
 
That is not really a good graph to make your point. 22% of the games would have to be made up at the end of the season or crunched in to other non travel days off. Double headers maybe? Even if your assumption that it is drier here and it goes down to say 18%? It's way too much. Portland would be absolutely stupid to build a stadium without a roof system. I mean come on??? We are talking about April, May and the Beginning of June. How many years have you lived here? Now how many times have you waited until 4th of July before it stopped raining?

I've lived here all my life and this holds true:
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Those are all nice mock up pictures but not one of them have a covered type stadium. Baseball in Portland would need a roof.
May be ideal, but I remember years ago....when we were going through this BS, that if we had the same home schedule as the Mariners, we would be rained out like 8 games.

Comfort, however, is a whole different discussion
 
Just put the stadium down here in Oregon's city of sunshine. We don't get any rain down here!
 
Let's compare to Denver who has an open roof...
1st day of each month
April 18%
May 25%
June 26%
July 23%
Aug 29%
Sep 21%
Oct 13%
Nov 12%
 
Probability of rain on average for Portland
April 1st ( about opening day) 47%,
May 1st it will have dropped to 33%
June 1st 29%
July 1st 14%
August 1st 4%
September 1st 12%
October 1st 25%
November 1st 48%

The thing to keep in mind is a lot of our rain at those times is scattered showers. So it's more likely a rain delay here or there.
Again these are really really bad stats when you are talking about an average of nearly 40% into June. We are talking about 40 games into the season.
This conversation is useless if you can't see there needs to be a roof on the stadium. That is your opinion. Mine simply differs and there is no way i would vote for any tax on a stadium that didn't have a retractable roof so it could also be used in the winter months for other types of venues as well.
 
That is not really a good graph to make your point. 22% of the games would have to be made up at the end of the season or crunched in to other non travel days off. Double headers maybe? Even if your assumption that it is drier here and it goes down to say 18%? It's way too much. Portland would be absolutely stupid to build a stadium without a roof system.
No, it says that only 22% of games even reached a point where they decided that maybe the roof should be shut. Even in the middle of a game. It didn't say that it closed for rain that never materialized, or that there were high winds, or low temps or high temps (which wouldn't stop a game anyway, but if you have a roof, great!).

Phrased differently, only once in every 5 games was there even a remote chance that there would be rain, low temperatures, high temperatures, high wind, or lightning. That means, over the course of a season, 16 games where there's even a remote chance of having a delay or postponement. And if you don't have a roof, no one cares about playing in light rain, high wind, cold, heat, etc. The game goes on. Even in heavy rain, delays are preferred to the postponement. The most postponed-team in the majors this year was WAS, with 5. CLE, BOS, CHI/CHW, NYY, etc just play through stuff.

to me, in POR's fiscal and political environment, spending an extra $250M or so on a stadium to get maybe 5 games' worth of non-postponement seems like a non-starter. I love the concept of a roof, and would want one if I was a billionaire building a stadium, but this is a nice-to-have, not a gotta-have, for MLB in PDX
 
Again these are really really bad stats when you are talking about an average of nearly 40% into June. We are talking about 40 games into the season.
This conversation is useless if you can't see there needs to be a roof on the stadium. That is your opinion. Mine simply differs and there is no way i would vote for any tax on a stadium that didn't have a retractable roof so it could also be used in the winter months for other types of venues as well.
Explain how 29%, the highest probability in June on the 1st day, is almost 40% into June.... When it drops to 14% by the end of the month.

And to take it another step... 40 games into the season equates to average of 20 at home so at let's say average of 35% chance April +May there might be 7 game days affected by rain at all... Again that doesn't mean a rain out because that 35% might be a shower in the morning and nothing by game time.
 
Again these are really really bad stats when you are talking about an average of nearly 40% into June. We are talking about 40 games into the season.
This conversation is useless if you can't see there needs to be a roof on the stadium. That is your opinion. Mine simply differs and there is no way i would vote for any tax on a stadium that didn't have a retractable roof so it could also be used in the winter months for other types of venues as well.
What winter events are you expecting would be there? The only thing SafeCo does outside baseball season are the occasional CFB Bowl Game or soccer game (before Seahawks Stadium was built), which wouldn't need a roof anyway, and Wrestlemania once. They don't have concerts or monster truck rallies or anything there. In fact, this winter they're completely resodding and re-dirting the field.
 
Now how many times have you waited until 4th of July before it stopped raining?

It doesn't rain in Portland. It does everything but:
  • Drizzle
  • Mist
  • sprinkle
  • light showers etc.
It does this MUCH more than actually rain.
 
Explain how 29%, the highest probability in June on the 1st day, is almost 40% into June.... When it drops to 14% by the end of the month.
You went from 47% to 29% over two months. Essentially 40%... Okay 38% average.
 
MM brings up a good point, though, in terms of fan comfort. If you had a chance to build a top-of-the-line-ish stadium in a small market, maybe you do want to worry about fan comfort.
Then again, how much do the TImbers fans care about rain (legit question...never been to a match)?
 
You went from 47% to 29% over two months. Essentially 40%... Okay 38% average.
40 games into the season equates to average of 20 at home so at let's say average of 38% chance April +May there might be 7.5 game days affected by rain at all... Again that doesn't mean a rain out because that 35% might be a shower in the morning and nothing by game time.
 
What winter events are you expecting would be there? The only thing SafeCo does outside baseball season are the occasional CFB Bowl Game or soccer game (before Seahawks Stadium was built), which wouldn't need a roof anyway, and Wrestlemania once. They don't have concerts or monster truck rallies or anything there. In fact, this winter they're completely resodding and re-dirting the field.
Why wouldn't we want more events there? Are you saying you don't want them there? Why is this even a point?
If there is a roof then the CAN have events there. That was the point.
 

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