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Grizzlies win 105-93, but Sergio was stellar. 8 points, TEN assists, 4 rbs, a steal and +4 in 22 mins. Bayless gets 4 pts, 1 assist, 1 steal, 1 rb and -16(!) in 22 mins.
Rudy and Sergio combine for 24 points, 14 assists, 6 rebounds, 5 steals, 4 tos, 8-20 shooting. Zach gets 12 points, 6 boards and ***6*** assists (what happened to him?) in 34 mins. Oh, and was +14. (Marc Gasol was +26 in 34 mins with 16 points, 16 boards and 6 assists. The best Spaniard on the court.)
 
Attendance 10,242. They should have played the game in Portland with the same teams. Better, make it Real Madrid vs the Blazers.
 
Why is it that we don't play European teams in the preseason? We have former ACB and Euroleague players on our team in Nic/Vic/Joel. And we have a history with established players like Rudy and Sergio. We should play against the likes of Real Madrid too.
 
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yuyuza1 said:
Why is it that we don't play European teams in the preseason? We have former ACB and Euroleague players on our team in Nic/Vic/Joel. And we have a history with established players like Rudy and Sergio. We should play against the likes of Real Madrid too.
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Be glad we're not. How embarrassing would it be for Sergio and Rudy to put on a show against us?
 
I think it would be really fun to see them play our current team even if they dominate. They're playing in TOR tonight, who have Calderon, Valanciunas, Kleiza, and Bargs as the token Euro players. I wonder what the criteria was for choosing these teams like BOS, DAL, MEM, TOR, etc to play against Euro teams.
 
Sergio is still a better PG than anyone we've had since.
 
yuyuza1 said:
I think it would be really fun to see them play our current team even if they dominate. They're playing in TOR tonight, who have Calderon, Valanciunas, Kleiza, and Bargs as the token Euro players. I wonder what the criteria was for choosing these teams like BOS, DAL, MEM, TOR, etc to play against Euro teams.
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Boston: dunno. Darko? The NBA wants to promote its product so it has to send one well-known franchise.
Dallas: duh, they played Berlin, so I'll give you one guess.
Memphis: Marc Gasol!
Toronto: Most of Toronto's team is non-US.
 
Why are we talking about either of those scrubs? We got Lillard as the PGOTF.
 
westnob said:
Don't you ever wonder what that train wreck of an Ex is up to now?
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I try and erase my memory of how bad they were as Blazers. When none of them can stick on a team anywhere else it only proves my point that they were scrubs.
 
Like Rudy, Sergio left the NBA voluntarily to star on Spain's glory team. Like Steve Blake, Sergio's quality level is a solid NBA sub who can start if need be. Sergio had historic assists per minute here as a rookie.

bkref.com/tiny/6zDYn
 
jlprk said:
Like Rudy, Sergio left the NBA voluntarily to star on Spain's glory team.
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Interesting... So, being a back-up who plays 18MPG and averages 6 points and 3 assists makes one a star in Europe. No wonder Sergio prefers the glory of playing in Europe. He put up similar stats in the NBA and was considered a scrub and a third string PG on one of the worst teams in the league. Perhaps you are confusing this Sergio with the other one (Sergio Llull) who actually starts at PG for Real Madrid and just signed a six year contract extension.

jlprk said:
Sergio had historic assists per minute here as a rookie.
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Unfortunately, he also played historically non-existent defense, shot historically poorly and turned the ball over at a historically high rate. As awful as Fatty Felton was last season (statistically, his worst), his assist/TO ratio last season (2.32:1) was actually better than Sergio's career average (2.23:1) - and passing is Sergio's one, and only strength.

Those are the reasons he's no longer in the NBA, not some vain pursuit of stardom and glory as the second best PG named Sergio in the second best league in the world.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
Interesting... So, being a back-up who plays 18MPG and averages 6 points and 3 assists makes one a star in Europe. No wonder Sergio prefers the glory of playing in Europe. He put up similar stats in the NBA and was considered a scrub and a third string PG on one of the worst teams in the league. Perhaps you are confusing this Sergio with the other one (Sergio Llull) who actually starts at PG for Real Madrid and just signed a six year contract extension.



Unfortunately, he also played historically non-existent defense, shot historically poorly and turned the ball over at a historically high rate. As awful as Fatty Felton was last season (statistically, his worst), his assist/TO ratio last season (2.32:1) was actually better than Sergio's career average (2.23:1) - and passing is Sergio's one, and only strength.

Those are the reasons he's no longer in the NBA, not some vain pursuit of stardom and glory as the second best PG named Sergio in the second best league in the world.

BNM
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To be fair, Sergio has another strength - playing the game in slow motion.
 
Denny Crane said:
To be fair, Sergio has another strength - playing the game in slow motion.
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I kinda lump that under: "historically non-existent defense" since it looks like his feet are set in concrete when he tries to play defense.

BNM
 
Nothing you said changes the fact that Sergio was our best rookie passer in Blazer history.

http://www.bkref.com/tiny/6zDYn

After we traded him to the Kings, they traded him to the Knicks. The same King geniuses later cut Hickson for no reason, giving us one of our top players for free. Joining the Knicks late in the season, Sergio slowly took Chris Duhon's minutes. He seemed to be about Duhon's equal. That summer, Orlando signed Duhon for $14M for 4 years, an approximation of Sergio's worth. Sergio quit the Knicks that summer (they didn't cut him, he was still on the roster) to go to Real Madrid, where he splits time with Llull. The two Sergios were drafted 27 and 34, and are about as equal as you can get.

I'm sure you'll respond with your usual sarcastic snickers toward everybody.
 
jlprk said:
After we traded him to the Kings...
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So, what happened there? Weren't you the one who claimed it was a great move for Sergio, that Paul Westphal would be Sergio's Frank Layden and turn him into the next John Stockton racking up 1000 assists per season? For the record, Sergio finished his 4-year NBA career with a grand total of 839 assists. His career best was 286 assists in his final year in Portland. Westphal wasn't his savior (he couldn't even get off the bench as the 3rd best PG on one of the worst teams in the league). Nether was Mike D'Antoni.

jlprk said:
Joining the Knicks late in the season, Sergio slowly took Chris Duhon's minutes.
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Tell you what, I'll layoff the sarcastic comments of you stop trying to rewrite history. The fact is, Sergio didn't slowly take Duhon's minutes. He was immediately given Duhon's minutes and was handed the starting role. Duhon sucked, was an expiring contract and the Knicks had no intention of resigning him. The Knicks were lottery bound and desperately searching for their PGotF, but they found out quickly it wasn't Sergio.

jlprk said:
He seemed to be about Duhon's equal.
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Wow, you say that like it's a good thing. Talk about damning with faint praise. Duhon sucked and Sergio was just as bad. As a starter, Duhon averaged 7.8ppg and 6.0apg. As a starter, Sergio averaged 9.0ppg an 4.1apg. Duhon had a PER = 10.7, Sergio's PER as a Knick was 12.8. Duhon had a WS/48 of .045. Sergio's WS/48 was an even more anemic .033. Sergio also turned the ball over at his usual alarming rate (TOV% = 24.0, compared to Duhon's 18.2 TOV%).

After 8 games as a starter, Sergio lost the starting role to rookie Toney Douglas who outplayed both Duhon and Sergio. Douglas averaged 14.5ppg, 3.8apg as a starter and had a PER = 14.9. He also had a WS/48 of .097, nearly 3x Sergio's .033. He also did two things Sergio never mastered in his 4-year NBA career. He shot well from 3-point range (0.424 3FG% as a starter) and took care of the ball. His TOV% was 11.6. So, as a rookie, running the exact same offense, with the exact same coach and exact same teammates, Douglas turned the ball over less than half as often as 4-year veteran Sergio.

As a result, the Knicks kept Douglas and never even attempted to resign Sergio or Duhon. And, that pretty sums up Sergio's NBA career. Even in a fast paced system with a coach that doesn't care about defense, a system tailor-made to Sergio's game, he couldn't beat out an unheralded rookie.

So, back to Europe where he belongs, he just isn't an NBA caliber talent. He had too many flaws in his game (no defense, poor outside shooting, horrendous turnover rate) that were easily exploited. He had the exact weaknesses at the end of his 4th season as he had at the beginning of his rookie year. Which is why I correctly predicted that Sergio would be out of the league as soon as his rookie contract expired. You, on the other hand, predicted he'd be the next John Stockton racking up over 1000 assists per season. Still want to keep up this pointless argument? The league has spoken, three different coaches have spoken. Sergio Rodriguez just doesn't belong on an NBA roster. His game is far too flawed and he never improved his glaring weaknesses.

BNM
 
Find a post in which I seriously said that Sergio is another Stockton. (You may find one where I joked about it, and you're unskilled at such distinctions.)

You always say that he isn't good enough to be in the NBA, yet you now say that it's bad that he's the equal of Duhon, who we all know has lasted many years in the league. From those contradictory facts, I conclude that you think that anyone who isn't another Stockton doesn't belong in the NBA.
 
jlprk said:
Find a post in which I seriously said that Sergio is another Stockton.
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Here. You also said he'd start under Westphal and get 1000 assists per season.

Let's face facts. Sergio is no longer in the NBA because he's not an NBA caliber talent. He has way too many holes in is game (poor outside shooting, poor defense and alarmingly high TO rate) that are easily exploited by NBA players. If he was good enough to be playing in the NBA, he would be. His last season in the NBA, he played for two of the worst teams in the league and neither team wanted him back. Be happy for him. He's back home, "starring" as the back-up PG for the local team averaging 6 point and 3 assists. I'm sure he's happier there than he was being a second/third string PG on crappy, lottery-bound NBA teams. So, good for him.

BNM
 
Maybe Westphal is Sergio's Frank Layden, who will mold the system around him like Layden did.
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That's what I said. From that, you say I said that Sergio is as good as Stockton. What if I had said this?

Boob might start his own business like Bill Gates did.
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...then you would have hounded me for 3 years, claiming I had said that you're as good as Bill Gates.

You keep repeating that if someone is good enough to be in the NBA, they are. That is obviously not necessarily true.
 
If you can't tell someone's joking when he predicts Sergio will get 1000 assists with a bad chemistry team that misses most shots, then read it again. I was pulling for Sergio, but the post is obviously over the top.
 
I remember I posted this once. Sergio's rookie assists per 36 minutes rank him higher than every NBA Hall of Famer except one.

10.1 John Stockton
9.1 Sergio Rodriguez
8.4 Isiah Thomas
8.2 Oscar Robertson
7.3 Magic Johnson
...etc.

http://bkref.com/tiny/IWWhS

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rodrise01.html

See? I didn't say he's better than Stockton, just all other Hall of Famers.

Anyway, McMillan's system sucked for optimizing either Sergio or Rudy.
 
Bayless hasn't improved his 'game' in any area.

Why Memphis would sign him when they have a better player at his position already (Josh Selby) is confusing.
 
jlprk said:
If you can't tell someone's joking when he predicts Sergio will get 1000 assists with a bad chemistry team that misses most shots, then read it again. I was pulling for Sergio, but the post is obviously over the top.
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I assume everything you post about Sergio is a joke. No one who has ever seen him play could take any of that nonsense seriously.

BNM
 
I'm not joking when I disagree with you over whether he's good enough to be in the NBA. Out of 400 players, he's far from the bottom. He is a way above passer, by NBA standards. But he's much farther from the top, because of defense. I AM joking when I compare him to superstars in order to counter your belittling this very entertaining player.
 
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