Batum trade revisited

[Pinwheel1]

sorry, no it's not. Portland was lowballing him in a big way.

anyone have anything real?

STOMP

Were they low balling him or did his agent find 1 GM who was willing to over pay for him. His comments at the time were pretty clear that he didn't want us to match. But that is all water under the bridge. Sounds like he changed his mind once he came back.

So if he loves Portland, we should be in the running for him this summer.....assuming we offer him what he and his agent want....Max Money.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

care to offer any reasoning at all for being so completely sure? The only poster here who actually knows him (JL) says he loves Portland and he did immediately take to every social media thanking PDX for his time. I'm not saying he wouldn't have left in FA, but I've no reason to think it was a certainty.

STOMP

He's going to be offered a max deal by some team this offseason; perhaps by several teams. On this team, I don't see him as a max player, and I don't think NO or PA did either. So it stands to reason that he'd go elsewhere. Call it "lowballing" if you will, but I've never seen his contributions as really being commensurate with his salary, and certainly not with a max salary.

 

[Orion Bailey]

sorry, no it's not. Portland was lowballing him in a big way.

anyone have anything real?

STOMP

Maybe to you, but to the majority of us, it seems fairly obvious. Read below.

Were they low balling him or did his agent find 1 GM who was willing to over pay for him. His comments at the time were pretty clear that he didn't want us to match. But that is all water under the bridge. Sounds like he changed his mind once he came back.

So if he loves Portland, we should be in the running for him this summer.....assuming we offer him what he and his agent want....Max Money.

That situation stunk and got messy real quick. Yes, there is a thing about letting your agent make you your money, but if a player really wants to be in a city, then you have your agent deal as such. He let is agent play us and we ended up giving him a few mill more than he was worth because of it.
I'm sorry, but that's a huge hint that he isn't loyal and could easily bolt when a free agent.
This is very real

 

[STOMP]

Were they low balling him or did his agent find 1 GM who was willing to over pay for him.

it was reported Portland was offering an extension averaging 5M per year, which was average NBA player dollars at the time. The TPups offer sheet he signed was (in retrospect) slightly above average front court starter dollars. So to answer your question, maybe some of both

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8...erwolves-submit-46m-offer-sheet-nicolas-batum

He's going to be offered a max deal by some team this offseason; perhaps by several teams.

I'm sure this thread will be bumped when he does sign, but put me down for no way in the world that happens.

Like last time he'll sign for starter dollars.

STOMP

 

[STOMP]

Maybe to you, but to the majority of us, it seems fairly obvious. Read below.

LOL! @you think you're speaking for the masses when 1 single poster opens the door to the possibility that you could be right

STOMP

 

[Orion Bailey]

LOL! @you think you're speaking for the masses

STOMP

Hmm care to quote those who agree with you? I've already quoted someone who didn't...

Keep laughing... hahaha

 

[STOMP]

So if he loves Portland, we should be in the running for him this summer.....assuming we offer him what he and his agent want....Max Money.

as a small part of my next work contract, I (acting as my own agent) want exclusive use of Timberline Lodge. If no one offers me that I may be willing to settle for less.

STOMP

 

[B-Roy]

The Timberwolves have offered as many as three future first-round draft picks and even have dangled small forward Derrick Williams, the No. 2 pick in the 2011 draft.

I remember the 3 picks offer. Does anyone remember which picks they were? I believe at the time the Wolves owned quite a few random first rounders.

 

[STOMP]

Hmm care to quote those who agree with you? I've already quoted someone who didn't...

except he didn't disagree with me silly.

Keep laughing... hahaha

keep bringing the funnies

STOMP

 

[Schilly]

Hey remember when Nic Batum was a 20yo starter for us and gave us 5.4pts and 2.8reb in 18mpg... Now we have a 20 who has started much of the season and given us 3.6pts and 3.9reb in 14 mpg.

 

[Draco]

nice strawman. No one will be paying Nic anything close to that and no one has contended that the Blazers should

Batum is one of the top free agents; he will certainly get the max which starts at ~$25mil

 

[Orion Bailey]

except he didn't disagree with me silly.


keep bringing the funnies

STOMP

He certainly didnt agree with you, he questioned you.

Listen you may very well think Nic is LOYAL to us for whatever reason, but the facts of history prove otherwise.
If he was, he wouldn't have played for France last summer, knowing full well it fatigues him. Portland has never been his #1 priority while here. What makes you think he is loyal other than his departing message? He played us for more money. He played summer league knowing it would affect his game for the team that actually PAYS him. He was never loyal.

End game.

 

[Draco]

it was reported Portland was offering an extension averaging 5M per year, which was average NBA player dollars at the time. The TPups offer sheet he signed was (in retrospect) slightly above average front court starter dollars. So to answer your question, maybe some of both

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8...erwolves-submit-46m-offer-sheet-nicolas-batum


I'm sure this thread will be bumped when he does sign, but put me down for no way in the world that happens.

Like last time he'll sign for starter dollars.

STOMP

There's over 32 max contract slots available this summer. It's a lock Batum signs for the max.

I expect he stays in Charlotte and cashes in $158 million.

 

[GriLtCheeZ]

Don't forget about his HUGE HANDS!

Yeah, you know what that means.....it means that people who hate on 20 year olds are huge dicks!

 

[B-Roy]

There's over 32 max contract slots available this summer. It's a lock Batum signs for the max.

I expect he stays in Charlotte and cashes in $158 million.

Do you have a link to the 32 max contract slots? Just curious who were bidding against this year.

 

[blue9]

There's over 32 max contract slots available this summer.

Just because there is enough collective cap room to sign that many max contracts doesn't mean that many will be given out. I'll be shocked if more than 10 UFA max contracts are signed this summer - even 10 would be too many, but this is the NBA.

 

[42N8Bounce]

Considering Batum was constantly bashed for it, I'd be curious to see statistically just how "consistent" Aminu is. He has the occasional good game, but it sure seems like he has a lot of 4 point 6 point 8 point games too.

Batum has averaged 15.07 ppg this year, with a standard deviation of 5.70 (37.8%).
Aminu has averaged 10.23 ppg this year, with a standard deviation of 3.99 (39.0%).

Scoring wise, technically Batum is more 'consistent' than Aminu by a small margin. But both these guys are pretty inconsistent for being starters though. In comparison, Dame is within 26.0% of his scoring average, and CJ is within 23.5%.

 

[Pinwheel1]

it was reported Portland was offering an extension averaging 5M per year, which was average NBA player dollars at the time. The TPups offer sheet he signed was (in retrospect) slightly above average front court starter dollars. So to answer your question, maybe some of both

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8...erwolves-submit-46m-offer-sheet-nicolas-batum

STOMP

As I recall the Blazers offered him the low ball extension before the season started. I believe the deadline is and was October 31st.
Nic, as I remember, had a good season and drove his value up. The Blazers offered him closer to 9 per year at the end of the season.
If he or his agent was offended by the initial offer, than that just goes to show you how difficult it will be again this summer. ...... If he has the same guy running the show. (Which I have no idea if he does)

 

[Rastapopoulos]

We should have kept Batum so we could pay him 26mil' a year? you MUST be joking.

He has yet to be a free agent. NOBODY has paid him big bucks yet. So talking about that when we're talking about the year that has passed is a red herring.

 

[STOMP]

He certainly didnt agree with you, he questioned you.

Listen you may very well think Nic is LOYAL to us for whatever reason, but the facts of history prove otherwise.

this is getting more and more ridiculous. Pinwheel didn't disagree with me (as you claimed earlier... which amazingly metamorphosed into claims of speaking for the masses), he explored the subject with a question which I responded to with even more context. He certainly never agreed with you.

I don't think & have never claimed that Nic was LOYAL. I've acknowledged that I don't know him or what he's thinking in countering another poster who somehow is sure of his intentions despite offering zero reasoning. I suspect that like most people Nic would like to be fairly compensated for his work. In the NBA that value is determined by the market, just like last time for him. All things being the same, I've no reason to think he'd be more (or less) open to an offer from the Blazers.

Can't wait for the next round of convolutions.

STOMP

 

[Orion Bailey]

you are getting more and more ridiculous. Pinwheel didn't disagree with me (as you claimed earlier... which amazingly metamorphosed into claims of speaking for the masses), he explored the subject with a question which I responded to with even more context. He certainly never agreed with you.

I don't think & have never claimed that Nic was LOYAL. I've acknowledged that I don't know him or what he's thinking in countering another poster who somehow is sure of his intentions despite offering zero reasoning. I suspect that like most people Nic would like to be fairly compensated for his work. In the NBA that value is determined by the market. All things being the same, I've no reason to think he'd be more (or less) open to an offer from the Blazers.

Can't wait for your next round of convolutions.

STOMP

I offered it. You laughed it off.
Your choice not to listen to reason and be delusional about the situation. Just tiring of point out the obvious to someone who needs help from captain obvious. Yes, I sensationalized it because your opening opposition was hilarious. The reasons are glaring and have been glaring. If you chose to ignore them... that's your choice.
Again. The reasoning is there, you just failed to see the obvious that others didn't think needed to be pointed out (or at least I thought it was too obvious to have to innitially point out). So I pointed them out and you laughed them off.

Come on . Your smarter than this, even if you try to rationalize it with your above statement.

LMAO

 

[Schilly]

There us a subtle little myth about teams having the "Max" Salary Slots. Teams only have that much if they renounce their bird rights to their own free agents. Portland is a fantastic example. $46 mill in cap space if they renounce and let walk Leonard, Henderson, Harkless, Crabbe, Roberts and Kaman. So while it's awesome to say there are 32 max slots available to free agents this summer we have to remember that in order for most those teams to have the "max" salary available they will have to cut ties with their own free agents.

 

[Pinwheel1]

There us a subtle little myth about teams having the "Max" Salary Slots. Teams only have that much if they renounce their bird rights to their own free agents. Portland is a fantastic example. $46 mill in cap space if they renounce and let walk Leonard, Henderson, Harkless, Crabbe, Roberts and Kaman. So while it's awesome to say there are 32 max slots available to free agents this summer we have to remember that in order for most those teams to have the "max" salary available they will have to cut ties with their own free agents.

So lets say we keep the rights to everyone but Kaman, how much is left for a big offer?

 

[STOMP]

Hey remember when Nic Batum was a 20yo starter for us and gave us 5.4pts and 2.8reb in 18mpg... Now we have a 20 who has started much of the season and given us 3.6pts and 3.9reb in 14 mpg.

Mo is 22

STOMP

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Mo is 22

STOMP

And Noah, who he's talking about, is 20.

 

[STOMP]

I offered it. You laughed it off.

yes, you've been ridiculous throughout this thread.

STOMP

 

[STOMP]

And Noah, who he's talking about, is 20.

ah, my bad

STOMP

 

[BBert]

Batum has averaged 15.07 ppg this year, with a standard deviation of 5.70 (37.8%).
Aminu has averaged 10.23 ppg this year, with a standard deviation of 3.99 (39.0%).

Scoring wise, technically Batum is more 'consistent' than Aminu by a small margin. But both these guys are pretty inconsistent for being starters though. In comparison, Dame is within 26.0% of his scoring average, and CJ is within 23.5%.

Thanks

 

[Orion Bailey]

yes, you've been ridiculous throughout this thread.

STOMP

And you have been irrational, not acknowledging the reasoning...that usually brings out the ridiculousness in others...


Now back to the topic at hand...

Batum hasn't done any better this year than his replacements have. So basically we got younger and have more assets. Not a bad trade. Great trade... no.

Batum wore out his welcome here with inconsistent play and lack of loyalty to the team that paid him.

There is very real evidence that Nic may not want to be here and simply thanked us for PR reasons.

 

[B-Roy]

I'll just leave this here...