Batum

[KeepOnRollin]

15 points on 42% shooting is not a sign of efficiency, that's volume. The worst shooting team in the league, the Bobcats, shoot 42%. He ranks 29th in the league among small forwards in rebounds per 48(qualified only). So that's nothing to get excited about. And and getting 3 TOs for your 5 assists, again, is volume thing. That's almost a wash.


So let's review where Batum ranks among SFs:

Rebounds: 29th
FG%: 20th
3pt%: 18th
Assist/TO Ratio: 7th (not bad)
Steals per 48: 22nd
Blocks per 48: 8th

Seems very mediocre to me. And I think his "shut down defense" is a myth. Not an upper level talent.

Some of these stats aren't even right. Agenda...

 

[Sinobas]

As I specified in the post, he's 29th in rebounds per 48 minutes, for qualified players.
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/rebounds/sort/avg48Rebounds/position/small-forwards

Why on earth do you think it's odd to use per 48? Batum plays the 3rd most minutes of all small forwards, so adjusting per minutes played is the only fair way to rate efficiency. So if Batum played half as many minutes he'd be half as good?? Ok whatever.

 

[julius]

As I specified in the post, he's 29th in rebounds per 48 minutes, for qualified players.
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/rebounds/sort/avg48Rebounds/position/small-forwards

per 48 is a lame qualifier.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

As I specified in the post, he's 29th in rebounds per 48 minutes, for qualified players.
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/rebounds/sort/avg48Rebounds/position/small-forwards

Why on earth do you think it's odd to use per 48? Batum plays the 3rd most minutes of all small forwards, so adjusting per minutes played is the only fair way to rate efficiency. So if Batum played half as many minutes he'd be half as good?? Ok whatever.

What are the numbers on PER 36? That is how stat sites normalize the data. No one averages 48 minutes a game.

 

[Sinobas]

What are the numbers on PER 36? That is how stat sites normalize the data. No one averages 48 minutes a game.

So take their per 48 stats and multiply it by .75, the rankings would all come out the same.

 

[Sinobas]

per 48 is a lame qualifier.

LOL! Ok.

I agree it's not good data if you include everyone in the NBA, because you get too much garbage, but these stats are for qualified players, who have played in a certain number of minutes.

You can't honestly think a comparison of total numbers between someone who plays 38 minutes and someone who plays 29 means anything, without adjusting the stats for minutes played. Give me a break.

 

[Natebishop3]

If you add seven and carry the five, it extrapolates out to Batum being a shitty player. Don't blame me, it's science.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Interestingly, no one has brought up PER. He's 16th among Small Forwards.

9th in Value Added, 9th in EWA.

So, anyone know where he ranks in salary among those same SFs this year?

 

[Sinobas]

Batum is the 5th highest paid SF in the league right now, behind James, Pierce, Anthony and Iggy. As I said, top paid for mediocre production. Typical Blazers....

 

[Boob-No-More]

Interestingly, no one has brought up PER. He's 16th among Small Forwards.

That list is fucked up, but you probably already knew that. If you remove the guys who play less than 18 MPG (Jordan Hamilton, DeMarre Carroll and Chris Copeland) and the guys who don't actually play SF (Kenneth Faried, Thaddeus Young, Josh Smith, and Ersan Ilyasova) Batum has the 9th highest PER of NBA starting small forwards.

Here's the guys ahead of him:

LeBron James
Kevin Durant
Carmelo Anthony
Andrei Kirilenko
Paul Pierce
Paul George
Danilo Gallinari
Shawn Marion

The only player on that list that is both younger and paid less than Batum is Paul George. And he's only paid less because he's on a rookie scale contract. As soon as he's eligible for extension he'll probably be a max, or near max, contract player.

Batum is paid in line with his current performance. If anything, when you factor in age and the fact that the first year of his contract is the highest, he's a bit underpaid compared to other starting small forwards.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Batum is the 5th highest paid SF in the league right now, behind James, Pierce, Anthony and Iggy. As I said, top paid for mediocre production. Typical Blazers....

Seriously? Where the fuck did you get that list? Here's a few you forgot:

Kevin Durant (how could you forget the league's leading scorer???) - $17,548,838
Rudy Gay - $16,460,532
Rashard Lewis - $15,052,181
Luol Deng - $13,326,700
Danny Granger - $13,058,606

Throw in the four you mentioned, and Batum is the 9th highest paid small forward in the league. So he's the 9th best and the 9th highest paid. Please explain how that equates to "top paid for mediocre production".

And, he's the youngest on that list. Batum's salary actually drops to $10,920,250 next season. Other than Rashard Lewis, everyone else on that list sees a sizable salary increase next season. Richard Jefferson ($11,046,000) will also make more that Batum next season. So, not even counting any free agent signings this summer, Batum will be, at most, the 9th highest paid small forward in the league next season - and again younger than everyone making more than him. At most, he's paid fair market value compared to his peers. Given his young age, potential for improvement, and decreasing nature of his contract, he will most likely be considered a bargain for the last three seasons of his contract.

When you post a list highly paid small forwards and leave off Kevin Durant, one has to question your motives, or at least the accuracy of anything you post.

BNM

 

[THE HCP]

That list is fucked up, but you probably already knew that. If you remove the guys who play less than 18 MPG (Jordan Hamilton, DeMarre Carroll and Chris Copeland) and the guys who don't actually play SF (Kenneth Faried, Thaddeus Young, Josh Smith, and Ersan Ilyasova) Batum has the 9th highest PER of NBA starting small forwards.

Here's the guys ahead of him:

LeBron James
Kevin Durant
Carmelo Anthony
Andrei Kirilenko
Paul Pierce
Paul George
Danilo Gallinari
Shawn Marion

The only player on that list that is both younger and paid less than Batum is Paul George. And he's only paid less because he's on a rookie scale contract. As soon as he's eligible for extension he'll probably be a max, or near max, contract player.

Batum is paid in line with his current performance. If anything, when you factor in age and the fact that the first year of his contract is the highest, he's a bit underpaid compared to other starting small forwards.

BNM

This might be one of the best posts I've read on here in the past few months! Will one of you Batum haters PLEASE respond to this I dare you! If not I will continue quoting and bumping this thread til you do. No matter what thread you are replying in, I will link it to this post!