Bayless and Webster need to be moved this summer

[Crimson the Cat]

2009 Draft

James Harden - age 20 (college 49%/36% -> 39%/39%)
Tyreke Evans - age 20 (college 46%/27% -> 47%/27%)
Jonny Flynn - age 20 (college 46%/35% -> 42%/36%)
Stephen Curry - age 21 (college 45%/39% -> 46%/41%)
Brandon Jennings - age 20 (Euroleague 46%/27% -> 37%/38%)

It's worth mention, although this is skewed a bit for varying reasons, that Bayless, a year older, has a higher PER, than both Harden, Flynn, and Curry. This is sort of comparable as its each players first season of significant minutes. I'm too lazy to see exactly how many months older Bayless is to see if the age difference is important. I believe Curry is right around the same age as Bayless. Flynn's Drtg is worse than Bayless'. IMO. Curry has a slight advantage when comparing Drtg. Harden has an excellent Drtg.

Jenning's numbers in Euroleague are probably unfair to critique, given the small and inconsistent role. Jennings, a year younger has the same PER as Jerryd and a better Drtg.

Like Rose and Westbrook, Evans' poor outside shooting is translating similarly to the Pros. The rest shot well from college and are shooting well in the NBA. None here disturbs me, in relation to Jerryd. In fact, given his age, I'm glad that he is putting up better overall numbers than the majority of this year's rookies.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

I saw him live in Summer League when we drafted him and was excited by his moves to the rim. But his jumper looks identical from that summer.

But if you saw him live at UofA, where his shot regularly fell true, you'd be a believer?

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Exactly. All those guys learned by being thrown into the fire. The only team that wasn't throwing their draft pick into the fire, was the Blazers (pun fully intended!). Now look at all of those teams and where they are now. OKC passing the Blazers. Memphis creeping up on them. Charlotte has turned the corner IMO, they have plenty of talent to compete. Even look at what is going on in New Orleans with Paul out, their young guards are stepping up and getting better. They take their lumps, but they learn.

Now we are going to take our lumps. We are doing this so we can have a shot at having a higher level talent on the team. We weren't going to win jack shit in the playoffs this year anyhow, and nobody cares about all the teams that get jacked in the first and second round.

Growing pains, right. When we build through the draft, like we have, we got go through them. And it's not as Jerryd has been detrimental to our success over the season.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

That's a really, really nice improvement. I'd be shocked if there were many players in the entire league averaging over 12 mpg who saw that big of a jump.

It sure is. He nearly doubled his PER. What I'm more concerned about is on the defensive side. His shooting, it'll be just fine.

 

[Wheels]

I'm not sure it's something he can unlearn at this point.

I guess I'll have to leave that to NBA coaches to teach him. No matter how incompetent. I'll still take them teaching him how to shoot, vs you saying he cant. No offense.

 

[oldmangrouch]

So let me get this straight, you want to trade Rudy, Bayless, Webster, and Batum? Anyone else you want to trade. Fuck, we should just abolish this team and have our players go to different teams, that sounds like a stellar idea.

I get what you are saying, but lets not go overboard. None of those guys should be considered untouchable.

 

[EGame]

I get what you are saying, but lets not go overboard. None of those guys should be considered untouchable.

I agree, but at the same time, this guy isn't even given them a chance. The second they start to look bad he is as down their throats as I am with some players with my emotions during games. I have not been a huge Rudy fan as of late and if we were to trade one of them I would prefer him to be traded first, but I don't think he should be traded just for the sake of it (unless we get a stellar return). These young guys will be inconsistent, I think that is a given, they have shown great flashes, but not consistently. This guy who started the post jumps at them once they start to suck without giving them a chance at all.

 

[Cake]

UR right.

Young guys who can't shoot the three always FAIL in the NBA. Guys like...Michael Jordan, George Gervin, Charles Barkley, Shawn Marion, Carmelo Anthony, Kobe Bryant, Dirk Nowitzki, Glen Rice, Josh Smith, etc...all teh suxor!

(all 22 or younger, shot 27% or lower on more than 50 attempts)

 

[hasoos]

In a weird and twisted version of Forest Gump quotes: Young players are like a box of chocolates....you never know what you are going to get.

 

[oldmangrouch]

BTW, I know hindsight is 20/20, but I realy wish KP would have gone after Lawson on draft day. It looks like Denver may have gotten a nice steal in that trade.

In similar minutes to Bayless, he has the same scoring average, more rebounds and assists, and a *much* higher FG%.

 

[hasoos]

BTW, I know hindsight is 20/20, but I realy wish KP would have gone after Lawson on draft day. It looks like Denver may have gotten a nice steal in that trade.

In similar minutes to Bayless, he has the same scoring average, more rebounds and assists, and a *much* higher FG%.

He did. Denver outmanuvered us for him.

 

[craigehlo]

UR right.

Young guys who can't shoot the three always FAIL in the NBA. Guys like...Michael Jordan, George Gervin, Charles Barkley, Shawn Marion, Carmelo Anthony, Kobe Bryant, Dirk Nowitzki, Glen Rice, Josh Smith, etc...all teh suxor!

(all 22 or younger, shot 27% or lower on more than 50 attempts)

Those guys weren't one-dimensional, undersized shooting guards. They impacted the game in other ways. Please don't compare Bayless to any of them, it's insulting.

When Bayless doesn't score, he's a waste of space on the court since he doesn't excel in any other area.

 

[KingSpeed]

POP QUIZ... anyone remember the last time bayless hit a jumper?

He hit 5 "foot on the three point line" shots in a row in our win against the Lakers.

 

[Cake]

Those guys weren't one-dimensional, undersized shooting guards. They impacted the game in other ways. Please don't compare Bayless to any of them, it's insulting.

When Bayless doesn't score, he's a waste of space on the court since he doesn't excel in any other area.

In terms of win score per 48 minutes, Bayless compares favorably to most of the guards on that list. Just behind Kobe Bryant. Just ahead of Carmelo Anthony. Way ahead of Glen Rice and he's well ahead of PF Dirk Nowitzki.

Does it really matter if a guy is one dimensional anyway? His one dimension is pretty outstanding and he seemingly can score at will. We don't need 5 clones of Brandon Roy on the floor to win, do we?

And if you just want to compare him to his peers, his production is 3rd of guards 22 or younger. Behind only Ty Lawson and James Harden. He's ahead of Russell Westbrook, Tyreke Evans, O.J. Mayo, Derrick Rose, D.J. Augustin, Eric Gordon, Marcus Thornton, Brandon Jennings, Stephen Curry, Rodrigue Beaubois, DeMar DeRozan, Mike Conley, Eric Maynor, Darren Collison, Jonny Flynn, Jrue Holiday, etc...

One dimensional or not, he's pretty fucking good.

 

[jlprk]

Does it really matter if a guy is one dimensional anyway? His one dimension is pretty outstanding and he seemingly can score at will.

Who? Bayless?

I thought we were talking about Bayless.

In which dimension is he so good? Are you there right now?