Bayless Fading Again?

[blue32]

I really think that he has to borrow ahead to have those insanely great games. I'm fine with that; if his absolute ceiling is 31 points, that's fine. He won't be called on to do that often. Give us 14/7 a night and he'll be a borderline all-star.

He was lookin' good at the game, in person you can see a lot of contact he draws, last night I saw a ton and some no-calls (on both ends). So they were letting the guys be more physical last night. His passing skills were pretty dang good too, they credited him with one less assist than I thought.

I wish Bayless could get in that turn-around fade-away like Roy, or when he goes up against a shot blocker, get into their body just a little bit more to get the foul.

 

[bigbailes]

he dominates the ball and can't find simple passes to wide open teammates. i thought he got credited with one more assist than he deserved. he had the ball get swatted off his leg to a wide open guy (pendy or howard?) and they had an easy lay-up. if the one you think they missed was pendy's dunk, than think again cause that was an awful shot and again he missed a WIDE-OPEN, rolling to the hoop of a pick and roll, where Pendy had just put Thorton on the ground with his pick.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

he dominates the ball and can't find simple passes to wide open teammates. i thought he got credited with one more assist than he deserved. he had the ball get swatted off his leg to a wide open guy (pendy or howard?) and they had an easy lay-up. if the one you think they missed was pendy's dunk, than think again cause that was an awful shot and again he missed a WIDE-OPEN, rolling to the hoop of a pick and roll, where Pendy had just put Thorton on the ground with his pick.

Oh thank God. We were starting to have fun, but luckily you stopped us! Thank you!

 

[blue32]

he dominates the ball and can't find simple passes to wide open teammates. i thought he got credited with one more assist than he deserved. he had the ball get swatted off his leg to a wide open guy (pendy or howard?) and they had an easy lay-up. if the one you think they missed was pendy's dunk, than think again cause that was an awful shot and again he missed a WIDE-OPEN, rolling to the hoop of a pick and roll, where Pendy had just put Thorton on the ground with his pick.

Can't find simple passes to team mates? 8 assists? huh?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Can't find simple passes to team mates? 8 assists? huh?

Well, he should've had at least 14, dammit! A real point guard could get that many in a single quarter against the Clippers!

 

[MrJayremmie]

bigbailes, your bias is showing.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Well, he should've had at least 14, dammit! A real point guard could get that many in a single quarter against the Clippers!

To be fair, even Blake can do that. If he can, a real PG should get 20 a quarter.

 

[bigbailes]

Well, he should've had at least 14, dammit! A real point guard could get that many in a single quarter against the Clippers!

hahaha....at least the clips decided to play some defense last night, unlike that afternoon.

he's getting better at passing but he still has outlawitis, you can tell he gets the ball and he's going to go one on five no matter what. and he still jumps every fucking time to pass. he had a couple turnovers last night just because of his stupid jumping to pass.

 

[blue32]

hahaha....at least the clips decided to play some defense last night, unlike that afternoon.

he's getting better at passing but he still has outlawitis, you can tell he gets the ball and he's going to go one on five no matter what. and he still jumps every fucking time to pass. he had a couple turnovers last night just because of his stupid jumping to pass.

Yah, but that's what he does. He's a scorer. And last night he showed that he can pass as well.

Isn't the point of the game to put the ball in the hole? )

I think he did a really good job of sharing it and dominating it.

 

[MrJayremmie]

Honestly, Bayless is our 2nd option, and one of the only players on our team (Outside of Roy and Miller) who can create for himself and others (I'd say he is better than Miller at it, TBH).

Nate gave him the green light because we NEED his scoring. But he has surprisingly been assisting very well and keeping his TOs down. He isn't hitting his shots, but the more time he gets the more rhythm he will get into.

I have 2 knocks on Jerryd's game right now. One is that he does sometimes get tunnel vision, but even that has improved over the past year. Secondly, the guy gets to the hoop with the best of 'em, but sometimes he really misses the easier put ins and makes the harder ones. He needs to be able to finish better at the rim sometimes.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

hahaha....at least the clips decided to play some defense last night, unlike that afternoon.

he's getting better at passing but he still has outlawitis, you can tell he gets the ball and he's going to go one on five no matter what. and he still jumps every fucking time to pass. he had a couple turnovers last night just because of his stupid jumping to pass.

So, both his turnovers (because he only had two) were because of jump-passing? How many of his assists came via the same tactic? If jump-passing leads to a 4:1 assist/turnover ratio, I'm OK with that.

 

[bigbailes]

at this present time bayless is filling a void that we don't have, a scorer but he is a volume shooter at this point. before the phoenix game his #'s looked good from the field and he tore it up that game. since than hes been really bad for the field, and this is when he's getting good minutes.

3-13
2-6
3-8
10-24
2-10
0-7
5-14

25-82 for 30.5%

i get it, the kid is in his second year but he better figure out how to hit a wide open jumper, or how to create space at the basket (cause he's getting swatted a lot) to have a future in this league.

 

[MrJayremmie]

to have a future in this league.

I highly doubt his future in this league is in question.

 

[Pinwheel1]

The thing about Bayless is you know he will continue to work on his game. And what he needs next is a "floater". He gets into the lane with ease, but he needs that floater that Brooks has that gets him those baskets against the big shot blockers.

 

[MrJayremmie]

Definitely. Floater, finishing, decrease tunnel vision and keep working on your jump shot. I think those are among the most important things for Bayless this off season.

I couldn't agree with Pinwheel1 more, that we know Bayless will tirelessly work on his game, which means he is only going to get better from here. And I think in a consistant 30mpg, he can be expected for around 11, 4, 2 at 21 years old. Future is bright for this kid, IMO.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Definitely. Floater, finishing, decrease tunnel vision and keep working on your jump shot. I think those are among the most important things for Bayless this off season.

I couldn't agree with Pinwheel1 more, that we know Bayless will tirelessly work on his game, which means he is only going to get better from here. And I think in a consistant 30mpg, he can be expected for around 11, 4, 2 at 21 years old. Future is bright for this kid, IMO.

11/4/2 in 30 minutes? Ugh, that would be pretty mediocre production. His per 36 numbers are already 19/4.7/3 with a modest 1.9 turnovers per game. I'd be extremely disappointed if that's all he could manage.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

11/4/2 in 30 minutes? Ugh, that would be pretty mediocre production. His per 36 numbers are already 19/4.7/3 with a modest 1.9 turnovers per game. I'd be extremely disappointed if that's all he could manage.

His per-36 don't take into account that 36 minutes a game means playing with Roy and LMA as the 3rd option. A lot of his points this season have come when he's The Man off the bench. So it's natural that he wouldn't reach the Per-36 averages playing as the 3rd option.

That said, he should do better than 11/4/2. 14/6/3 is more like it, imho. Fewer shots, but more assists passing it to Roy/LMA/Webster.

 

[PapaG]

I think that Bayless' improved play means that Andre Miller may only be in PDX for one year, or two years at the most. I see no way the team keeps him around for the 3rd year option. Since that seems evident, at what point is Bayless inserted into the starting line-up (or Blake, with Bayless getting Miller's minutes)?

 

[Nikolokolus]

His per-36 don't take into account that 36 minutes a game means playing with Roy and LMA as the 3rd option. A lot of his points this season have come when he's The Man off the bench. So it's natural that he wouldn't reach the Per-36 averages playing as the 3rd option.

That said, he should do better than 11/4/2. 14/6/3 is more like it, imho. Fewer shots, but more assists passing it to Roy/LMA/Webster.

Yes, I realize that role plays a lot into the numbers he would put up if injected into the starting lineup, I'm just saying that 11/4/2 would be really poor for a guy with Jerryd's aggressive nature and improved level of play.

It raises an interesting question though. Maybe Jerryd's best eventual role will be to play a super-sub role kind of like Leandro Barbosa, Ben Gordon, or Manu Ginobli ... a 32+ minutes per game player that comes of the bench five minutes into the game, changes the pace but doesn't have to play completely off of Brandon, with our "starter" being a 20 minutes a night guy.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I think that Bayless' improved play means that Andre Miller may only be in PDX for one year, or two years at the most. I see no way the team keeps him around for the 3rd year option. Since that seems evident, at what point is Bayless inserted into the starting line-up (or Blake, with Bayless getting Miller's minutes)?

I wouldn't be shocked at this point if Miller is traded at the deadline and Blake reinserted into the starting lineup, but with Blake a starter in name only (ie. getting about 20 or so minutes per game). Bayless has real super sub potential at this point and because so much of his game overlaps with Brandon's maybe it's best he plays 30 minutes a night or so, but staggers his minutes so he's not on the court with Brandon all the time. However, both I think make an excellent 4th quarter pairing, as long as there is enough shooting in the corner and on the wings.

 

[PapaG]

I wouldn't be shocked at this point if Miller is traded at the deadline and Blake reinserted into the Starting lineup, but with Blake a starter in name only (ie. getting about 20 or so minutes per game). Bayless has real super sub potential at this point and because so much of his game overlaps with Brandon's maybe it's best he plays 30 minutes a night or so, but staggers his minutes so he's not on the court with Brandon all the time. However, both I think make an excellent 4th quarter pairing, as long as their is enough shooting in the corner and on the wings.

I've posted in the past that Bayless can be a Vinnie Johnson-type impact player off of the bench. Not the same type of game, but the same type of impact. I also agree about Bayless being better off of the bench, just as I think Rudy is best served coming off of the bench so he too can be a primary offensive threat instead of an afterthought behind Roy/LMA/Oden in the starting unit.

 

[andalusian]

It raises an interesting question though. Maybe Jerryd's best eventual role will be to play a super-sub role kind of like Leandro Barbosa, Ben Gordon, or Manu Ginobli ... a 32+ minutes per game player that comes of the bench five minutes into the game, changes the pace but doesn't have to play completely off of Brandon, with our "starter" being a 20 minutes a night guy.

I am not buying this. You see that the Blazers are closing games with a Roy/Bayless combo - because it becomes such a chore to choose what poison you pick - do you contain Roy and open the driving lanes/shooting opportunities for JB - or do you try to get in front of him and find that Roy is guarded single coverage.

Does it make sense to have JB featured on the offense some with Roy on the bench? Sure. But, overall - and for reasons mentioned before many a time - the Bayless Roy combo seems to just be fine. Both are willing passers, JB can guard the opposing PG while playing SG to Roy's PG on offense, and we have the two attackers from the dribble that can dish to each other for jump shots.

I think that Roy and JB will be fine with scoring less and taking turn attacking the rim - if they are winning, and you see that they are winning even with this depleted crew. Just imagine that same backcourt with Nic helping and LMA/Oden down low.

JB has what we all hoped we can get from Miller playing next to Roy - and he is a better fit - because he can hit the outside shot and he can guard opposing PGs, something Miller seems to be less and less able to do.

 

[BrianFromWA]

(Andalusian)^this

It seems to me it would be even better if both Roy and JB took some time to make cuts down the lane while one of the posts has the ball. Miller's done it a few times to great effect....LMA's had at least one play a game in the recent ones where he hands off to Webster cutting baseline for layup, but you generally don't see our two great finishers doing that.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I am not buying this. You see that the Blazers are closing games with a Roy/Bayless combo - because it becomes such a chore to choose what poison you pick - do you contain Roy and open the driving lanes/shooting opportunities for JB - or do you try to get in front of him and find that Roy is guarded single coverage.

Does it make sense to have JB featured on the offense some with Roy on the bench? Sure. But, overall - and for reasons mentioned before many a time - the Bayless Roy combo seems to just be fine. Both are willing passers, JB can guard the opposing PG while playing SG to Roy's PG on offense, and we have the two attackers from the dribble that can dish to each other for jump shots.

I think that Roy and JB will be fine with scoring less and taking turn attacking the rim - if they are winning, and you see that they are winning even with this depleted crew. Just imagine that same backcourt with Nic helping and LMA/Oden down low.

JB has what we all hoped we can get from Miller playing next to Roy - and he is a better fit - because he can hit the outside shot and he can guard opposing PGs, something Miller seems to be less and less able to do.

Each of the super subs I mentioned are all fully capable "starters" and all are regular performers in the fourth quarter of games. It's not a snub to Jerryd suggesting that this sort of "backup" role would suit him best. I have no doubt he could fit in next to Roy as a full time starter, I just think it might not be maximizing each player's potential and production to do so. If it helps, I think neither Blake nor Miller really fit the bill of the defensive minded point guard I'd like to see as the "starter" in the lineup (a guy like Kyle Lowry, Mario Chalmers, etc.).

 

[andalusian]

Each of the super subs I mentioned are all fully capable "starters" and all are regular performers in the fourth quarter of games. It's not a snub to Jerryd suggesting that this sort of "backup" role would suit him best. I have no doubt he could fit in next to Roy as a full time starter, I just think it might not be maximizing each player's potential and production to do so. If it helps, I think neither Blake nor Miller really fit the bill of the defensive minded point guard I'd like to see as the "starter" in the lineup (a guy like Kyle Lowry, Mario Chalmers, etc.).

I think that what the Miller experiment told us is that some of these guys have ego problems - and getting the "starter" nod seems to help them, even if their playing time is about the same. Not saying that this is something that is a problem for JB - but, as he is the most talented and capable PG on the roster (Miller might be more talented in a vacuum, but his age and inability to chase younger quick PG makes him less able, imho) - he should probably be the "starting" PG long term here. Also, there might be some games when Roy does not have it going and some when JB will not - as far as scoring goes, but they both can still contribute even if their shot does not fall.

At the end of the day, it does not matter much - I agree that at times it might make sense to have JB running wild and attacking the rim with abandon, with Brandon taking a back-seat - I am not sure, however, that Brandon will not be able to live with it and play the "decoy" when this is the game plan. So - at the end of the day, I do not care if JB is starting or not, as long as he plays the minutes he probably should get. My gut feeling, however, is that Bayless and Roy will be able to defer to each other a lot better than Roy/Miller seem to be able to.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I think that what the Miller experiment told us is that some of these guys have ego problems - and getting the "starter" nod seems to help them, even if their playing time is about the same. Not saying that this is something that is a problem for JB - but, as he is the most talented and capable PG on the roster (Miller might be more talented in a vacuum, but his age and inability to chase younger quick PG makes him less able, imho) - he should probably be the "starting" PG long term here. Also, there might be some games when Roy does not have it going and some when JB will not - as far as scoring goes, but they both can still contribute even if their shot does not fall.

At the end of the day, it does not matter much - I agree that at times it might make sense to have JB running wild and attacking the rim with abandon, with Brandon taking a back-seat - I am not sure, however, that Brandon will not be able to live with it and play the "decoy" when this is the game plan. So - at the end of the day, I do not care if JB is starting or not, as long as he plays the minutes he probably should get. My gut feeling, however, is that Bayless and Roy will be able to defer to each other a lot better than Roy/Miller seem to be able to.

Again, as I said above I don't really see Miller or Blake as the guy I want paired up with Brandon for 20-25 minutes a game as the "starter" either. And in the short term, minus better options Bayless and Roy could certainly be workable, I'm just saying I wonder if that is maximizing their contributions to this team.

 

[jlprk]

Bayless needs to watch how Roy or Parker creates space for their shot then do the same.

Growing 3 inches isn't in the cards. But he can learn how to reverse under the basket or try and finish with his off hand. Taking it straight at the chest of the tallest guy on the court isn't a winning strategy.

If Jerryd could master that Parkeresque teardrop prior to shoehorning his way into the land of the giants he'd be golden.

I wish Bayless could get in that turn-around fade-away like Roy, or when he goes up against a shot blocker, get into their body just a little bit more to get the foul.

Who taught that to Roy? Someone on the Husky staff? How about the Blazers hire him to do some 1-on-1 with Bayless?

 

[RudyFor3]

Bayless having another horrible night from the field. We will probably win this game but I'm all for calling Mills and taking some of Bayless' minutes.

 

[KingSpeed]

Bayless having another horrible night from the field. We will probably win this game but I'm all for calling Mills and taking some of Bayless' minutes.

Mills will be there for us on Monday.

 

[RudyFor3]

Another poor showing by Bayless tonight. Took only 6 shots and hit 2 of them. You would think with all the injuries Bayless and the coaches would use him in a way to maximize his abilities but it seems Bayless is regressing and losing all confidence he had earlier. If Bayless isn't going to seize the opportunity with Blake, Rudy, Batum and Outlaw all injured, what's going to happen to him when they all come back? Now is the perfect time for Bayless to step up because he's been giving ample playing time but the question is will he and the coaches use it wisely?