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He makes really funny faces while playing...always squinting or eyes getting really excited
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Thats weird... he only has one stone face off the court. Its actually quite funny.
 
Shooter said:
You're making a lot of sense, hasoos, both in the above post and the one you made earlier. Getting to the rim, or to the free-throw line, is crucial to the team's success. That's why I love Bayless' aggressive style.
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Yes, but ultimately if Sergio can't hit a shot, teams won't let him get into the paint. It will be the same with Bayless. He needs to start hitting his shots or teams will sag off him and make him shoot. This is the reason why Sergio hasn't played as well as he did his rookie season. Teams figured him out.
 
I didn't catch the game . . . did Bayless get mor minutes because he deserved them?

Just from looking at the box score, I would figure there were a lot of garbage minutes?????
 
it's_GO_time said:
I didn't catch the game . . . did Bayless get mor minutes because he deserved them?

Just from looking at the box score, I would figure there were a lot of garbage minutes?????
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Sergio came in for Blake as part of the regular rotation. When Blake aggravated his shoulder, Bayless came into play.

He also was, iirc, part of the big run that the Blazers put on. There really weren't too many minutes of garbage time last night since the Blazers didn't run away with the game until late.

Ed O.
 
DaRizzle said:
He makes really funny faces while playing...always squinting or eyes getting really excited
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B-Rex feels no emotion.
 
lol...well on the court its different...lots of eye, forehead, and mouth movement...at least when I watched him
 
Ed O said:
Sergio came in for Blake as part of the regular rotation. When Blake aggravated his shoulder, Bayless came into play.

He also was, iirc, part of the big run that the Blazers put on. There really weren't too many minutes of garbage time last night since the Blazers didn't run away with the game until late.

Ed O.
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Thanks for the info.
 
KingSpeed said:
Answer: Sergio
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Wrong.

There is no defense against Sergio. None at all. He is the PG to whom all future great PG's will aspire to be compared to. He is basketball incanate. :smiley-bowdown:

Blake is hard to defend because he doesn't take chances, ever. And he always has Roy to bail him out if he can't set up a play in time. And he can drill the 3. And the refs absolutely love him. :wub:

Right now, Bayless is the easiest to defend because he is a rookie and falls for every head fake, is confused by the simplest of picks, and after a short honeymoon with the refs he no longer is getting the calls when he drives ala Jarrett Jack hoping for a foul. :sigh:

In a couple years, he may be harder than Blake, but that remains to be seen. Eventually he will have to consistently make real shots, not just layups, stop the stupid fouls and turnovers, learn to run the pick and roll, and greatly improve his defense. His work ethic is obvious, so I have faith he will become a good, productive SG in a few years.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Yes, but ultimately if Sergio can't hit a shot, teams won't let him get into the paint. It will be the same with Bayless. He needs to start hitting his shots or teams will sag off him and make him shoot. This is the reason why Sergio hasn't played as well as he did his rookie season. Teams figured him out.
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I have to take issue with this statement. In my experience, a player who drives aggressively is actually more dangerous when given space. Prime example was the broken play which led to the Bayless-Oden alley-oop (or Oden putback on Bayless airball, depending on your interpretation). Once Bayless had the ball and a head of steam, there was no stopping him.

If teams "sag off him", they're just daring him to take a step back and then drive straight past them--not a good plan. You have to play a driver close if you want to keep him in front of you.
 
MARIS61 said:
As you and all Bayless lovers claim +/- means NOTHING>:cheers:

Bayless sucked the 1st half, absolutely horrible, and therefore played in the 2nd half purely because Nate-loves-short-SG's-who remind him of him.

He had an okay game, half of his lazy passes got tipped, 4 stupid fouls, and still can't shoot at all. Typical rookie trying hard but getting schooled by the competition.

He was credited an assist for his woefully short shot, and also for a pass Joel threw to Rudy at the end of a quarter.

But he'll improve eventually, with PT, which he will get from Nate despite not earning it yet.

He'll never be a PG though.

Sergio had a much better game, BTW, and the difference in poise, confidence, and execution is obvious. Every minute Sergio sits is a wasted minute in our quest for a dynasty.
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YOU are the one who believes in the +/- stat and now that it is HUGELY in favor of Bayless, you are disregarding it. If the stat had been in favor of Sergio, you'd be ALL OVER IT. Bayless had more assists and a higher +/- which YOU said is how to judge a PG. Man up and admit that Bayless had a better game by YOUR STANDARDS.
 
If you don't give credit to Bayless, you lose all credibility. I gave Sergio credit when he had that great game a few days ago.
 
Obviously there isn't a lot of data to draw from, but I do find these interesting.

http://www.82games.com/0809/08POR3.HTM#5man

http://www.82games.com/0809/08POR2.HTM#5man

The one unit Bayless has been in the most--Bayless/Roy/Batum/Aldridge/Oden--is one of the most efficient we've had all year, outscoring the opponents by 22 points in 20 minutes. Sergio's best line-ups, however, include Rudy and Outlaw along with Roy and/or Aldridge.

Seems to me that these numbers suggest that Bayless should be starting, and Sergio should be coming off the bench. Then again, stats can be interpreted to mean anything, can't they...?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Obviously there isn't a lot of data to draw from, but I do find these interesting.

http://www.82games.com/0809/08POR3.HTM#5man

http://www.82games.com/0809/08POR2.HTM#5man

The one unit Bayless has been in the most--Bayless/Roy/Batum/Aldridge/Oden--is one of the most efficient we've had all year, outscoring the opponents by 22 points in 20 minutes. Sergio's best line-ups, however, include Rudy and Outlaw along with Roy and/or Aldridge.

Seems to me that these numbers suggest that Bayless should be starting, and Sergio should be coming off the bench. Then again, stats can be interpreted to mean anything, can't they...?
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Yes, they can.

I would interpret that to mean Sergio, Rudy, Outlaw, either center, along with Roy or Aldridge should be starting.

+40 over 73 mins and +33 over 42 mins.

Far, far better than Bayless's best grouping.

Since the actual opponents in each game are not deemed a factor, these stats, as most on 82games.com, are less than meaningless.
 
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MARIS61 said:
Yes, they can.

I would interpret that to mean Sergio, Rudy, Outlaw, either center, along with Roy or Aldridge should be starting.
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Well, we've played six men at a time before, so there is a precedent ...
 
KingSpeed said:
YOU are the one who believes in the +/- stat and now that it is HUGELY in favor of Bayless, you are disregarding it. If the stat had been in favor of Sergio, you'd be ALL OVER IT. Bayless had more assists and a higher +/- which YOU said is how to judge a PG. Man up and admit that Bayless had a better game by YOUR STANDARDS.
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I have indeed used it to support Sergio, but only half-seriously. Stats of any kind have huge limitations.

I seriously did not think Bayless had a very good game last night, especially in the role of PG.

Jones blew by him several times off picks, Jerryd committed some very silly fouls, he tried to pass through traffic when there were players wide open, his shot is still way off, and he did not get to the line even once. He settled down in the second half, but didn't do much. By then it was the Rudy and TO show, with some Roy to cap it off.

At this point it's a matter of comparing Sergio's ever-more complete game with historically amazing passing magic and overall orchestration of the other nine players on the floor, to Jerryd merely getting through another game without embarrassing himself. Mostly by handing the ball to Roy for 3's. Not a PG, IMO.

I like him when he's scoring, 'cause that's what SG's are supposed to do. He's done it once, the NJ game. That's his style, and that's what he should concentrate on. That's where he is of value in this league.
 
MARIS61 said:
I would interpret that to mean Sergio, Rudy, Outlaw, either center, along with Roy or Aldridge should be starting.

+40 over 73 mins and +33 over 42 mins.

Far, far better than Bayless's best grouping.
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+26.3/48 and +37.7/48 are better than +52.8/48 (+22/20 extrapolated)? Wow--you kids and your new math...

Please note that I'm not saying Bayless is better than Sergio--all I'm saying is that Bayless seems to have less of a negative impact when he's in with the guys who start, while Sergio seems to have the greatest positive impact when he's carrying the rest of the reserves.
 
I thought Ben at Blazersedge saw it similar to how I saw it last night:

Sergio Rodriguez did a nice job stepping up and prosecuting his game in Steve Blake's absence, finishing with 7 points and 5 assists. He got out and pushed the ball a little bit. He found the right guys on the fast breaks. And, of course, he had the fantastic over-his-head no look dime to Oden for the slam. Was that the single greatest highlight of Sergio's career? I can't remember a better one. As always, Sergio went 1 for 3 from the field but that was less relevant because he knocked down his free throws and because Brandon was on fire, providing the necessary scoring. Another night where I think he can look back and say he outperformed Bayless.

But that's not a huge knock on Rex, who had an up an down game with some real flashes. Bayless finished with 6 assists, finding Brandon a number of times and finding Greg memorably on a lob/shot in which they credited him an assist. Rex still has the "head down going to the basket" thing going on but he pulled up and found teammates a few times tonight when I was sure he was going to bull on through. Progress? Hopefully.

http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/1/26/737486/game-44-recap-blazers-113
 
An add on both Bayless and Sergio, shooting-wise.

Both guards were put in the position of throwing a hail mary, which hurts their FG%.

It's something Sergio has lived with nearly every game, and now Bayless will have to also.
 
MARIS61 said:
Sergio Rodriguez did a nice job stepping up and prosecuting his game in Steve Blake's absence, finishing with 7 points and 5 assists.
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"Prosecuting his game"?

WTF is that?

Ed O.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Yes, but ultimately if Sergio can't hit a shot, teams won't let him get into the paint. It will be the same with Bayless.
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Not necessarily. Roy has no trouble getting to the hoop any time he wants--and Bayless shows the same quickness and determination that Roy has. However, I agree that a good jump shot should be part of Bayless' arsenal, and can only make him a better player.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Rex is Bayless--it is a reference to his T-rex-short arms, as well as his hyper-aggressive on-court demeanor.
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Okay, that's new to me. Do the Portland fans refer to him this way, or is it the national media?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Rex is Bayless--it is a reference to his T-rex-short arms, as well as his hyper-aggressive on-court demeanor.
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I still like "Pay Up" from the "Gunnin' for that #1 Spot" documentary for his nickname.

When I think t-rex arms, I think of Shawn Kemp who always ran back on defense looking like a t-rex with his his arms pull back.
 
Ed O said:
"Prosecuting his game"?

WTF is that?

Ed O.
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I would certainly agree that Sergio's game deserves to be put on trial, surprisingly it has elected to represent itself. :crazy:
 
Shooter said:
Okay, that's new to me. Do the Portland fans refer to him this way, or is it the national media?
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Mostly a BlazersEdge construct, I think, but it's grown on me. I also like the fact that in addition to the previously stated meanings, it also sounds like a dog's name, which works since he kind of reminds me of a bulldog the way he attacks the lane. Plus, since Rex is Latin for "king", it also connotes supremacy. I think it should be embraced.
 
The Rex had a pin-sized brain, and was rather clumsy. Obnoxiously loud, and definitely not a team player.

If I was Bayless, I'd put an end to that nickname fast.
 
it was nice to see both PG's have good games last night after blake went down. i still don't know why he was out there to begin with, and fred jones used and abused him in that first quarter.

last night i saw it as outlaw/rudy dominating the 4th and Bayless just happened to be out there. he played better in the 4th in making the simple extra pass, which is where most of his assists came from. i still don't know how he got an assist for the oden put back but that's neither here nor there.

in the end it is blake that is the odd man out. people have been saying for 3 seasons now, "sergio has to develop an outside shot, teams aren't going to let him drive the lane." yes that happens from time to time but he's good at getting in there and creating for his teammates. as for blake being a better shooter and we need another guy to spot up, i give you Roy, Aldridge (for the mid jumper), Rudy, TO, Webster. do we need all four to be deadeyes?
 
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