Bayless or Roy?

[Nikolokolus]

how about bayless or derrick rose?

might sound equally silly to some but bayless is already showing much better range than rose has to this point, and for that reason could be a much better fit with roy.

I think Derrick Rose is more talented, but he is not being done any favors by playing for VDN --who might be the most clueless coach in the league -- Rose's development as a player is being severely stunted.

 

[REDIVIDER]

yes, rose is more talented. but it's not the coach's fault. rose dribbles east/west too much (no-one in the league wastes more dribbles than derrick rose), he doesn't go to the rim enough, he scoops shots away from contact on drives instead of drawing fouls, and he's bad at finishing. he's wasting his own talent: one of the best handles in the game, speed, strength, explosiveness off the dribble, great elevation on dribble-drives.

 

[STOMP]

Bayless is more athletic and has more physical ability. Roy is more skilled and has a better feel for the game. It's basically like the difference between Wade and Kobe, IMO. I'd rather have the latter than the former.

yet at their respective predrafts, it was Roy with the 40.5" vert which was 2.5" higher then JB's

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?year=All&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=0&sort=1

I'm still looking forward to the guard/wing rotation eventually being whittled down to a combo Jerryd Rudy Roy and Batum getting a majority of the minutes.

STOMP

 

[WillG]

You can be the most athletically gifted freak in the NBA, but it won't mean s%#t if you decide to walk around the court most of the time.

 

[STOMP]

You can be the most athletically gifted freak in the NBA, but it won't mean s%#t if you decide to walk around the court most of the time.

you can say "shit" on this site... knock yourself out

are you really saying Roy doesn't use his outstanding athleticism regularly?

STOMP

 

[WillG]

Well shit,
I'm not trying to downplay Roy's commitment or will to win, I'll just say Roy sometimes is 'inconsistent' with the use of his athleticism from what I see on court (fast breaking, defense).

 

[PtldPlatypus]

yet at their respective predrafts, it was Roy with the 40.5" vert which was 2.5" higher then JB's

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?year=All&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=0&sort=1

Roy jumped higher, Bayless benched more (10 reps of 185 to Roy's 6). Bayless was also faster (3.07 sprint to Roy's 3.27), while Roy beat him in the agility drill (11.13 to 11.26).

Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that Bayless' game relies more on athleticism,whereas Roy is more about control and change of pace. Either way, I still said that Roy is better.

 

[RR7]

I think Derrick Rose is more talented, but he is not being done any favors by playing for VDN --who might be the most clueless coach in the league -- Rose's development as a player is being severely stunted.

Wait a minute, his coach is playing him. He's getting playing time! I thought that's all you needed to make sure your growth wasn't stunted?

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

They complement each other to a T.

KS, were you drunk posting last night? wow, some of your posts....

 

[hasoos]

Roy jumped higher, Bayless benched more (10 reps of 185 to Roy's 6). Bayless was also faster (3.07 sprint to Roy's 3.27), while Roy beat him in the agility drill (11.13 to 11.26).

Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that Bayless' game relies more on athleticism,whereas Roy is more about control and change of pace. Either way, I still said that Roy is better.

Interesting, although I don't read into the bench press results. Anybody who has lifted weights knows that shorter arms = much easier bench press. Simple physics.

 

[Draco]

Interesting, although I don't read into the bench press results. Anybody who has lifted weights knows that shorter arms = much easier bench press. Simple physics.

Bayless should be able to bench 400lbs.

 

[BlayZa]

lets not get too lost in the moment eh.....

 

[maxiep]

you can say "shit" on this site... knock yourself out

are you really saying Roy doesn't use his outstanding athleticism regularly?

STOMP

He rarely uses his explosiveness. What he does--I think better than anyone else in the league--is use that cast iron transmission of his. He goes from first to fifth and back to first with no loss in torque better than anyone.

And not using his explosiveness all the time is a wonderful thing. He lulls his opponent to sleep and then once every few games you'll say to yourself, "Holy *&^%! Did he just do that?"

 

[hasoos]

He rarely uses his explosiveness. What he does--I think better than anyone else in the league--is use that cast iron transmission of his. He goes from first to fifth and back to first with no loss in torque better than anyone.

And not using his explosiveness all the time is a wonderful thing. He lulls his opponent to sleep and then once every few games you'll say to yourself, "Holy *&^%! Did he just do that?"

That is the "Nitrous Kit"

 

[Nikolokolus]

He rarely uses his explosiveness. What he does--I think better than anyone else in the league--is use that cast iron transmission of his. He goes from first to fifth and back to first with no loss in torque better than anyone.

And not using his explosiveness all the time is a wonderful thing. He lulls his opponent to sleep and then once every few games you'll say to yourself, "Holy *&^%! Did he just do that?"

Absolutely. Roy is maybe one of the craftiest players in the league; he's somehow able to transform average NBA quickness (which is not the same as leaping ability) and make it seem like he's blowing by people, because of his hesitation moves.

So this idea that he doesn't use his "explosiveness" is pretty funny to me -- he doesn't really have much, but what he does have he maximizes.

 

[STOMP]

Absolutely. Roy is maybe one of the craftiest players in the league; he's somehow able to transform average NBA quickness (which is not the same as leaping ability) and make it seem like he's blowing by people, because of his hesitation moves.

So this idea that he doesn't use his "explosiveness" is pretty funny to me -- he doesn't really have much, but what he does have he maximizes.

couldn't disagree more. Dude is among the elite in the league in this regard and proves it nightly in his drives to the hoop. Average NBA quickness does not get him by his man and finishing over and around Bigs... just wow! do we disagree here

STOMP

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Absolutely. Roy is maybe one of the craftiest players in the league; he's somehow able to transform average NBA quickness (which is not the same as leaping ability) and make it seem like he's blowing by people, because of his hesitation moves.

So this idea that he doesn't use his "explosiveness" is pretty funny to me -- he doesn't really have much, but what he does have he maximizes.

The best part is that he already plays like a 12-year veteran, and could sustain this level of play another 10 years without losing that "athletic advantage" so many young players rely on.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

couldn't disagree more. Dude is among the elite in the league in this regard and proves it nightly in his drives to the hoop. Average NBA quickness does not get him by his man and finishing over and around Bigs... just wow! do we disagree here

STOMP

Just one example, but do you notice how high Bayless jumps when he is finishing around the rim? And how Roy stays way closer to the ground? I've also never seen Roy jump as high as Bayless can on a rebound or anytime on defense.

 

[the ob]

Yi Jianlian agrees

this made me laugh big time.

 

[Tince]

Lebron James or Mo Williams?
Kevin Durant or Russell Westbrook?

 

[DaRizzle]

Wow, you guys don't understand the game at all.

 

[andalusian]

Wow, you guys don't understand the game at all.

tick tock, tick tock. Stop!

 

[KingSpeed]

This, this.

Eric of course sees one fantastic game and all other games disappear.

Compare Bayless' first start to Roy's first start.....

 

[KingSpeed]

hahahahahahahahahahahaha...........the guy was 10 of 24 last night and you are comparing him to roy who against MIA was 11-15 including 5-5 from 3. good work on asking the dumbest question you've ever asked on here. that took quite a bit cause you've asked some really, really dumb ones.

Reminder: Roy shot 7 of 19 in his last game (vs Dallas).

Bayless is shooting 46.3% from the field this season. Brandon only 45.2%.

 

[DaRizzle]

Compare Bayless' first start to Roy's first start.....

Fuck Jordan, Wilt, Magic, Russell, and Bayless....

I bring to you.....obviously the best player in the history of the NBA judging by his first start which we all know is the end all be all.....

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=AstZwFI7s4iJMMkgnZIAa_UMPqB4?gid=2008111512

 

[Da_O]

Reminder: Roy shot 7 of 19 in his last game (vs Dallas).

Bayless is shooting 46.3% from the field this season. Brandon only 45.2%.

That's a huge difference. You're right, Bayless is better than Brandon.

PER
Brandon 20.04
Jerryd 18.53

Oh wait.

 

[KingSpeed]

That's a huge difference. You're right, Bayless is better than Brandon.

PER
Brandon 20.04
Jerryd 18.53

Oh wait.

I never once in this thread said that Bayless is better than Roy. Not once.

 

[Tince]

I never once in this thread said that Bayless is better than Roy. Not once.

What are you getting at then? It's obvious Roy is better than Bayless. I must totally be missing the point of this thread.

 

[Da_O]

I never once in this thread said that Bayless is better than Roy. Not once.

If that's not your position then I'm confused. Why start the thread then?

 

[oldmangrouch]

Let's rephrase the question in more pragmatic terms.

2 years from now, let's say it is apparant that Oden is a bust. Do you keep Bayless (at around $3 million) and try to unload Roy (at around $16 million) in an effort to restructure the team? Assuming that Bayless reaches his full potential - is the difference between him and Roy worth that big of a salary cap impact?

Conversely, let's say that 2 years from now, Oden really has become a "once in a generation" center.....but he and Roy can't coexist. Do you trade Oden, or trade Roy and hand the keys to Bayless? (again assuming Bayless reaches his full potential)

Obviously, this is all hypothetical. My only point, is that I wouldn't be so positive that Roy is a "Blazer lifer". If this season proves anything, it is that things always can (and usually will) get worse.