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tlongII said:
As I mentioned earlier in this thread I think the Hornets are on the bubble for the lottery. They are not a good team imo.
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They'll be about a .500 team at the worst unless there are injuries. They could be like the Rockets were last year and be 42-40(I think it's fair to say a healthy Paul can at least add 5 more wins) which landed the Rockets with the 14th pick in the draft. That's Luke Babbitt territory. It's not that great.
 
RoyToy said:
They were 25-21 with Paul before he went down for a couple months and that was after a slow start. They were coming on strong as they were 11-5 in their last 16 games when he then went down to injury. After he went down they went 7-17. Pretty sure that wouldn't have happened if he was healthy.

Now they have a better starting lineup this season and actually have Bayless/Thornton/Peja coming off the bench. They should shoot way over the 37 wins that landed them the 11th pick last year.
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That number is wrong.

I'm not sure you can even count Thornton as he has sucked in pre-season and has fallen completely out of favor with
Monty Williams. He is most likely the reason they wanted Bayless. Peja hasn't been effective in a while.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
That number is wrong.

I'm not sure you can even count Thornton as he has sucked in pre-season and has fallen completely out of favor with
Monty Williams. He is most likely the reason they wanted Bayless. Peja hasn't been effective in a while.
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I counted the 8 games he missed before the big injury. They went 4-4, no big deal. Doesn't really skew anything at all.

Preseason is preseason. Chris Paul hasn't played well in preseason either. Thornton is also strictly a 2 while Bayless can still be called a combo guard. They'll play together most likely with Peja. Peja as a starter isn't effective, but off the bench? Big difference. He won't play nearly as minutes this year with Ariza there which will be good for him. He can still knock down the 3.
 
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EGame said:
At least he didn't bitch and go public with it helping lower his value. And this is just another reason I hate Rudy and want him gone.
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I'll give Jerryd a ton of credit, he handled himself like a pure pro the whole time he was here, he had far less given to him than Rudy and comported himself in a way that tells me he's not only a hard worker but also a class act.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
So we will more than likely have two first round draft picks to dangle when Denver decides to blow up their team after they trade Melo. I certainly don't think that this trade was done with that in mind, but first round draft picks can be assets. I want Chauncey at the trade deadline.
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2 first round picks and 2 valuable expiring contracts. We have some nice little assets to work with.
 
RoyToy said:
They'll be about a .500 team at the worst unless there are injuries. They could be like the Rockets were last year and be 42-40(I think it's fair to say a healthy Paul can at least add 5 more wins) which landed the Rockets with the 14th pick in the draft. That's Luke Babbitt territory. It's not that great.
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Luke Babbitt range? You can find good players up and down the first round and into the 2nd round.
 
HCP said:
So who do you think is going to do a better job at backing up Dre and possibly Brandon? They must really be high on Wes and Rudy's preseason play made them do this deal.
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I wonder if we aren't going to move (sooner or later) Dre to second string and start Wes or possibly Rudy and shorten the rotation. It does make us very flexible.

Roy would be able to handle the ball more on the first team and the second team becomes more potent. Rotat in Johnson and you have a much smother team. Just a thought.
 
Anyone have a link to Bayless' twitter account?
 
gatorpops said:
I wonder if we aren't going to move (sooner or later) Dre to second string and start Wes or possibly Rudy and shorten the rotation. It does make us very flexible.

Roy would be able to handle the ball more on the first team and the second team becomes more potent. Rotat in Johnson and you have a much smother team. Just a thought.
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I don't think that Miller would do well in that role... it'd be better to start him and then play him less than to start someone else and play him more. It seems that being a starter is a pretty big deal to him.

Ed O.
 
JB was always class act:

"On a serious note though.. Thank you to Portland and all it's fans for the love the last two years. It's been a bumpy ride but everything Happens for a reason. You guys are lucky to have the players you have. There not only great at their job but great people. Thanks again Portland.."
 
andalusian said:
JB was always class act:

"On a serious note though.. Thank you to Portland and all it's fans for the love the last two years. It's been a bumpy ride but everything Happens for a reason. You guys are lucky to have the players you have. There not only great at their job but great people. Thanks again Portland.."
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Very classy, and I hope he makes the most of his new opportunities.

Ed O.
 
RoyToy said:
One injury to Rudy(who wants to return to Spain) or Matthews(whose achilles is already bothering him) and we'll have even less depth.
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I don't get how this logic means anything significant. There aren't many teams in the league that wouldn't have "less depth" if they lost 1 of 2 bench players. Just the fact that it is 1 of 2 good players on the bench, and not a risk to 1 decent player, kind of disagrees with your point. It shows that we have quite a bit of depth.
 
I will make this prediction right now, Elliot Williams will be a better player than Bayless.
 
Sug said:
I will make this prediction right now, Elliot Williams will be a better player than Bayless.
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He's only 10 months younger. He better get a move on! :)

Ed O.
 
Ed O said:
Bayless has been an incredibly hard worker his whole time with the Blazers and I think it's fair to think that all of that dedication will pay off eventually. It's too bad it won't be in Portland.

Ed O.
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I'll preface this by saying I like Bayless and I'm curious to see how well he would play if given a greenlight and allowed to play through bad mistakes. We've heard and read since his rookie year that he puts in more time working than any other Blazer, yet his game hasn't really elevated much since entering the league. He makes less mistakes and better decisions--which were borderline awful his rookie year-- but that could be attributable to becoming more comfortable with NBA speed.

Some guys take a summer to work on an aspect of their game, and are noticeably better from just 4 months summer work. Outlaw and Batum with their shooting. Oden with his footwork and post mechanics. Roy with his mid-range game. I kept waiting for Bayless to signficantly improve his outside shot, the runner off drives, better finishing near the rim from all the "work" he puts in outside practice, and it's really, really slow coming. I dunno...best of luck to him.
 
But whos going to drive the lane now and chuck up bad shots and pray for a foul call?
 
Tom Cruise said:
But whos going to drive the lane now and chuck up bad shots and pray for a foul call?
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I'll take "Who is Brandon Roy?" for $80 million, Alex.

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Didn't Bayless in the last preseason game screw up a entry pass by stepping on the court to turn it over? That might have been the final straw. Unless I'm thinking of a different player. I think it was obvious the Blazers did give Bayless a chance this preseason to see if he could play the PG position and he just couldn't do it.
 
blazerboy30 said:
He's already a better man-to-man defender.
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What exactly is this statement based on other then familiarity breeding contempt?

Williams didn't play in Summer League and was absolutely terrible when he played in preseason.

I am more curious then anything else.

Or perhaps you are thinking of Armon Johnson?
 
Natebishop3 said:
I guess I'm not being clear either... I don't have any problem with Bayless being traded. Hell, I think I've tossed him in 90% of my trade proposals. I've always thought of him as a sweetener. I just feel like we didn't get very much for a guy that I personally think had a lot of upside. I don't think Jerryd fit our future plans. I even expected him to be traded after he was publicly moved to the third string. I just didn't think we would be getting a conditional first round pick for him. It just seems very rush, which is in stark contrast to how the whole Rudy situation is being handled. Were they worried about Jerryd causing problems in the locker room? Who knows. I just wish we had held onto him as a sweetener, or found something that actually improved our team. Right now I really don't see a backup point guard on this team, unless Johnson can handle it.
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The problem with that statement is that he is only sweetener to teams that want him. But, by trading him for a first round pick, even if it is conditional, he actually turned into sweetener that every team would want. This trade actually makes it much easier to make a future trade if a good PG comes available. The Blazers have plenty of low salary players that can be plugged in to make some trade work, but now the Blazers can add two 2011 draft picks, which especially means a lot to teams that are trying to rebuild. This is important since the most likely teams to be trading away a good PG are ones that are are blowing up their team to rebuild. For example, if Denver trades Melo they will most likely also blow up their team and try and build for the future, looking to trade an older player like Billups to bolster their future.
 
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