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So where exactly does this leave the team on roster spots. Did they sign Hoard? Do they still have a roster spot available?
 
Does this mean we're ready for nurkic to return?
 
Neil O. Shyster said:
I used to dislike Canzano, but in today’s Neil Olshey state run media era, he is actually a breath of fresh air... at least someone in the media isn’t afraid to publicly hold Neil accountable.
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you're doing a bang up job with your screen name.
 
Neil O. Shyster said:
I used to dislike Canzano, but in today’s Neil Olshey state run media era, he is actually a breath of fresh air... at least someone in the media isn’t afraid to publicly hold Neil accountable.
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Dude he speaking 10000% realtalk. The quote

"Too many injuries, sure. Probably wouldn’t have mattered anyway, maybe.
That’s the cover Olshey will use when it comes to explaining what went wrong in 2019-20."

had me Ding haha, i can already see Neil sitting at the Press conference and talking hours about Injurys and bla bla bla, he wont even mention Stotts' bad coaching and the garbage defense
 
https://www.nbcsports.com/northwest...vor-ariza-trade?amp&__twitter_impression=true

Trail Blazer fans: You need to know there's an Easter egg in that Trevor Ariza trade

I've never considered myself an NBA salary cap expert. It's gotten too complicated these days and frankly, things like that don't interest me too much. So I leave it to the experts.

But Tom Ziller IS an expert and he's opened my eyes to the Easter egg in the Trevor Ariza trade that's waiting for the Trail Blazers:

All of these contracts expire this summer, with the exception of Ariza: he’s due $12.8 million next season, with a wrinkle. Bazemore makes much more (he’s a Free Agent Class of 2016 alum), and this deal significantly cuts Portland’s tax bill, apparently saving the Blazers $16 million. The Kings did the Blazers an enormous favor here at little cost to them, except giving up onSwanigan and Gabriel, who had been spending much of their recent time in the G League for the Stockton Kings.

The wrinkle on Ariza’s deal is that he’s only guaranteed $1.8 million of his $12.8 million contract next season. If he doesn’t help the Blazers, they can waive him and escape most of salary cap hit. Bazemore’s contract is expiring; Ariza’s might as well be. That $1.8 million would count against the salary cap and potential luxury tax for Portland next season, but the current season savings and theoretical better roster fit counter that. (Plus, there’s a decent chance Portland could unload one of Swanigan or Gabriel before the deadline to further lower the luxury tax hit.)

But Ariza’s mostly unguaranteed 2020-21 salary is interesting for another reason: it makes him a fascinating trade chip as fake salary filler, especially in the time around the NBA draft. The Blazers will be able to use Ariza in a trade to match salaries as if he’s a player making $12.8 million. The team that trades for him in such a deal can then waive him before next season — we don’t know the exact non-guarantee deadline, but these things are often in June and typically negotiable with the player — to cut salary.


There are plenty of positives in this deal and not all of them are obvious. I like the "fake salary filler" gambit the best. More from Ziller:

We don’t know that the Blazers are big game hunting as this season has been shredded by injuries to Nurkic and Zach Collins, and the ownership situation is somewhat unsettled in the wake of Paul Allen’s death. Allen would consistently spend to make the team better. We don’t yet know if that will continue.

If it does, and if Portland elects to make a major splash in the next couple of weeks or this summer, Ariza’s contract could really help make the numbers work. If nothing comes to pass, the Ariza trade saves the Blazers a substantial sum of money. And if all that’s not enough, there’s a chance — not a big one, but a chance — that Ariza helps Portland in the right ways to take hold of the up-for-grabs No. 8 seed in the West.
 
Labinot41 said:
https://www.nbcsports.com/northwest...vor-ariza-trade?amp&__twitter_impression=true

Trail Blazer fans: You need to know there's an Easter egg in that Trevor Ariza trade

I've never considered myself an NBA salary cap expert. It's gotten too complicated these days and frankly, things like that don't interest me too much. So I leave it to the experts.

But Tom Ziller IS an expert and he's opened my eyes to the Easter egg in the Trevor Ariza trade that's waiting for the Trail Blazers:

All of these contracts expire this summer, with the exception of Ariza: he’s due $12.8 million next season, with a wrinkle. Bazemore makes much more (he’s a Free Agent Class of 2016 alum), and this deal significantly cuts Portland’s tax bill, apparently saving the Blazers $16 million. The Kings did the Blazers an enormous favor here at little cost to them, except giving up onSwanigan and Gabriel, who had been spending much of their recent time in the G League for the Stockton Kings.

The wrinkle on Ariza’s deal is that he’s only guaranteed $1.8 million of his $12.8 million contract next season. If he doesn’t help the Blazers, they can waive him and escape most of salary cap hit. Bazemore’s contract is expiring; Ariza’s might as well be. That $1.8 million would count against the salary cap and potential luxury tax for Portland next season, but the current season savings and theoretical better roster fit counter that. (Plus, there’s a decent chance Portland could unload one of Swanigan or Gabriel before the deadline to further lower the luxury tax hit.)

But Ariza’s mostly unguaranteed 2020-21 salary is interesting for another reason: it makes him a fascinating trade chip as fake salary filler, especially in the time around the NBA draft. The Blazers will be able to use Ariza in a trade to match salaries as if he’s a player making $12.8 million. The team that trades for him in such a deal can then waive him before next season — we don’t know the exact non-guarantee deadline, but these things are often in June and typically negotiable with the player — to cut salary.


There are plenty of positives in this deal and not all of them are obvious. I like the "fake salary filler" gambit the best. More from Ziller:

We don’t know that the Blazers are big game hunting as this season has been shredded by injuries to Nurkic and Zach Collins, and the ownership situation is somewhat unsettled in the wake of Paul Allen’s death. Allen would consistently spend to make the team better. We don’t yet know if that will continue.

If it does, and if Portland elects to make a major splash in the next couple of weeks or this summer, Ariza’s contract could really help make the numbers work. If nothing comes to pass, the Ariza trade saves the Blazers a substantial sum of money. And if all that’s not enough, there’s a chance — not a big one, but a chance — that Ariza helps Portland in the right ways to take hold of the up-for-grabs No. 8 seed in the West.
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Whoever wrote this article is wrong. You can't trade contracts like that anymore.

It drives me crazy that people get paid to do this stuff for a living and don't understand what they're writing.
 
Labinot41 said:
Dude he speaking 10000% realtalk. The quote

"Too many injuries, sure. Probably wouldn’t have mattered anyway, maybe.
That’s the cover Olshey will use when it comes to explaining what went wrong in 2019-20."

had me Ding haha, i can already see Neil sitting at the Press conference and talking hours about Injurys and bla bla bla, he wont even mention Stotts' bad coaching and the garbage defense
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These are exactly the things JC does. It's not a cover. It's fact. There are too many injuries. It probably would not have mattered a bunch as without the injuries they still would not have won a championship as constructed. Neil Olshey tried to make some moves and they didn't pan out.
The one thing though that seems to get lost is without the injuries to Collins and Hood and Skal and now CJ and If they would have actually gotten Gasol for some time the Blazers quite possibly would have 4-5 maybe even 6 more wins at this point. With 6 more wins they are 24-20. How would you feel right now with that record and Nurk coming back? They would be sitting in a battle for the 6th spot and maybe even the 5th beings some of those wins would be against the Thunder, Rockets, and Mavs. Not only that but at this point of the season they have played more road games than any team in the league.
Neil Olshey and also Stotts do not need a "Cover", but JC likes to make it sound seedy and wants to make the GM sound like he isn't genuine in his responses. He gets clicks that way.
 
My take is that the front office is conceding the season. Baze never was a fit. Tolliver's career is winding down.

They got what they could. Ariza's meh but probably a better fit here than Baze; his contract situation makes him more of an asset than his play. Gabriel's a lottery ticket who could be a beggar's Pascal Siakam but more likely will be playing somewhere overseas in a couple of years.

Figure they'll get whatever they can for Hezonja. Wondering if they'll try to deal Hassan.

Not a total loss of a trade, but seemed to be a cost-cutting measure because they don't see this team going anywhere this season.
 
hoopsjock said:
Whoever wrote this article is wrong. You can't trade contracts like that anymore.

It drives me crazy that people get paid to do this stuff for a living and don't understand what they're writing.
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He has a disclaimer on it. He says "The team that trades for him in such a deal can then waive him before next season — we don’t know the exact non-guarantee deadline, but these things are often in June and typically negotiable with the player — to cut salary.

So would that not be technically correct?
 
BigGameDamian said:
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Okay, as posted prior I am not a huge fan of this trade but how can anyone possibly take that they're giving up on the season from this move?

If Ariza does anything it would be better than what Bazemore had done. Ariza also fits better because he won't try to play out of his skillset like Baze was doing.
 
kjironman1 said:
He has a disclaimer on it. He says "The team that trades for him in such a deal can then waive him before next season — we don’t know the exact non-guarantee deadline, but these things are often in June and typically negotiable with the player — to cut salary.

So would that not be technically correct?
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Nope, still wrong. It used to be that way until two years ago when the NBA changed the rule to prevent this type of cap circumvention.
 
hoopsjock said:
Okay, as posted prior I am not a huge fan of this trade but how can anyone possibly take that they're giving up on the season from this move?
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If that's directed at me, I'd say it's an educated hunch, because you are trading a starter and a rotation guy while you are theoretically still in the hunt for a playoff spot and getting back possibly one rotation guy whose career seems to be on its last legs. Oh, and he has an interesting salary. And it cut costs.

All those are moves that a team that's looking to build for the future does.
 
PCmor7 said:
My take is that the front office is conceding the season. Baze never was a fit. Tolliver's career is winding down.

They got what they could. Ariza's meh but probably a better fit here than Baze; his contract situation makes him more of an asset than his play. Gabriel's a lottery ticket who could be a beggar's Pascal Siakam but more likely will be playing somewhere overseas in a couple of years.

Figure they'll get whatever they can for Hezonja. Wondering if they'll try to deal Hassan.

Not a total loss of a trade, but seemed to be a cost-cutting measure because they don't see this team going anywhere this season.
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So they cut cost and get a better fit than Baze but that means they are giving up?

If they got a better fit wouldn't that mean they aren't giving up? While also saving money...
 
PCmor7 said:
If that's directed at me, I'd say it's an educated hunch, because you are trading a starter and a rotation guy while you are theoretically still in the hunt for a playoff spot and getting back possibly one rotation guy whose career seems to be on its last legs. Oh, and he has an interesting salary. And it cut costs.

All those are moves that a team that's looking to build for the future does.
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It wasn't because I hadn't read your post yet but then I did respond.
 
hoopsjock said:
Nope, still wrong. It used to be that way until two years ago when the NBA changed the rule to prevent this type of cap circumvention.
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and who knows maybe Biggie can get a few boards each game.
 
Labinot41 said:
https://www.nbcsports.com/northwest...vor-ariza-trade?amp&__twitter_impression=true

Trail Blazer fans: You need to know there's an Easter egg in that Trevor Ariza trade

I've never considered myself an NBA salary cap expert. It's gotten too complicated these days and frankly, things like that don't interest me too much. So I leave it to the experts.

But Tom Ziller IS an expert and he's opened my eyes to the Easter egg in the Trevor Ariza trade that's waiting for the Trail Blazers:

All of these contracts expire this summer, with the exception of Ariza: he’s due $12.8 million next season, with a wrinkle. Bazemore makes much more (he’s a Free Agent Class of 2016 alum), and this deal significantly cuts Portland’s tax bill, apparently saving the Blazers $16 million. The Kings did the Blazers an enormous favor here at little cost to them, except giving up onSwanigan and Gabriel, who had been spending much of their recent time in the G League for the Stockton Kings.

The wrinkle on Ariza’s deal is that he’s only guaranteed $1.8 million of his $12.8 million contract next season. If he doesn’t help the Blazers, they can waive him and escape most of salary cap hit. Bazemore’s contract is expiring; Ariza’s might as well be. That $1.8 million would count against the salary cap and potential luxury tax for Portland next season, but the current season savings and theoretical better roster fit counter that. (Plus, there’s a decent chance Portland could unload one of Swanigan or Gabriel before the deadline to further lower the luxury tax hit.)

But Ariza’s mostly unguaranteed 2020-21 salary is interesting for another reason: it makes him a fascinating trade chip as fake salary filler, especially in the time around the NBA draft. The Blazers will be able to use Ariza in a trade to match salaries as if he’s a player making $12.8 million. The team that trades for him in such a deal can then waive him before next season — we don’t know the exact non-guarantee deadline, but these things are often in June and typically negotiable with the player — to cut salary.


There are plenty of positives in this deal and not all of them are obvious. I like the "fake salary filler" gambit the best. More from Ziller:

We don’t know that the Blazers are big game hunting as this season has been shredded by injuries to Nurkic and Zach Collins, and the ownership situation is somewhat unsettled in the wake of Paul Allen’s death. Allen would consistently spend to make the team better. We don’t yet know if that will continue.

If it does, and if Portland elects to make a major splash in the next couple of weeks or this summer, Ariza’s contract could really help make the numbers work. If nothing comes to pass, the Ariza trade saves the Blazers a substantial sum of money. And if all that’s not enough, there’s a chance — not a big one, but a chance — that Ariza helps Portland in the right ways to take hold of the up-for-grabs No. 8 seed in the West.
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This might have been encouraging if we didn’t have a 5 year track record of Neil hyping up expiring contracts and then doing nothing with them.
 
We will get more from the 3 new guys than we were getting from Baze & AT, imo.
 
PCmor7 said:
My take is that the front office is conceding the season. Baze never was a fit. Tolliver's career is winding down.

They got what they could. Ariza's meh but probably a better fit here than Baze; his contract situation makes him more of an asset than his play. Gabriel's a lottery ticket who could be a beggar's Pascal Siakam but more likely will be playing somewhere overseas in a couple of years.

Figure they'll get whatever they can for Hezonja. Wondering if they'll try to deal Hassan.

Not a total loss of a trade, but seemed to be a cost-cutting measure because they don't see this team going anywhere this season.
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Exactly the way i see it.
 
hoopsjock said:
Nope, still wrong. It used to be that way until two years ago when the NBA changed the rule to prevent this type of cap circumvention.
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Link?
Not saying you are wrong at all. Just want to catch up on it? If he becomes guaranteed he is an expiring at 12 million+. I don't see how any rule can change that outside of making him "Untradeable"?
 
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